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Old 10-12-2019, 10:05 PM   #7976
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Watching the stream you mention back on December 23 2018 and you bring up a very good point.

The rebuys are certainly off for that session so far. I think the only way I can figure this out is if I go through every single minute of every single session myself.
Episode #11 Tonight ?
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:15 PM   #7977
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Watching the stream you mention back on December 23 2018 and you bring up a very good point.

The rebuys are certainly off for that session so far. I think the only way I can figure this out is if I go through every single minute of every single session myself.
{quote} {from poster wild card}

Found this clip that seems really relevant to the whole topic of the thread. Worth a look.

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12547

3:29:07 JFK reads out youtube comment question: "How can people be assured that live stream games arn't rigged?"

JFK (explaining how he thinks it's not rigged): "It's on a 30 min delay, we have 1 deck on table, it's not going into a machine. There's literally 2 people that are seeing the cards live and they are in a secured area and the door is locked."
JFK: "... if there's something we're missing, we need to be told. So you need to jump in and you need to tell us what we're missing."

They joke about hacking into it and not being able to do that with an iphone.
And how they think good people lose and bad people win. lol
Tom Walch: "#More rake is better"

{end quote} from poster “wild card”
{Quote} from poster “wild card”

I've found some more here:

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12942

youtube guy (Yo): "​well someone can obviously see the cards live vibrating devices in the chairs lol?"

I like this youtube guy
Usually people dismiss this talk as paranoid/delusional, but this youtube guy is right on the money.
JFK indicates that the peek room is right behind the wall of the comment booth.
JFK tells youtube guy he doesn't understand how it works.
That wall looks a bit flimsy, even as he says the words 'secured room' he accidentally brushes it with his hand and it moves! lol
(probably just posters on the wall, but it seems funny

{End qoute} from poster wild card


https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ

03:48:35

Theres more!

(Same stream as previous posts above) (sorry im on mobile and it wont let me link time stamps)

Justin gets annoyed at another youtuber asking about live rigging. Justin Starts raising his voice. He talks about how if it was rigged he could whisper and tell someone to fold over the phone. VERY VERY SUSPECT BEHAVIOR BY JUSTIN HERE!!! Stones types “No phones are allowed in the booth”. The youtuber says sorry.

At 03:52:00 towards the end of Justins rant where he stops yelling he gives a nice dupers delight laugh as well.

At 04:01:00

Justin gives an idea for a team tournament where your opponents can give you advice on a hand as you play and suggests “a table talk team tournament where your opponent can look at your cards and tell you what to do”.

SERIOUSLY GUYS IM NOT MAKING THIS UP!!!
Wtf is going on here!!! Justin had a couple drinks...

This is all during August 2018 just less than a month of god mode mike.
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:17 PM   #7978
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:18 PM   #7979
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2:58 - the Q8s - if you mean that hand, he deserves an oscar for if he cheated.
Who cares how he acted? It's yet another hand where he makes not one, but two calls the announcers are amazed by, with bottom pair. At 2:58:15, he "checks his cards", and just as the camera leaves, you can see his head move further down, much as it would if he was to look at his lap.

Is this hand, in isolation, solid evidence? No, not even close. It's evidence of nothing by itself. If someone started a thread suggesting a player was cheating, using that hand in isolation, they'd be berated by most posters, and rightly so. But in this case, it perfectly fits a pattern that has been well-established over hours and hours of video. You don't have to agree the pattern means he's cheating, but don't fool yourself into believing/try pretending there's nothing there that fits with the allegations people have been making.

If you plan to sit in this thread and try to pick apart hands in isolation, go find another forum to do it on.
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:21 PM   #7980
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If you plan to sit in this thread and try to pick apart hands in isolation, go find another forum to do it on.
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:23 PM   #7981
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

What do you think the best metrics to track if I'm going through every single hand played by Mike P on stream are but I'm not going to use a program to input the hand histories??

