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Old 10-12-2019, 03:51 AM   #7776
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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[B][CENTER]Stream Date: 22 April 2019
Stream Name: $1/$2/$3 No Limit Hold'em w/ Kasey & Scott
Stream Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6AGzJWaYxU
That's some fine detailed research in your post. I think that session was previously uninvestigated, but you've done enough analysis to confirm it is a God Mode session.
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@1:37:08 Who is this guy who does that hat nod some Ocean’s Eleven type stuff
The guy tipping his hat is not Lance or Taylor. I don't think it's Enrique (?) either. It might just be someone that works in another part of the room and is not directly involved in the stream.
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@ Who is this Guy?
I think that's just a random customer/member of the public. I believe there is an exit or a bathroom somewhere behind that partition, as well as a desk.
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:56 AM   #7777
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Nah, he just changed the video title after the allegations came to light to "God Mode (or Cheating?) by Mike Postle in a $5/$10 Cash Game"

As top commenter on that very video, I can confirm the title was different when I posted a week ago.
That's actually a kind of sketchy move from Little, methinks.

But not exactly his first IIRC.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:02 AM   #7778
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And by exaggerate you mean get the expert math/stats guy to take the stand and say the odds of X is 1 in 4 trillion when in fact the expert knows it's 1 in 2 trillion? So basically in what world would any expert agree to take the stand and perjure themselves?
I definitely see your point; I would think, possibly by using the words "about" or "around" or "approximately" it would be considered a math stretch rather than perjury; After all, there is a lot of disagreement about BB/hr and other win rates........Since there are straddles intermittently, etc, it is impossible to determine the exact number of BBs/ hr without knowing the BB.

The point is that you need a method to make the defendant's TEAM use the same improbable math.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:17 AM   #7779
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I definitely see your point; I would think, possibly by using the words "about" or "around" or "approximately" it would be considered a math stretch rather than perjury; After all, there is a lot of disagreement about BB/hr and other win rates........Since there are straddles intermittently, etc, it is impossible to determine the exact number of BBs/ hr without knowing the BB.

The point is that you need a method to make the defendant's TEAM use the same improbable math.
As a general rule on taking the stand and testifying: be direct and answer the question. If the answer to a question is 17%, generally you do not want to say "approx. 20%" or "approx. 15%." If you get cross examined about "what exactly is approx. 20% or approx. 15%" the witness may potentially have an optics problem with the jury. If under cross examination that same witness is questioned on other somewhat ambiguous answers, the jury my get the impression that the witness is not credible: that's not a good thing, especially for an expert witness. What the witness says is important, and how they say it is also very important.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:20 AM   #7780
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Here are some Mike Postle highlights

Thank you, Jeff, for including the definition of duper's delight. Postle has exhibited this behavior over and over again in the hands where he owns someone on the river, and it's truly sickening.

A lot of the people analyzing the video evidence are focused on hand histories, basically saying that no professional poker player would play certain hands the way Postle does. And a lot, understandably, are focused on speculations about his exact method(s) of cheating, whether he had an accomplice or accomplices, and who those accomplices might be.

But what I find most damning is his body language. For someone who claims to be a master of live reads, he hardly pays any attention to his opponents at all. Instead, he contorts himself in the most awkward ways to give him a surreptitious view of the phone in his lap, often while pretending to recheck his cards. He sometimes stalls briefly while pretending to consider his action, but he's a horrible actor: We never see him truly agonizing over a tough river decision, replaying a hand in his mind, really struggling to figure out what his opponent might have—except, of course, when the game switched to PLO but the live stream still showed only two cards; in that hand he was genuinely frustrated and upset, not knowing whether his full house was good but having to call a large turn raise and river bet anyway.

And then there are these premature expressions of childish glee when he knows before the river action is complete that he's about to own his opponent's soul.

I've never seen a poker player over the age of 10 giggle the way Postle does—and he does it before showdown. Is this what a sociopath looks like?

He deserves everything that's coming to him.
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:48 AM   #7781
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Curious as to who you all think the accomplices are, and the odds on who was involved. I have Kuraitis at 85% and Taylor at 75% so I believe it was a 3 man crew.

I don't know much about Lance but since he was involved in the tech I think its 33% chance he was in on it. Justin Kelly I'd put at 20% (he was the announcer on Postle's show, was dismissive of Veronica). Am I missing anyone?
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:03 AM   #7782
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I still have yet to hear a convincing argument for how JFK WASNT involved. People saying he’s too dumb or obvious are just making a case for him participating. Not to mention all of the circumstantial evidence, Veronica’s take on him, and that this guy basically oversaw the entire stream. He knew at the very least. He reeks of snake oil salesman and is sleazy as ****.
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:04 AM   #7783
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That's actually a kind of sketchy move from Little, methinks.

