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Old 10-13-2019, 09:16 AM   #8101
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On the brighter side:

Not sure if anyone posted the meaning of the name postle, here it is:

Postle Name Meaning. English (Norfolk): nickname from a reduced form of Middle English apostel 'apostle' (Old English apostol, via Latin from Greek apostolos 'messenger', 'delegate', from apostellein 'to dispatch'). ... However, the word was also used as a personal name.
Good post. I noticed how religious/occult his name was from the getgo but just never thought to bring it up. Was wondering if anyone has ever done a background check on him to verify that he isn't some sort of career conman with multiple aliases or something.

I mean, "Michael Postle" seems like a secret identity name for a Catholic themed super hero.

Is his middle name "Christian" or "Lucius" or something like that?
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:18 AM   #8102
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https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo?t=10346

Watch the 32 hand just before the quote from scott
2:52:20 Solid proof Scott knows mike is cheating.
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I don't think you know what "proof" means, though. The commentator uses a figure of speech. He means Postle is playing as if he can see the cards. He's responding to the chatbox when someone says "Mike is the ZONE tonight."
Do you really think the commentator would openly say Mike is superusing if he truly believed that, and/or was in on it?
The commentators (particularly Veronica and Kasey) only started eye-rolling and expressing their suspicions when commentating on Postle's hands much later on. Back in Aug 2018, the commentators just thought Postle was a great player with sick reads.
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Is Scott the guy talking or the guy looking ridiculously nervous drinking water while the other guy is talking about postle seeing the cards? Oh it's the guy talking. Anyways its not proof of **** IMO, he actually mentions different hands in postle's opponents range that postle could be up against while justifying his ridiculous play.

The guy listening to the theory that postle can see cards did seem to me to appear quite nervous in those moments, but im probably imagining it.

Oh and in addition the commentator who said he could see cards? The very next hand postle has a very mediocre hand but it's like the nuts compared to his opponents actual cards (according to sklansky's basic theory folding would be a huge mistake), the announcer says "Mike has to fold, I don't see how he could continue here".

I'm fairly convinced actually that announcer does not believe postle can see cards during this point in the timeline.

Solid proof? Sure, Jan.
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What do you mean? Postle cheated in a hand while the commentator was literally telling us exactly what Postle was thinking while he was cheating and then proceeds to repeat himself over and over describing every play postle made as he was cheating. oh and then he tells the audience that he is in fact cheating! what more do you want from me?
I'm with ArtyMcFly and rakemeplz. This not only doesn't prove Scott is in on it, I think it clears him. It makes it pretty clear that Scott is not aware at this point that Mike is cheating. What -- do you think he slipped up and accidentally admitted Mike could see the cards? The way he said it, it's obvious that it was a comment he would make only if he had no such suspicions. I was certain that you must have thought Brent was Scott until I saw your last post.

When I watched it, I thought it implicated Brent if anyone because, as rakemeplz also noticed, he became nervously quiet and looking like he just wanted to move off discussion of the hand right after Scott made his comment about Mike being able to the hands.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:32 AM   #8103
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Re: Mike Postle Blue screen New pics !??

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Hi Guys !!

Sorry if this is already known but i thought i would show it just in case i guess, i also find it very funny that it reflects in his glass's.

The Full video and time stamp :
https://youtu.be/nUr3WeFDHZM?t=1646

You can see very clearly that when he brings his phone up from his lap his screen reflects in his glass's .
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...=#post55496420
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:37 AM   #8104
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I'm with ArtyMcFly and rakemeplz. This not only doesn't prove Scott is in on it, I think it clears him. It makes it pretty clear that Scott is not aware at this point that Mike is cheating. What -- do you think he slipped up and accidentally admitted Mike could see the cards? The way he said it, it's obvious that it was a comment he would make only if he had no such suspicions. I was certain that you must have thought Brent was Scott until I saw your last post.