I'm going to check Mike P stack, when he rebought/added on, keys, phone, hat, total profit, commentators, stakes & how often the straddle was on - ideally I want to track pfr/vpip/3bet/cbet/river aggression/success/river stats - these are all much better done through a program ideally but I'm not sure which stats are going to be super relevant.
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:31 PM   #7982
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

i think the bet/call/fold frequency on each street would be the most important as it seems this is where he is deviating the most from “correct” play and well preflop but we already know he’s vpip 60%
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:31 PM   #7983
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Can somebody post hands in here from the ACR straddle games for me so that we can see how the input format works?
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:35 PM   #7984
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What do you think the best metrics to track if I'm going through every single hand played by Mike P on stream are but I'm not going to use a program to input the hand histories??

I'm going to check Mike P stack, when he rebought/added on, keys, phone, hat, total profit, commentators, stakes & how often the straddle was on - ideally I want to track pfr/vpip/3bet/cbet/river aggression/success/river stats - these are all much better done through a program ideally but I'm not sure which stats are going to be super relevant.
Honestly i think that's too much to take on.

I'd almost just focus on net win/loss since no one has locked an accurate number down. Figure out, by hand, how much he won or lost, that way the re-buys and add-ons argument can finally be disregarded.
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:36 PM   #7985
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I know it might be too much to take on but I know that I will get as close to right doing it as possible.

I'm going to focus on by hand - how much won/lost total - total re-buys/add-ons
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:38 PM   #7986
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What do you think the best metrics to track if I'm going through every single hand played by Mike P on stream are but I'm not going to use a program to input the hand histories??

I'm going to check Mike P stack, when he rebought/added on, keys, phone, hat, total profit, commentators, stakes & how often the straddle was on - ideally I want to track pfr/vpip/3bet/cbet/river aggression/success/river stats - these are all much better done through a program ideally but I'm not sure which stats are going to be super relevant.
It's hard to know in advance what metrics might be useful since more information may become available in the future that requires a different view of the data. But I'm not sure that matters - if you record all the elemental stats of each hand you can derive whatever metric you need from that data in the future by applying a new spreadsheet / DB formula to the same data set. Here are all the elemental stats I can think of for each hand:
  • Number of players at the table, including which seats are occupied
  • Every player's seating position [by name]
  • The button position
  • Every player's stack at the start of the hand
  • Every player's holding and all the community cards
  • Every player's action and amount [for each hand Mike is in, either voluntarily or when he's in the blind]
  • Total number of hands in the session

Some metastats might include:
  • How long Mike takes to act on each street
  • Whether or not he looks down at his phone
  • Who the dealer is
  • Who is commentating
  • Date and time of each hand
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:42 PM   #7987
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:03 PM   #7988
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Watching ingram’s #10 where mexpancake folds aat9ds and the graphics flip the Ac to another 9c for a part of a second then instantly revert back to Ac. 3:54:24-26 seconds not to miss.


https://youtu.be/3i6SczPwMRY


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Old 10-12-2019, 11:06 PM   #7989
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

According to the Viva Frei livestream the lawsuit made a huge error not including the connection between Postle and the casino. Didn't Postle work for Stones as a consultant in the past, and didnt Kuraitis have Postle come out to help test the RFID technology? If anyone has evidence of these things and can supply it to the lawyer I think that would go along way towards the RICO/conspiracy charges. Casino employees cant play in the casino for a reason.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:07 PM   #7990
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I know it might be too much to take on but I know that I will get as close to right doing it as possible.

I'm going to focus on by hand - how much won/lost total - total re-buys/add-ons
I honestly don't think this is your job now - unless you're being paid handsomely by Verstandig Law!
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:12 PM   #7991
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I know it might be too much to take on but I know that I will get as close to right doing it as possible.

I'm going to focus on by hand - how much won/lost total - total re-buys/add-ons
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What do you think the best metrics to track if I'm going through every single hand played by Mike P on stream are but I'm not going to use a program to input the hand histories??

I'm going to check Mike P stack, when he rebought/added on, keys, phone, hat, total profit, commentators, stakes & how often the straddle was on - ideally I want to track pfr/vpip/3bet/cbet/river aggression/success/river stats - these are all much better done through a program ideally but I'm not sure which stats are going to be super relevant.
Joey, please tell me this is a troll. the amount of work it would take to go through each stream and meticulously tally the add ons, transcribe each hand, and then create meaningful stats on them is too much for one man.