But not exactly his first IIRC.
Can you explain to me why him changing the title is sketchy?
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:06 AM   #7784
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[B][CENTER]Stream Date: 22 April 2019
Stream Name: $1/$2/$3 No Limit Hold'em w/ Kasey & Scott

@3:17 This hand is probably infamous. P. Singh seat 5 gets ****ed. Some action preflop, Mike with AdJd flops AhQd3d while Singh has 33.
Mike looks at his dick again for sizing (it's small) and makes a god-like fold. wtg Mikey!

And there he is explaining to everyone (I assume) that he has a great read and is making an amazing fold with top pair (aces) on a very dry board to a half pot bet on the river.

Watch to a bit after the Postle Zone graphic to hear the commentator reaction. uggg.

https://youtu.be/U6AGzJWaYxU?t=11824

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Old 10-12-2019, 05:22 AM   #7785
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That's actually a kind of sketchy move from Little, methinks.

But not exactly his first IIRC.
very sketchy, it's one thing to jump in on the pageview bandwagon but to make it appear like you suspected him months before any news broke is just poor form
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:27 AM   #7786
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

... and would do nothing but confuse the issue for some people. Title change like that is not cool imo. He should have just reposted the video with an explanation if he wanted to show his analysis again.
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:29 AM   #7787
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--- and would do nothing but confuse the issue for some people. Title change like that is not cool imo. He should have just reposted the . video with an explanation if he wanted to show his analysis again.
just checked, while when he's called out on it in the comments he sometimes responds to acknowledge that he did change the title

however, he's still hearting and upvoting the people giving him props for being the first to call out postle thus reinforcing their false notion that he was the first and ensuring they get more visibility than the non-hearted and non-upvoted explanations of the title change

seems like he's playing it both ways and letting those who fell for it fall further instead of correcting them when they call him the goat and praise him for seeing it months before anyone else

can we start a separate thread about little's cto social engagement?

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Old 10-12-2019, 06:01 AM   #7788
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

If you had to bet your life on it, or you're little finger lopped off if your're wrong - what would you bet?

Or, what line would you set to make a big bet?

Me, I think there's more than smoke. Haven't read the thread yet but will, but watched a lot of the hands last night, with commentary. A few things: one hand he claimed later to get a soul read on the guy from observing him, listen, HE NEVER LOOKED UP AT HIM ON THE RIVER or even toward him before he made the supercall. As a psych specialist myself, I know such soul reads are possible, but he was going by something else entirely.

In fact, his entire performance and style at the table seems to be going on "something else entirely." I've never seen it. Don't mistake what I'm saying here for "He's diverting his attention from the game, doing other things." Of course millions of us do that. But this guy, upon returning attention is not returning it to the game and table, but to something else. You know, there's that old idea if it looks and feels unnatural, get the hell out. Not the great plays, that's not the unnatural part - though some of that is - but the whole weird thing. Reminds me of Gaylord Perry on the mound.
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:28 AM   #7789
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Mike looks at his dick again for sizing (it's small)
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:39 AM   #7790
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My thinking is that JFK wasn't even capable of being a technological accomplice until long after the cheating started, because he didn't have the technological know-how. He's a people person, a manager, not a software geek. Maybe JFK got involved in sending holecard data at some point, or helped to cover it up when he found out one of his staff members was involved, but I think it's more likely that his role in this fiasco was that of negligent show-runner.

My theory is that a certain someone got promoted to the role of editing/production assistant some time between January and July 2018, and then casually told Postle something like "It's so cool. In the booth I get to see all the holecards live..." and a plan was hatched by the pair of them from there.
ok, thanks. know what you are getting at. there is obviously a staff change at the date you originally referred to.

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That's some fine detailed research in your post. I think that session was previously uninvestigated, but you've done enough analysis to confirm it is a God Mode session.

The guy tipping his hat is not Lance or Taylor. I don't think it's Enrique (?) either. It might just be someone that works in another part of the room and is not directly involved in the stream.

I think that's just a random customer/member of the public. I believe there is an exit or a bathroom somewhere behind that partition, as well as a desk.
Are you sure? I just watched this, and looks like it could be Taylor. There is another regular player in the game who looks v similar actually. Thought it couldn't be him as he is carrying a production looking wire, but looking at it again this could be a phone charger perhaps. Doesn't look like he is wearing Stones branded clothing too. Looks more like him actually, but not 100%.

Haven't seen the woman with the glasses (@ 2:57) before btw
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:40 AM   #7791
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Not a lawyer but one of my lines would be... "we're not talking about random events as though he got dealt pocket aces 100 times in a row, we're talking about decisions, supposedly thoughtful ones, based on years of experience, by a professional poker player. We will explain, through expert testimony, that many many of his decisions were actually bad, even crazy unless he knew his opponents cards. The defense will claim that he is just that good, he's played with the same opponents for years and he can know what they have just by looking at them, every time. We call this, "the God defense". It'll be up to you to decide if Mike Postle is a God or just a goddamned cheater.
This is very good. Although I would change "a goddamned cheater" to "an outright cheater."
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:59 AM   #7792
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Just been flicking through Joey Ingram's new video (which is very funny, particularly about the disrespect of the great game of Pot Limit Omaha).