When I watched it, I thought it implicated Brent if anyone because, as rakemeplz also noticed, he became nervously quiet and looking like he just wanted to move off discussion of the hand right after Scott made his comment about Mike being able to the hands.
exactly! the exact opposite. If Scott was in on it then he deserves an oscar too!
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:39 AM   #8105
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Not sure if anyone posted it but noticed this from Viva Frei (Lawyer) analyzing lawsuit in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4d6U2kgk8
Listening this.

Claim in that stream:
"Postle played only in stream games"

Not true at all. Postle is a professional poker player who have played long before any stream games. And still plays on and off stream. Or is there any evidence to state anything else?
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:42 AM   #8106
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Listening this.

Claim in that stream:
"Postle played only in stream games"

Not true at all. Postle is a professional poker player who have played long before any stream games. And still plays on and off stream. Or is there any evidence to state anything else?
Just people close to Mike that have said since he started appearing on stream he was very rarely playing off-stream.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:45 AM   #8107
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Just people close to Mike that have said since he started appearing on stream he was very rarely playing off-stream.
Stream have been on air like 18 months? A few times per week? Or am I off here?
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:51 AM   #8108
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

12 hours a week according to veronica
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:52 AM   #8109
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Not sure if anyone posted it but noticed this from Viva Frei (Lawyer) analyzing lawsuit in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4d6U2kgk8
very interesting thx!

plaintiffs vs postle; kings casino llc D/B/A stones ( what does it stand for?, so it is the Kings Rozvadov?)

funny is that postle is easily the best player out of the 25 plaintiffs with the best results before the aligations.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:54 AM   #8110
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Just people close to Mike that have said since he started appearing on stream he was very rarely playing off-stream.
yes, and the comentators say they stay out of mikes play when they and him played Off STREAM bc hes too good

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Old 10-13-2019, 09:57 AM   #8111
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yes he always adds on, pls dont forget how a good player always wants to cover their opponents. And these add ons can easily deduct his winrate, by half maybe more-just a quick assumption
In fact, Postle's win totals for 2018 and 2019 ARE determined including add ons. You'd know the methods used and know that if you'd taken the time for due diligence and read and listened to the methodology used to generate his estimated win rates. You'd also know that his win rates have been estimated over a range of buy-ins, and so take into consideration the size and stack depths of the Stones streams. As you clearly haven't done any reading or listening, all of your comments and hence you lack credibility.

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Old 10-13-2019, 10:11 AM   #8112
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Stream have been on air like 18 months? A few times per week? Or am I off here?
Please disregard if you are just asking about Mike's timeline on the stream, but Veronica said on Doug Polk's interview with her that the stream started at the end of 2014 or beginning of 2015.

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Old 10-13-2019, 10:15 AM   #8113
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Re: Mike Postle Blue screen New pics !??

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Hi Guys !!

Sorry if this is already known but i thought i would show it just in case i guess, i also find it very funny that it reflects in his glass's.

The Full video and time stamp :
https://youtu.be/nUr3WeFDHZM?t=1646

You can see very clearly that when he brings his phone up from his lap his screen reflects in his glass's .
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You can see his phone reflect in his Glasses , looks like a blue screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3...outu.be&t=1646
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Nice. I think this is a new find for the thread, and I'm surprised that 001001's AI algorithm hadn't found it yet, because the reflection is shown for a few seconds. The screen doesn't look quite as fully blue as in a previous find, but it's very clear that Postle is going to great lengths to hide his screen while he's eating.
Not this **** again... His glasses are blue and you can even see Harlan looking at Mike's phone (27:40 to 27:47).
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:15 AM   #8114
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Not sure if anyone posted it but noticed this from Viva Frei (Lawyer) analyzing lawsuit in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4d6U2kgk8
One issue I thought kind of funny... If the Stones Live lawyer who is leading their investigation into this matter actually finds Stones Live negligent than he can probably not release that information using the attorney/client privilige reasoning, .
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:19 AM   #8115
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The villain of the murder trial turned out to be Mark Fuhrman - whatever happened to him? Could you ever have imagined him having any kind of life after the trial?
Other than all the books (five maybe six), talk shows (including his own) & TV appearances as an analyst...dunno...all that money must suck, I guess.

