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Old 10-12-2019, 12:27 PM   #7826
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It's not going into a machine? Wtf is JFK implying, that the machines in casinos are rigged? This guy is really dumb, I'm sure they aren't rigged, and as a casino employee, why would he even say something like that?
ikr lol weird thing for a casino guy to say. This whole thing is quite funny, in the context of what we know now.
JFK: "Tell us what we are missing". Veronica Brill:" Someone is cheating" . JFK: "fabricated lies!" (and other general hand-waving to any complaints). lool

I've found some more here:

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12942

youtube guy (Yo): "​well someone can obviously see the cards live vibrating devices in the chairs lol?"

I like this youtube guy
Usually people dismiss this talk as paranoid/delusional, but this youtube guy is right on the money.
JFK indicates that the peek room is right behind the wall of the comment booth.
JFK tells youtube guy he doesn't understand how it works.
That wall looks a bit flimsy, even as he says the words 'secured room' he accidentally brushes it with his hand and it moves! lol
(probably just posters on the wall, but it seems funny).

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Old 10-12-2019, 12:31 PM   #7827
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It just occurred to me that we're going to see a proliferation of people defending Postle publicly over the next few months. It will be a tactic by the defense. They will probably pay for people to spam and spread misinformation - a la the Russian government.
Nope

The GCB can take their license and put them out of business. That is their first priority.

Litigation is always negotiable.

Postle is a single parent with no visible income.

JFK appears to an alcoholic with no visible income.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:33 PM   #7828
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The Twitter jail background they put up sums this all up.
My understanding is that earlier this year, Youtube temporarily suspended the Stones Live account, and that is when they put the jail image as their Twitter background.

However, I do not know if that image has been there ever since then, or if at some point they changed it then recently changed it back.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:36 PM   #7829
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Great work. Here's a video from a crop of your 5x slowdown video of him tapping out the message, with a transparent iPhone keyboard overlay. I was pressed for time so didn't get the scaling exact or use tracking to keep the keyboard in the same position as he moves the phone but I did match up the spacebar button and the iMessage send arrow based on his finger position. Hopefully someone with time or better spatial ability can match up his finger presses and come up with good guesses for what he typed:

Video: https://streamable.com/dgnky
looked at this pretty carefully, and made out the message...I presume it was to his daughter. It read: "say your prayers, take your vitamins and you will never go wrong."
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:38 PM   #7830
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looked at this pretty carefully, and made out the message...I presume it was to his daughter. It read: "say your prayers, take your vitamins and you will never go wrong."
We need more of this forensic evidence! Thank you
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:38 PM   #7831
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Forgive me if this has been asked and answered already. Did Postle ever play against Potripper on UB or is there a chance he was playing in the group that had God Mode there?
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:42 PM   #7832
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ikr lol weird thing for a casino guy to say. This whole thing is quite funny, in the context of what we know now.
JFK: "Tell us what we are missing". Veronica Brill:" Someone is cheating" . JFK: "fabricated lies!" (and other general hand-waving to any complaints). lool

I've found some more here:

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12942

youtube guy (Yo): "​well someone can obviously see the cards live vibrating devices in the chairs lol?"

I like this youtube guy
Usually people dismiss this talk as paranoid/delusional, but this youtube guy is right on the money.
JFK indicates that the peek room is right behind the wall of the comment booth.
JFK tells youtube guy he doesn't understand how it works.
That wall looks a bit flimsy, even as he says the words 'secured room' he accidentally brushes it with his hand and it moves! lol
(probably just posters on the wall, but it seems funny).
Yea, I mean, if casino machines were rigged, it would be an even bigger scandal than this one. And yea, its funny how he answers a random youtube comment, that he could have just ignored, with more sincerity than Veronica's highly public tweet facing the entire poker community.

