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Old 10-13-2019, 02:27 AM   #8026
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I’m feeling charitable tonight

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Old 10-13-2019, 02:34 AM   #8027
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I saw a post that said JFK is not in on it. He does not have the technical know how, That it might be a production guy instead. It might be, but JFK an employee has some issues along with Mike P.

JFK and Mike P worked on a project together. Proven

JFK and Mike P worked on some type of Poker Stream together. Proven

JFK and Mike P know each other socially. Proven

JFK and Mike P are friends. Proven

JFK and Mike P are familiar with the Poker Streaming Process including software. Proven

JFK is and employee of the Casino and responsible for the game and providing a safe and fair game within the laws of California. Proven

JFK and the General Manager were watching the Live Stream without delay. This has been repeated by several people, so we will say. Proven

This also looks bad, because it shows that JFK and Mike P (and other people/players know that the live information (without delay) can be accessed from the GFX PC.) So, having one more person accessing it, might not be too difficult. This also looks bad for JFK and the casino - because the setup and configuration they are using is not secure, which shows negligence. And - why are they even watching the live undelayed stream anyway? This makes the JFK and Casino defense weaker. They knew the Live data could be accessed one way or another.


The Poker Software GFX - It does not take a highly skilled person to give out an IP address and Password for software they are familiar with.
The software itself has a tab like setting named Streaming. It is not hard to find. People being investigated (JFK and other Casino Staff) have access to the equipment and can set it up for others to view it without delay. Proven

If JFK is not in on it, then he is equally incompetent in job and did not provide a safe gaming environment. Proven.

JFK was told by Veronica 2.0 that Mike P might be cheating (this is the first time in Julyish). (might be considered hearsay - but other players have said the same thing to JFK - so we might be able to say substantiated) and because of a tweet - JFK confirmed an investigation occurred.

JFK told Veronica he did an investigation and found no cheating. Proven - because he tweeted that.

JFK will now have to produce documentation, reports, etc. that an investigation occurred. (If he really did one) This is going to be damaging to the Casino and JFK, they will have to prove an investigation occurred, prove who did the investigation, prove what was looked at and how they said the investigation found nothing. It will be interesting to note if the investigation indicated that JFK and the General Manager where able to view the Live stream without delay. If the report does not mention that fact, then the investigation is not complete and it is inaccurate, which proves negligence again.

Either way - if they did or did not do the investigation - it is likely the plaintiffs can make it look like cheating occurred. This could make them liable. it makes his case weaker.

JFK told Veronica 2.0 that Mike P was on a downswing 20 - 25 k, this is hearsay, but if he told other players the same thing when they asked or discussed Mikes play and win rate - and it is proven that Mike P did not go on a down swing, this is damning to JFK. If he is lying - it makes his case weaker.

Mike P said on a pod cast, he is the most winning player on UltimateBet, I suspect this can be proven to be a lie. If he is lying - it makes his case weaker.

Mike P said he has a medical condition of Blood Clots - this can be proven, medical records. If he is lying - it makes his case weaker.

Mike P said he was watching the Live stream on the phone tucked in his crotch. This can be proven, pull the internet traffic data records from the streaming services he claimed he was using.

Also pull the data records from the ISP's (which are required to stored) this will display what he viewed and when. They can even track his cell phone, and identify his WiFi Chip number, mas address, etc. This can be proven. If he is lying - it will make his case weaker.

It was mentioned that Mike P may have destroyed his phone - this is hearsay, but if they subpoena the cell phone/mobile device and Mike P says he got rid of it, no matter what his reason, this will be damaging to Mike P and make his case weaker. (why get rid of it - it could prove your innocence)

I do not remember all the public statements Mike P made on the pod cast - but go to each one and prove them right or wrong. All the ones that are proven lies, will make his case weaker.

The Same for JFK.