It's not how many times you get knocked down that matters; it's how many times you get up. Somebody famous said sumink like that once.

Apologies for the thread drift, I'll get my coat.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:24 AM   #8116
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Good post. I noticed how religious/occult his name was from the getgo but just never thought to bring it up. Was wondering if anyone has ever done a background check on him to verify that he isn't some sort of career conman with multiple aliases or something.

I mean, "Michael Postle" seems like a secret identity name for a Catholic themed super hero.

Is his middle name "Christian" or "Lucius" or something like that?
I see a trend now...Christian is the name of another cheater- Christian Lusardi - the Borgata chip counterfeiter.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:24 AM   #8117
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watch from 2:38-3:30
Bernie Madoff whistleblower sounds like hes talking about Mike Postle

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Old 10-13-2019, 10:41 AM   #8118
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I am sure the law firm involved will employ people to do it manually. Would take forever, though. I think the poker stream software keeps logs, so when they get those in discovery, they will get to work.

Well there you have it, all hands are stored in permanent DB, I was worried theyd only store it for a single session. CSV can be turned into an excel spreadsheet or consumed by a program.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:44 AM   #8119
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One issue I thought kind of funny... If the Stones Live lawyer who is leading their investigation into this matter actually finds Stones Live negligent than he can probably not release that information using the attorney/client privilige reasoning, .
Not really. The attorney was hired for a non-legal role/task: privilege doesn't apply. In any event, he was hired to investigate and (most likely) produce a report on the findings. The report belongs to Stones, they will have absolute discretion whether to release the report or not. Given how Stones publicly announced the investigation, it would be silly not to release it when it's completed. In fact; even if there is the smallest sliver of evidence of illegal activity they will probably forward it to law enforcement.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:44 AM   #8120
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Well there you have it, all hands are stored in permanent DB, I was worried theyd only store it for a single session. CSV can be turned into an excel spreadsheet or consumed by a program.
Those files are not at all to be trusted.

Happens all the time in live streams that all in situation player have like 30% bigger stack that what is shown in screen.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:11 AM   #8121
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Those files are not at all to be trusted.

Happens all the time in live streams that all in situation player have like 30% bigger stack that what is shown in screen.
Results that can be trusted are all of Mike Postles bet sizes, calling sizes, actual chip stack sizes, actual hands (except the 98 spades hand lol) by looking at the video. And those of us that see how blatent his cheating can see that. Those files do provide a rough estimate. Sometimes graphics show less chips than what Mike or other players have as well, or in other words 30% less than what he actually has so it works both ways.

Maybe im slightly off here but it seems the last couple pages are being derailed by posters who are insisting that “if we dont know the exact actual amount that he won then he must be innocent”.

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Old 10-13-2019, 11:20 AM   #8122
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Those files are not at all to be trusted.

Happens all the time in live streams that all in situation player have like 30% bigger stack that what is shown in screen.
What if I told you that the exact win rate doesn't matter?

a) The dramatic change in behavior July 18th that coincided with a dramatic change in results.

b) Numerous occasions where Postle prompted other players to rescan their cards as if he knew the live feed had not picked them up.

c) The visible frustration of the PLO hand were the live feed was only picking up two cards.

d) The changing of the cards hand. How did anyone know the cards of mucked unseen hand were wrong in the middle of the hand?

e) The ability to shove when the opponent was weak, fold when strong time after time after time never getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

f) Almost identical hands played completely differently when the opponent was strong versus when they were weak. Example after Example. Never wrong.

g) The strange staring at the crotch, phone off the table behaviors, never exhibited in previous losing sessions.

h) The booth interview where he seemingly knows when and where the live stream cut off and came back on.