I also noticed that Stones Live displays the actions of each player on the screen. If the players actions, the hole cards and the board were stored in a database, it would eliminate a lot of the work gathering all the data. That data would need to be entered into a program or manually calculated but it would still eliminate a lot of the leg work, and even at this reduced workload, it would still require a lot of hours and effort. I think the issue of add ons could be handled during discovery where they would attain Postles records of his winnings, which they could verify through cross referencing with current records, which would be much easier than doing it from scratch. If you do plan on doing this, we should start a gofundme for investigation papi to show our support, but I would highly recommend against it.

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Old 10-12-2019, 11:15 PM   #7992
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According to the Viva Frei livestream the lawsuit made a huge error not including the connection between Postle and the casino. Didn't Postle work for Stones as a consultant in the past, and didnt Kuraitis have Postle come out to help test the RFID technology? If anyone has evidence of these things and can supply it to the lawyer I think that would go along way towards the RICO/conspiracy charges. Casino employees cant play in the casino for a reason.
Whether MP worked for Stones or not doesn't make RICO any more or any less likely. That would be the same for any "conspiracy", accomplices having an employer/employee relationship doesn't make a "conspiracy" any more or any less likely.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:20 PM   #7993
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Some metastats might include:
  • How long Mike takes to act on each street
  • Whether or not he looks down at his phone
  • Who the dealer is
  • Who is commentating
  • Date and time of each hand
Also I think VPIP every seat vs. seat 2 may be significant and/or flops seen.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:26 PM   #7994
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having an employer/employee relationship doesn't make a "conspiracy" any more or any less likely.
A conspiracy between two people that know each other is more likely then a conspiracy between two people that don't.

The current phase is to try to get past a motion to the dismiss and according to the live stream it's a big oversight not to include it.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:27 PM   #7995
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Also I think VPIP every seat vs. seat 2 may be significant and/or flops seen.
VPIP can be derived from the elemental stats I listed.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:29 PM   #7996
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if he cooperates 6 years in jail
if he doesn't 12 years in jail

he caused a lot of misery,time he gets some
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:49 PM   #7997
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A conspiracy between two people that know each other is more likely then a conspiracy between two people that don't.

The current phase is to try to get past a motion to the dismiss and according to the live stream it's a big oversight not to include it.
Maybe, but that's not really the point. The relationship between persons A and B doesn't prove a conspiracy. A and B could be cousins, neighbors or devoted life partners: point being, that just shows how they know each other. Any two persons can be in a conspiracy so long as they hatch a plan and act in furthering that plan: the court will care little as to the relationship between A and B, other than did they hatch a plan and act in furthering said plan. Put another way; if criminal A needs an accomplice, it's logical he/she would solicit the help of someone they know, but that doesn't mean everyone criminal A knows is then more or less likely part of the conspiracy: simply prove the conspiracy and whom someone knows and how doesn't matter.

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Old 10-12-2019, 11:53 PM   #7998
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if he cooperates 6 years in jail
if he doesn't 12 years in jail

he caused a lot of misery,time he gets some
A year and a day is prison though in some cases people can serve more in jail but it's rare.

I'll take the under on 6 years.

As I've said before, he is white, he has his own attorney and it isn't a crime of violence. Add to that if you have a judge who thinks poorly of gamblers, the affected class, he will get off light.

All this doesn't take into account any federal criminal charges that might arise, I don't know much about that.

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Old 10-13-2019, 12:04 AM   #7999
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If the transcription generated by Stones live were stored in a DB, and we were able to access it, im sure the programmers of the poker community could work on an open source project to get any and all data you wished to get from it relatively quickly, since it would most likely be stored in a uniform format which is necessary for a program to parse through the text. The only problem is whether the data is being stored in a database and whether we could even get our hands on it. Mb its better to leave this to VerStandig and his team? You've already done so much for this case and the community.
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Watching the stream you mention back on December 23 2018 and you bring up a very good point.

The rebuys are certainly off for that session so far. I think the only way I can figure this out is if I go through every single minute of every single session myself.
I don't think the number matters that much. I watched the pod w Veronica and they were talking about the people getting scammed on the other end. If you've ever had **** stolen from you that you've worked your ass off for, you would understand it's way more principal than material loss.
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