Just the few items outlined above do not prove cheating, they do not prove guilt or innocence, but the lies that will be discovered will weaken their case tremendously and that is how you prove your case, by building a case. A defense built on lies will not stand. The judge or jury will be influenced by the lies. If they are proven to be liars, especially about each other, then this cheating "thing" and them "not cheating" - they could be lying about that too.
great post

if it's just a lawsuit and not a criminal investigation then the plaintiffs won't be able to get a lot of this ie ISPs and I'm not even sure if an actual prosecution would be allowed access to his medical records

not a lawyer obviously, but just some thoughts - otherwise this is very well thought out
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:34 AM   #8028
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https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo?t=10346

Watch the 32 hand just before the quote from scott
2:52:20 Solid proof Scott knows mike is cheating.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:39 AM   #8029
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You don’t understand the relationship between contract and fraud.

Think and/or study a little more, and then get back to me.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But you are the one that brought up "poker is a contract and cheating is violating that contract." Violating a contract is a breach of contract, not necessarily fraud.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:41 AM   #8030
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I know it might be too much to take on but I know that I will get as close to right doing it as possible.

I'm going to focus on by hand - how much won/lost total - total re-buys/add-ons


There has to be a way to crowd source this.

Is there a piece of software available that would allow someone to watch a stream and re-construct each hand in a format that would transcribe a hand history?

I’d be willing to transcribe an episode, I’m sure others would as well if we could agree on a consistent method, hopefully one that gave a hand history after.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:55 AM   #8031
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Sorry if this is already known but i thought i would show it just in case i guess, i also find it very funny that it reflects in his glass's.
The Full video and time stamp :
https://youtu.be/nUr3WeFDHZM?t=1646
Nice. I think this is a new find for the thread, and I'm surprised that 001001's AI algorithm hadn't found it yet, because the reflection is shown for a few seconds. The screen doesn't look quite as fully blue as in a previous find, but it's very clear that Postle is going to great lengths to hide his screen while he's eating.

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https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo?t=10346
Watch the 32 hand just before the quote from scott
2:52:20 Solid proof Scott knows mike is cheating.
OK, god mode appears to be on for the 32o as well as Q8s. I've updated my notes. Thanks.
I don't think you know what "proof" means, though. The commentator uses a figure of speech. He means Postle is playing as if he can see the cards. He's responding to the chatbox when someone says "Mike is the ZONE tonight."
Do you really think the commentator would openly say Mike is superusing if he truly believed that, and/or was in on it?
The commentators (particularly Veronica and Kasey) only started eye-rolling and expressing their suspicions when commentating on Postle's hands much later on. Back in Aug 2018, the commentators just thought Postle was a great player with sick reads.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:55 AM   #8032
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Well, neither of you are Postle supporters, neither of you are new accounts, no posts from either of you were quoted, and his post followed neither of yours, so I have no idea why you'd think he was referring to either of you. I know you enjoy a good argument, but you don't have to go out seeking them, do you?

Just to add - this is a pretty busy thread, so general comments are sometimes made in response to things that happened twenty, fifty, even a couple hundred posts prior.
He was obviously referring to the RichardNaugan account who made a good point about buy-ins and I was just pointing out that some older accounts agreed with the points he was making. So saying it's just a bunch of new accounts arguing for Postle seems disingenuous. I'm just focused on the truth of the matter and the buy-ins and trying to figure out the accurate amount that Postle cheated. It wasn't 350k.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:58 AM   #8033
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

My favorite part of all this is that MP is going to have to get a real job after all this. He recently said his only income for 15 years was poker. Good luck getting a job, Mike!
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:14 AM   #8034
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My favorite part of all this is that MP is going to have to get a real job after all this. He recently said his only income for 15 years was poker. Good luck getting a job, Mike!
He’s gonna need a name change before he can get any respectable job. A quick google search will show he’s a cheat

He probably won’t be able to get a job doing shady stuff either cuz his potential Boss will see what a dumb ass he is being so bad at cheating he got caught on camera
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:16 AM   #8035
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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There has to be a way to crowd source this.

Is there a piece of software available that would allow someone to watch a stream and re-construct each hand in a format that would transcribe a hand history?