Wow, this is some dam good detective work! lol @ the wall moving in the "secure room", you cant make this **** up
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:44 PM   #7833
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Forgive me if this has been asked and answered already. Did Postle ever play against Potripper on UB or is there a chance he was playing in the group that had God Mode there?
Postle has claimed in interview with Matusow that he lost a lot of money playing against the UB superusers but because he was the winningmost player in the history of the site he was refused a refund.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:47 PM   #7834
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JFK (explaining how he thinks it's not rigged): "It's on a 30 min delay, we have 1 deck on table, it's not going into a machine. There's literally 2 people that are seeing the cards live and they are in a secured area and the door is locked."
I think the interesting consequence of this comment is that, since he's named in the civil suit, this is evidence that he and Stones were knowingly neglectful of their responsibilities regarding security. They didn't leave the control room unsecured out of lack of knowledge. They knew if should be "in a secured area" with a locked door. Yet, they chose to leave it open to anyone which caused this situation.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:48 PM   #7835
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Yea, I mean, if casino machines were rigged, it would be an even bigger scandal than this one. And yea, its funny how he answers a random youtube comment, that he could have just ignored, with more sincerity than Veronica's highly public tweet facing the entire poker community.

Wow, this is some dam good detective work!
maybe he knows something about the machines in that casino? haha
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:50 PM   #7836
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Yea, I mean, if casino machines were rigged, it would be an even bigger scandal than this one. And yea, its funny how he answers a random youtube comment, that he could have just ignored, with more sincerity than Veronica's highly public tweet facing the entire poker community.

Wow, this is some dam good detective work! lol @ the wall moving in the "secure room", you cant make this **** up
I dont think it was a random youtube comment. I think it was a perfectly placed comment by someone on the inside just to see the response and or to joke about the scam. The youtuber only follows stones and live at the bike. The youtuber calls out a device on the chair and says “someone can obviously see the cards live” while also referring to a vibrating device on a chair. You cant make this up! This wasnt a random comment imo
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:51 PM   #7837
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This is very very interesting. Justin gets very very defensive and he lies because the door isnt locked. This video is from August 2018, which is just a couple sessions in the god mode status. Great find someone message Joey! That comment was such forshadowing!

The youtuber who made the comment only follows live at the bike and stones which is odd. His account changed from ss_s to “yo”. It seems like almost a fake account made to ask the question. Im confused but this is very interesting. Can someone else chime in on this?
Yeah I have always thought something fishy was going on back since August in 2018. I have watched nearly every Stones stream and have always questioned Mikes plays and every time they dismiss it as if he was the best player ever and just never makes a wrong decision, that always annoyed me.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:56 PM   #7838
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Found this clip that seems really relevant to the whole topic of the thread. Worth a look.

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12547

3:29:07 JFK reads out youtube comment question: "How can people be assured that live stream games arn't rigged?"

JFK (explaining how he thinks it's not rigged): "It's on a 30 min delay, we have 1 deck on table, it's not going into a machine. There's literally 2 people that are seeing the cards live and they are in a secured area and the door is locked."
JFK: "... if there's something we're missing, we need to be told. So you need to jump in and you need to tell us what we're missing."

They joke about hacking into it and not being able to do that with an iphone.
And how they think good people lose and bad people win. lol
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This is an outstanding catch. Everyone who has meaningfully contributed to the detective work on this thread should get an award at that annual poker awards show that usually just rewards their friends. JFK is laughing off any idea that this stream could be rigged, even if it wasn't, one should still do a better job of discussing security measures. If someone can see the live stream then it is possible to compromise the game.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:00 PM   #7839
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https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ

03:48:35

Theres more!

(Same stream as previous posts above) (sorry im on mobile and it wont let me link time stamps)

Justin gets annoyed at another youtuber asking about live rigging. Justin Starts raising his voice. He talks about how if it was rigged he could whisper and tell someone to fold over the phone. VERY VERY SUSPECT BEHAVIOR BY JUSTIN HERE!!! Stones types “No phones are allowed in the booth”. The youtuber says sorry.

At 03:52:00 towards the end of Justins rant where he stops yelling he gives a nice dupers delight laugh as well.

At 04:01:00

Justin gives an idea for a team tournament where your opponents can give you advice on a hand as you play and suggests “a table talk team tournament where your opponent can look at your cards and tell you what to do”.

SERIOUSLY GUYS IM NOT MAKING THIS UP!!!
Wtf is going on here!!! Justin had a couple drinks...

This is all during August 2018 just less than a month of god mode mike.