There is one comment which may well be nothing, but pricked up my ears. When discussing when Mike's A3s river bluff gets called by Rich's A9o, our commentator friend Justin Kelly (an old friend of JFK) mentions there may be a load of meta-game between the pair because they have played each other many times, including private games.

Does anyone know have any insight into these private games? Does this suggest Justin K has played in them too? The reason I ask, I believe there is another member of the tech staff who apparently has run a home game for some time.
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Old 10-12-2019, 07:09 AM   #7793
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I think Postle's defense will include blood clots someway/somehow. He'll use it to explain posture changes, and the adjustments to his penile area. Mark my words. This is not a troll.

If the crotch doesn't fit, you must acquit.
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Old 10-12-2019, 07:13 AM   #7794
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I think Postle's defense will include blood clots someway/somehow. He'll use it to explain posture changes, and the adjustments to his penile area. Mark my words. This is not a troll.

If the crotch doesn't fit, you must acquit.
I 100% agree with this. He verbatim said that blood clots forced him to quit online poker despite being UB’s all time most profitable player.
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Old 10-12-2019, 07:29 AM   #7795
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Just finished this session. It's extremely interesting. Mike starts the session in the 5 seat. He's very animated, stands up and sits down a few times, hands over the rail, phone on the rail at times, but still looking at his dick at points.

But then at ~2:17:00 someone leaves seat 2, at 2:18:30 Mike switches seats to seat 2. When he moves to seat 2, he's very to himself, he never gets up, and his phone is never seen again. The only time he picks his left hand up is for one hand where he eats and that's it. He plays every single hand but one from this point on. He's absolutely cheating despite losing as he decides to gamble away $743 on the last hand with top set vs. straight vs. combo draw.

Specific hands as there are many spots where he's dick checking and playing perfectly. Don't wanna link all of them but they're at:
~1:36:00, ~2:03:00, ~2:13:00 ~2:17:00, ~2:22:00, ~2:25:00 (esp. funny). I'd stopped documenting at some point here. It's painfully obvious he's cheating.

Joey, as a PLO enthusiast, I encourage you to watch this if you want more evidence.

This is the funnest picture so far. A bomb pot but he's getting a massage so he sneaks a peak. and obviously he plays perfectly by betting fl/tu and x'ing river to pick off a bluff on a good run out.



Check Mike out at the left side of the screen at 2:53:02. He looks down, sees he's dominated by AA and sees one of his Kings is gone. He shakes his head and gets a look of disgust on his face...
This session is the most obvious cheating I've seen of any session so far.
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Old 10-12-2019, 08:29 AM   #7796
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This is very good. Although I would change "a goddamned cheater" to "an outright cheater."
Nah he is a goddamned cheater.
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Old 10-12-2019, 08:37 AM   #7797
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Made a prank call to Stones tonight on my radio show, pretending to be a southern guy who got cheated on the stream in August.

Didn't expect much, but it revealed one surprising piece of info:

"The DOJ" is investigating them!

It wasn't made clear if it's the United States DOJ or the lesser-known California one, but my assumption would be federal.

Either way, good to know that a law enforcement investigation is taking place.
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Old 10-12-2019, 08:38 AM   #7798
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Why almost always seat 2? Several other seats give same ability to obscure phone.


and this. NVG threads sorted by replies (I think). Crazy amount of interest in this story




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Old 10-12-2019, 08:48 AM   #7799
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"The DOJ" is investigating them!

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Who is "them" ?

How did that become clear?

If so... Mike is toast. The civil suit will be the least of his worries.

Aside from a criminal charges, DOJ will turn file over to IRS.
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Old 10-12-2019, 08:54 AM   #7800
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Are you sure? I just watched this, and looks like it could be Taylor.
I've seen fair bit of footage of Taylor Smith (aka "T-Money") and in the video it just doesn't look like it's him. The guy in monty's screengrab also wears a silver-coloured wristwatch on his left hand. Taylor doesn't wear a watch in the videos I've seen. There was a "six foot tall" live technician who does wear a silver watch on his left hand. His name is Kenny Jones, but based on this photo I don't think it's him in the video either.
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Why almost always seat 2? Several other seats give same ability to obscure phone.
In the 'Veronica and Friends' games (in which Postle seems to have cheated with a very high frequency) all the regs pick the same seats habitually. I think Veronica and Alisha are always in 4 and 5, for example. It's not like they have a random seat draw.
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