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Old 10-01-2019, 10:11 PM   #751
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It's really sad the certainty that most people have that Mike is cheating without needing any concrete evidence.
It's like the posters here can actually see his hole cards.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:11 PM   #752
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Just reading through the replies on the first page of this thread, it's so funny all the people defending this guy even though he is obviously cheating. While I'm sure that it's obvious for the smart people, it doesn't seem to be obvious to the dumb people.
Not as funny as the people still defending him after 700 posts ITT and Joey going through 5 hours of footage.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:14 PM   #753
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A friend of mine is an electrical engineer for a slot machine gaming company. This is what he has to say about the matter:

"I know a lot about RFID. I've designed circuits using it. The claim of RFID misreading an 8 as a 7 is ridiculous. It doesn't work like that. RFID tags have a long string of numbers. For example 2839489359595. That number would correlate to a specific card. Let's say that is the 8 of hearts. The 7s would each have another long string of numbers that would be unique to each of them. The 7s could be numbers such as 8347382020, 28493847393, 1930384394, and 28494839393. If the RFID misread, the overwhelming odds are it would come up with a blank card as the numbers have to exactly match for each card in the deck and it would require reading the card a second time.

There's virtually no chance a misread would come up with a 7. "

"It's possible to read RFID with a phone, but it requires an additional antenna. It would be possible to modify a phone to integrate the antenna. It would be relatively easy for a casino to detect whether there was an extra RFID reader at the table if they wanted to check.

It's far more likely that he's got someone communicating with him. To be able to read RFID across the table and distinguish between all of the cards would almost require some magic. If you have 2 RFID tags and try to read them at the same time, it's difficult to put it mildly."

"In order to read RFID tags, the reader has to be transmitting a signal. It would take a simple RF sniffer to detect such a device. The casino could easily find someone to check for that. If they're using RFID, it's something they should be checking.

I've designed some wireless equipment for casino use. Most casinos are beyond paranoid about hacking and most are afraid of wireless stuff. If they're using RFID, it's beyond negligent for them not to be checking for cheaters.

It would take a very sophisticated device to be able to read all the cards on the table. I kind of doubt that's what he's doing. It's far more likely that someone is cluing him in from outside. There are literally thousands of people who could write a custom phone app to send him hole card data."
Appreciate you posting this, and I personally have zero knowledge of how RFID tech works.

However, what I do know: I've played on the Stones Live Stream multiple times (with Postle in the game every time lol) and cards have definitely been misread.

One example:



In this hand, I (Sammy) actually had QJ and Dave C had A-Jos (the hand went to showdown). As you can see, the card-readers have it completely wrong.

Link to the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajF2_mLyts
This hand occurs at 1:16:00


That said, if this is accurate:




.. it's the most damning piece of evidence we've seen. Those figures are literally beyond impossible.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:15 PM   #754
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It's really sad the certainty that most people have that Mike is cheating without needing any concrete evidence.

Any comment to the contrary is immediately met with infantile responses and further accusations based on personal opinion.

Anyone truly interested should watch the recordings available of this guy playing in it's entirety and not just selective clips as that often leads to biases.

I remember not too long ago when Linus was accused of cheating as well, an accusation which was later retracted.

Our egos often get the better of us, and often times when we don't understand something we choose to assume that it is wrong because the alternative would be to confront our own comprehension of the subject.
Hi Mike
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:17 PM   #755
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Appreciate you posting this, and I personally have zero knowledge of how RFID tech works.

However, what I do know: I've played on the Stones Live Stream multiple times (with Postle in the game every time lol) and cards have definitely been misread.

One example:



In this hand, I (Sammy) actually had QJ and Dave C had A-Jos (the hand went to showdown). As you can see, the card-readers have it completely wrong.

Link to the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajF2_mLyts
This hand occurs at 1:16:00


That said, if this is accurate:




.. it's literally the most damning piece of evidence we've seen. Those figures are literally beyond impossible.
1/3 36k 52 hours , must be softest game in history?
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:18 PM   #756
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im sorry but there is no substance to your arguments. thats why you're getting trolled. do you expect Stones to conduct an unbiased investigation? What preconceived assumptions? Please refute our arguments in detail. You just want us to believe he's that good and we are just jealous? hes literally solved the game of no limit holdem if you believe he isnt cheating. Occams razor... whats more likely, he solved the game or hes cheating?
Just because I said that it sounds like jealousy to me, does not mean I lean one way or the other. Quite the opposite actually. My point is that we should not speak with absolute certain about a subject without having a full understanding of the situation.

Also, I never claimed he solved the game either, you misunderstood. What I meant was that it's important to confront our perception of how much we know before assuming something is wrong.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:18 PM   #757
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and thats just 2018 results. .. we're through 9 months of 2019 LOL
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:18 PM   #758
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Looks like Mike has quite the knowledge of custom mobile apps and the like. Even had a business pertaining to that kind of technology. No wonder he's friends with half the team that run the stream tech at the casino:



https://www.manta.com/c/mrscn20/local-deals-by-text
Are you ****ing serious.