I’d be willing to transcribe an episode, I’m sure others would as well if we could agree on a consistent method, hopefully one that gave a hand history after.
It is fraud. You are playing under the assumption that the other players aren't cheating. When they are cheating and obtain money from you under the premise they aren't cheating, that's fraud.
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:16 AM   #8036
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo?t=10346

Watch the 32 hand just before the quote from scott
2:52:20 Solid proof Scott knows mike is cheating.
Is Scott the guy talking or the guy looking ridiculously nervous drinking water while the other guy is talking about postle seeing the cards? Oh it's the guy talking. Anyways its not proof of **** IMO, he actually mentions different hands in postle's opponents range that postle could be up against while justifying his ridiculous play.

The guy listening to the theory that postle can see cards did seem to me to appear quite nervous in those moments, but im probably imagining it.

Oh and in addition the commentator who said he could see cards? The very next hand postle has a very mediocre hand but it's like the nuts compared to his opponents actual cards (according to sklansky's basic theory folding would be a huge mistake), the announcer says "Mike has to fold, I don't see how he could continue here".

I'm fairly convinced actually that announcer does not believe postle can see cards during this point in the timeline.

Solid proof? Sure, Jan.

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Old 10-13-2019, 03:17 AM   #8037
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There has to be a way to crowd source this.

Is there a piece of software available that would allow someone to watch a stream and re-construct each hand in a format that would transcribe a hand history?

I’d be willing to transcribe an episode, I’m sure others would as well if we could agree on a consistent method, hopefully one that gave a hand history after.
I am sure the law firm involved will employ people to do it manually. Would take forever, though. I think the poker stream software keeps logs, so when they get those in discovery, they will get to work.

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Old 10-13-2019, 03:22 AM   #8038
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Andrew Postle​: "my brother gets paid off when he is bluffing people think has something and when he has something people think he is bluffing lol"

Sure, Jan.

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Old 10-13-2019, 03:24 AM   #8039
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)



Everyone keeps quoting this image but he holds it close to the chest while eating, camera cuts away for ~2 seconds then he shows the guy next to him whatever is on the screen...

Doesn't seem like he could switch that quickly to a second app and show something that the guy would genuinely be interested in.
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:25 AM   #8040
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Whats that on mikes phone?

https://youtu.be/ed90Z6vSVwk?t=7700



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Old 10-13-2019, 03:34 AM   #8041
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Is Scott the guy talking or the guy looking ridiculously nervous drinking water while the other guy is talking about postle seeing the cards? Oh it's the guy talking. Anyways its not proof of **** IMO, he actually mentions different hands in postle's opponents range that postle could be up against while justifying his ridiculous play.

The guy listening to the theory that postle can see cards did seem to me to appear quite nervous in those moments, but im probably imagining it.

Oh and in addition the commentator who said he could see cards? The very next hand postle has a very mediocre hand but it's like the nuts compared to his opponents actual cards (according to sklansky's basic theory folding would be a huge mistake), the announcer says "Mike has to fold, I don't see how he could continue here".

I'm fairly convinced actually that announcer does not believe postle can see cards during this point in the timeline.
What do you mean? Postle cheated in a hand while the commentator was literally telling us exactly what Postle was thinking while he was cheating and then proceeds to repeat himself over and over describing every play postle made as he was cheating. oh and then he tells the audience that he is in fact cheating! what more do you want from me?
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:50 AM   #8042
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Isn't it a false pretense to trick people into thinking they are playing in a fair game when the opposite is true?
Did he represent that it was a fair game? I don't see how entering a game represents to the other players that you won't cheat. One might make an argument that you are representing that to the casino, but since you don't sign TOS or make a verbal declaration of any kind, this doesn't seem to me to be fraud.

Not under the law.

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It is fraud. You are playing under the assumption that the other players aren't cheating. When they are cheating and obtain money from you under the premise they aren't cheating, that's fraud.
Are there rules posted in Stones casino, or any casino, laying out the rules, and posted in a way that gives legal notice players are responsible for adhering to them?