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Old 10-12-2019, 01:01 PM   #7840
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I often wonder where this belief comes from. Back when the whole Tom Brady deflate-gate issue was going on (and it was reported the NFL wanted it's hands on Brady's cell); I believe it was one of tech websites (maybe a news site I can't recall) reported that two of the 4 largest US wireless carriers kept sms content (one for like a week, the other for like a couple months) and the other two didn't keep sms content at all. I don't think any email providers have publicly acknowledged if and how long they keep emails for when a user deletes them. Point being; do you know for sure all wireless carriers and email providers keep sms/email transcripts indefinitely? I'm sure a wireless carrier has logs like "this number sms'd that number on this date/time", but the actual content of the sms kept indefinitely, kind of a scary thought.
You are right about phone carriers, but: (1) you have no idea when this investigation started, i.e., for all we know subpoenas or search warrants for phone company and ISP records were issued at the very beginning before things were deleted (the NFL did not have this power); and (2) it actually takes skill and patience to delete texts and emails without a trace and without making it clear that the person is spoliating evidence. For a text or an e-mail to vanish, you need BOTH sender and recipient of the email to take several steps, and to do it correctly.

In the real world, criminals aren't these technological masterminds that people like to posit. They leave bread crumbs all the time.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:08 PM   #7841
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For an actual lottery fraud see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Lotto_fraud_scandal

and this brilliant feature on it in the NYTimes:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...d-mystery.html

Inside job with the random number generator
There was also the group that manipulated a state lottery to create large carryover jackpots, resulting in a negative takeout, which they then were able to bet. There have been a number of lottery frauds.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:08 PM   #7842
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Yeah I have always thought something fishy was going on back since August in 2018. I have watched nearly every Stones stream and have always questioned Mikes plays and every time they dismiss it as if he was the best player ever and just never makes a wrong decision, that always annoyed me.
If that's really you Yo from youtube, your youtube comments were solid gold!

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lol @ the wall moving in the "secure room", you cant make this **** up
yeah it's one of the best bits, it's like a comedy movie
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:12 PM   #7843
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This is one of the better defense arguments: attack what is purportedly MP’s winrate. I’m sure several witnesses to the game will testify to the extensive rebuys and add-ons. What’s frustrating for many, but is getting lost here, is that MP doesn’t need to establish he didn’t cheat; he just needs to plant legitimate seeds of doubt in at least one juror’s head.

The defense will probably be able to find clips of other players displaying nervous tics (perhaps not as noticeable as MP’s crotch stare, but unusual nonetheless), and the phone staring itself can be written off in a number of ways (perhaps other players routinely look at their phones to watch the stream on delay). The defense doesn’t need to say that other players were acting just like MP, just that they were acting unusually (if defense can find player(s) acting unusually in sessions where they were big winners that’s even better).



If hard evidence on the phone is discovered that makes the defense case exceptionally hard, and probably not worth fighting.
I hinted at this upthread, but if I were Postle's defense lawyer, I would engage in the same scrutiny that everyone here is engaging in, but with respect to the other players. Because it is probably possible to ret-con a bunch of alleged "tells" that Postle could have supposedly noticed. These are 1-3 players- they are probably tellboxes!

For various reasons, I don't think that defense will succeed. But it is the logical defense.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:14 PM   #7844
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This is not good advice since a civil case is way more likely than a criminal one and the other law advice is just uh, bad.

The poker game played bigger *because* he was cheating. There was a 60% clip guy playing like a whale never losing! A guy calling 4 bets with 5 and 9 high! When he wasn't on god mode the games were often mediocre.
This isn't false, but Postle isn't the only cause of that. If you watch other episodes of Stones live where he wasn't at the table, the Veronica and Friends game still played very big. She brought in a lot of maniacs, not just Postle.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:16 PM   #7845
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Found this clip that seems really relevant to the whole topic of the thread. Worth a look.

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12547
Just after the bit you quote they continue:

JFK: If there's something we're missing, we need to be told...
Comm #2: Maybe I could try to hack it?
JFK: See what you can do. Can you hack it on that phone? That's an iPhone, iPhone can't do that ****... no iPhones in here, this is an iPhone free zone....

Berkey pointed out the widely accepted phone hack has to be on an Android/Windows phone right?

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ikr lol weird thing for a casino guy to say. This whole thing is quite funny, in the context of what we know now.
I've found some more here:

https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12942
watch what actually happens in this hand.

Flop is Q87r. Mike P has KQ, villain has Q8.