Notice not one single bit of these pieces of evidence have the slightest thing to do with exactly how much he won, how often he reloaded, did he rebuy, how much he added on, how much is exact win rate was, or if he tipped the waitress or not.

Doing all of the above, it doesn't even matter if he lost money overall, it doesn't matter what his exact to 6 decimal places win rate was, these all indicate that he was aware of the live stream in real time. He cheated.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:21 AM   #8123
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Maybe im slightly off here but it seems the last couple pages are being derailed by posters who are insisting that “if we dont know the exact actual amount that he won then he must be innocent”.
My main point is that it is not at all that uncommon even for breakeven player to have results Postle have. Ok over all stakes probability for such results are higher if you are at least somewhat winning player. And that who claim otherwise either do not understand game they are playing, or don't understand statistics.

I have master's degree from theoretical physics, so could be easily be my bias that I don't understand how mathematically illiterate most people even in poker are.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:25 AM   #8124
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My main point is that it is not at all uncommon even for breakeven player to have results Postle have.
Show me a breakeven player to have Postle results. Just one. Thanks. Should be easy since it is not at all uncommon.

Oh, wait. His results don't matter. He cheated. Whether he actually won or lost in total doesn't matter. He cheated.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:28 AM   #8125
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Sure it plays bigger than most 5/5 game bc those are capped while this is table max. It doesn't change the fact that he is winning at rates that are statistically alarming.

total winnings at NLHE: $305236.8
Hrs Played: 338.4
Total hands played: 338.5 * 30 = 10,155
Number of times he played 100 hands: 10155 / 100 = 101.55

Winrate at 5/5
Total winnings in BBs ($5): $305236.8 / 5 = 61047.36BB
61047.36 / 101.55 = 601BB/100 hands (winrate at 5/5)

Winrate at 10/20
Total winnings in BBs ($20): $305236.8 / 20 = 15261.84BB
15261.84 / 101.55 = 150BB/100 hands (winrate at 10/20)


Winrate at 20/40
Total winnings in BBs ($40): $305236.8 / 40 = 7630.92BB
7630.92 / 101.55 = 75BB/100 hands (winrate at 20/40)

Even giving him a generous 30 hands per hour and playing on a 20/40 game which is 8x a bigger BB, he is winning at 75BBs per 100 hands. Which is still an insane winrate.


1 – 4 bb/100 = Great. A solid winrate if you can sustain it.
5 – 9 bb/100 = Amazing. This is a very high winrate at any level. Consider moving up.
10+ bb/100 = Immense. Very, very few have a winrate like this.
I have redone the win rates at $125k, all the way from 5/5 to 100/200 where he becomes a mere mortal good reg with 6bb/100 hands.

It's obsurd to suggest he isn't cheating by debating how much he stole. With his playing style, you can not be a winning player, reach or exceed 10bb/100, let alone win a godly 94% of your sessions over such a long period. Using the fact that addons are unaccounted for to debate how much money the plaintiffs should be awarded is another story. But maybe that might be better left to VerStandig and his team, since they have access to discovery that we do not. If that info is somehow made public, we could use that data to help further.

Winrate at 5/5
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 5 = 25000 bb
25000 / 101.55 = 246 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 5/10
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 10 = 12500 bb
12500 / 101.55 = 123 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 10/20
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 20 = 6250 bb
6250 / 101.55 = 61.54 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 20/40
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 40 = 3125 bb
3125 / 101.55 = 30.77 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 25/50
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 50 = 2500 bb
2500 / 101.55 = 24.62 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 40/80
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 80 = 1562.5 bb
1562.5 / 101.55 = 15.4 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 50/100
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 100 = 1250 bb
1250 / 101.55 = 12.3 bb/100 hands

Winrate at 100/200
Total winnings in bbs: $125000 / 200 = 625 bb
625 / 101.55 = 6.15 bb/100 hands
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