Does cheating mean I can't deceive other players?

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Old 10-13-2019, 04:00 AM   #8043
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I think players jumped the gun when getting into the class action lawsuit and it seems like the lawyers acted too quick before getting the proper evidence. I hope a few players decided to stay out of the class action lawsuit, they have a much better chance.

What what the rush into filing this lawsuit, other than they lawyers wanting to make sure they got as many of the players under them as they can?
Am I right in saying that the legal folks are taking 46% of the funds that get awarded? If so, then that is their rush to get as much money as possible for themselves before others jump in on the legal action and tie up those making a case against Postle.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:01 AM   #8044
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Did he represent that it was a fair game?
By playing he is representing that he is playing fairly.

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

Explain how what he did doesn’t match the definition of fraud. He is deceiving everyone at the table for financial gain. It’s black and white.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:04 AM   #8045
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By playing he is representing that he is playing fairly.

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

Explain how what he did doesn’t match the definition of fraud. He is deceiving everyone at the table for financial gain. It’s black and white.
The lawyer suing MP and Stones said the same thing.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:13 AM   #8046
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By playing he is representing that he is playing fairly.

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

Explain how what he did doesn’t match the definition of fraud. He is deceiving everyone at the table for financial gain. It’s black and white.
Is not saying anything when you're not required to say anything a deception? I don't think so. But if you think so than I guess to you it is fraud. Now; is not saying anything when you're not required to say anything a fraud from a criminal law perspective? I guess we can all debate that one to death. That said; I think it is a stretch (legally) in concluding that someone that sits down to play cards is making any representation other than that individual wants to play cards, even if the other players at the table have the assumption that all players are honest. Unfortunately; a person is not bound by the assumptions of others, even if it is the majority or vast majority assumption.

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Old 10-13-2019, 04:19 AM   #8047
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He was obviously referring to the RichardNaugan account who made a good point about buy-ins and I was just pointing out that some older accounts agreed with the points he was making. So saying it's just a bunch of new accounts arguing for Postle seems disingenuous. I'm just focused on the truth of the matter and the buy-ins and trying to figure out the accurate amount that Postle cheated. It wasn't 350k.
Rick, I had been going through the thread again and noticed how new accounts turned up, supported Postle then left. I wasn't referring to one account in particular or even the add on argument.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:19 AM   #8048
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The lawyer suing MP and Stones said the same thing.
My niece told me the other day the moon is made out of cheese, which was then verified by my niece's friend. All kidding aside; just because a lawyer claims something in a civil suit doesn't necessarily make it so. In fact; some lawyers have been known to include claims in lawsuits that they in fact know will have very little chance of success for various reasons: sounds good, take a shot, potential free-roll, etc. I'm not saying that is what is happening in this case: but I think you get the point. Sometimes "the law" isn't necessarily "if this than that."

Granted I have completely read over the filing; if I was to take an educated guess, the inclusion of fraud is possibly more aimed at Stones than MP. I suspect they are alleging that Stones was potentially in on it (I'm speculating here); if that were to be true, then there is certainly a fraud element as it relates to Stones and the duty of care they have to the players on their live stream (and players in their casino, generally). Obviously if Stones was in on it that could constitute defrauding the players.

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Old 10-13-2019, 04:48 AM   #8049
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The new "theory" that Mike has a **********/camgirl anal-vibrator inserted and is getting buzzing warnings is the best.

In tonight's stream with Joey there's like 7 instances where Postle just does this weird shaking and eye rolling and grimacing and rearranges in his seat all at once like someone anally buzzed him. LOL

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Old 10-13-2019, 04:55 AM   #8050
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He’s gonna need a name change before he can get any respectable job. A quick google search will show he’s a cheat

He probably won’t be able to get a job doing shady stuff either cuz his potential Boss will see what a dumb ass he is being so bad at cheating he got caught on camera
Mikes going to be spinning signs for lumber liquidators within the next few months.
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