JFK: (joking about having a card rig device) Also how we make sure that Mike P wins every single hand, like this one. Where he flops top pair with the King kicker.
Comm #2: He's just running good.
JFK: Oh, he's going to lose this hand though. I mispoke, cos Simon flopped two pair, did you notice that? Simon has two pair and he's raised it up to $900... Harland is getting out of the way, and we're back to Mike and it's going to be really tough for Mike to lay down this hand, and he's going to need some help after he calls."

Mike is tanking, having employed CTO whilst action gets back round to him.

JFK: "...There's one thing after this hand, that's going to be a juicy hand here. I need to respond to someone who made a comment about reads being 99% accurate...."

Mike folds, they do not even make a reference to the "juicy hand" again, and continue to speak about the other topic JFK introduces (edit: actually tbf, comms #2 introduces it)

Incidentally, this is the only stream I've seen Mike P with his sunglasses on.

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Old 10-12-2019, 01:20 PM   #7846
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maybe he knows something about the machines in that casino? haha
the plot thickens

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I dont think it was a random youtube comment. I think it was a perfectly placed comment by someone on the inside just to see the response and or to joke about the scam. The youtuber only follows stones and live at the bike. The youtuber calls out a device on the chair and says “someone can obviously see the cards live” while also referring to a vibrating device on a chair. You cant make this up! This wasnt a random comment imo
mb Joey went back in time to troll us with his bluetooth vibrating dildo theory lol. but yea, the whole conversation is kind of eery, then he goes on to say "check and mate" after he explains the delayed stream. very odd. ppl trollingly accuse Garrett all the time for rigged decks when he runs good and knowing his opponents cards when he makes a hero fold/call, LATB commentators usually just ignore them. Its possible JFK is being defensive and feels compelled to answer these questions.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:21 PM   #7847
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The thing that tilts me is how nobody, especially the dealer, told him to stop being on his phone DURING a hand, which he did multiple times every single session.

Everywhere I play has a "no using your phone while in a hand" rule. It doesn't get enforced 100% of the time; I've seen plenty of people be on calls, text, internet, watch sports, etc while in a hand (heck, I'm often watching a UFC fight), but that's usually only once or twice a night. If it's more than that, the dealer will ALWAYS ask the player to turn off their phone while in a hand, at least if the player is interacting with the phone; they're a little more lenient if someone is obviously watching sports.

And I've NEVER seen someone hide their phone under the table while in a hand. It's always up to their ear (talking) or in their hand above the table (texting, interneting) or on the rail (watching sports).

I've even been at casinos that have a "no phone at the table, even while not in the hand" rule. You had to stand up and leave the table to be on your phone. A bit extreme given how addicted people are to their phones nowadays, but the dealers actually strongly enforced the rule; they didn't just let it slide.

I can understand how the other players wouldn't want to call him on it, just like people often are afraid to call the clock on others, but it's literally one of the dealers' jobs to enforce that rule, and they do so at every other casino I've played at, at least if it occurs this often.

It's inconceivable to me that he was looking at his phone BELOW the table in EVERY SINGLE hand he won but was never told to stop.


FWIW, here in California where I play, it's been years since anyone tried to ban cell phones at the table. A couple of casinos used to have rules against it, but players complained and they changed.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:24 PM   #7848
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Veronica (Angry_Polak):

I am remiss for not posting this earlier.

Many, many thanks for breaking this thing. It took a lot of courage.

You go our Canadian gal!




Your reaction here was epic and your contribution to the poker world will never be forgotten around twoplustwo:


Laying this hand down is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to some of the plays he makes. Greedy bastard probably could have gotten away with this infinitely if he was smarter about it.

+1 to kudos for Veronica for coming forward
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:30 PM   #7849
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wish there was a highlight reel of the interview so i don't need to spend 3 hours on it
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:31 PM   #7850
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Not sure if Mike is cheating in this episode (God-mode seems very possible for this specific hand, although up til that point in this episode, not any convincing evidence of God-mode to me)...

Dave O snaps off MP's 72o nonsense shove on the river with a middling pair with a one-card straight on-board. Beautiful!

This is kind of an interesting episode actually... has Joey or anyone looked through it in depth?

Veronica & Friends with BotLady & Brent / Jul 20, 2019

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