I tried archiving the page before he edits it but "this website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks".

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Old 10-01-2019, 10:20 PM   #759
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Loool it's not even 200 bb/100. It's 200 bb/hr! Given that each hand is like 6 ways it's probably like 15-20 hands an hr. Solid 1000 bb/100 wr
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:20 PM   #760
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1/3 36k 52 hours , must be softest game in history?
You could do this anywhere if you knew your opponents hole cards or if you used a gun.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:21 PM   #761
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His brother is claiming right now he plays big games and wins with players like Phil Laak.. haha if I heard that right.

This table chatter is gold. Have it blasted right now but his brother is whispering
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:23 PM   #762
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lol at the mental midgets in this thread that think he isnt cheating in some capacity.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:24 PM   #763
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You are assuming that it is a losing play based on your current understanding, but how sure are you that your understanding is correct? Even the best players in the world are far from fully comprehending theory based solutions, and even then there are infinite number of variations that if changed, would change the outcome of the solution.
There is AI out there designed for making decisions based on game theory. As a demonstration and for press, they had an exhibition where it was taught the rules of poker and played millions and millions of hands against itself to prepare to play against the top HU NL online players in the world, Doug Polk included. It beat them. It solved HU NL holdem. However, this required machinery the size of a poker room and millions and millions of dollars a month to run and could not be employed in anything other than HU because there were just too many decision points in multiplayer. Maybe it could do it now, or someday, but it wouldn't be monetarily feasible. Not to, mention, it could be applied to much greater things than poker.

You're telling me that Mike ****ing Postle has solved the game of poker and is better than this AI? He is a god among men, the GOAT OF GOATS? Please...

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Old 10-01-2019, 10:24 PM   #764
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I've been lucky/skilled enough to have a few 20 session winning streaks (humblebrag). The thing is, in low stakes you just don't run good from insane bluffs. If you're in a soft game/crushing/running good at low stakes, it is largely because you are making hands. I have never seen a player in history "run good" by being 100% accurate with bluffing on later streets as their main source of profit and achieving 200+bb/hour from this. It is literally impossible to believe by anyone who has even played 10 hours of live poker.

If Mike was "running good" from coolering people at a higher rate, or getting dumped too, that would be one thing. Pulling off insane bluffs for the majority of your win rate is not only unsustainable, it is legitimately impossible in a fair game.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:26 PM   #765
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He’s never lost on stream. NEVER. EVER. NEVER. LOST.

For a year.

He has easily won $150,000 so far playing $5/5 or $1/3 !!! He won $17,000 the night Berkey and Marle played with higher limits. He’s won $7-10k many sessions, if not most

I’ve watched just about all the streams in 2019 because I thought he was an unbelievable player and I wanted to learn from him. But there’s no way anyone could play like Postle.

I still hope he is innocent. But I’m starting too have doubts now.
I had a bet where the goal was to play 100,000 hands without having a losing session. I made it like 70k hands before I completely ****ed up a winning session and punted the bet. The general consensus at that point was that I was a lock to win the bet. Its certainly less likely to pull off live, considering a 12 hour session is like 300 hands, but its not impossible since most of the players are probably garbage.

Anyways, the posted hands are pretty red flag. Its one thing to pull all the **** off a few times, but he seems to have a 90% soul read accuracy.

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It's been mentioned that Mike claims he had 87 in the 88 hand and 66 in the 96 hand.
Interestingly enough, this ****er right here could teach yall a thing or two about never losing a session.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:29 PM   #766
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damn got banned from twitch chat for typing "no postleripper?"
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:29 PM   #767
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Just because I said that it sounds like jealousy to me, does not mean I lean one way or the other. Quite the opposite actually. My point is that we should not speak with absolute certain about a subject without having a full understanding of the situation.

Also, I never claimed he solved the game either, you misunderstood. What I meant was that it's important to confront our perception of how much we know before assuming something is wrong.
Im telling you, hes either solved the game or hes cheating. if you think there is any other possibility, you'r opinion does not matter
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:31 PM   #768
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if you don't get banned from stones poker chat then honestly you're not doing it right
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:32 PM   #769
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There is AI out there designed for making decisions based on game theory. As a demonstration and for press, they had an exhibition where it was taught the rules of poker and played millions and millions of hands against itself to prepare to play against the top HU NL online players in the world, Doug Polk included. It beat them. It solved HU NL holdem. However, this required machinery the size of a poker room and millions and millions of dollars a month to run and could not be employed in anything other than HU because there were just too many decision points in multitable. Maybe it could do it now, or someday, but it wouldn't be monetarily feasible. Not to, mention, it could be applied to much greater things than poker.

You're telling me that Mike ****ing Postle has solved the game of poker and is better than this AI? He is a god among men, the GOAT OF GOATS? Please...
You should read my post again. Unfortunately, you have misread and misinterpreted what was said.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:33 PM   #770
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if you don't get banned from stones poker chat then honestly you're not doing it right
I got banned twice
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:33 PM   #771
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He isn't doing himself any favors on Twitter. I think most non-cheaters would find it funny or take it as a compliment if people thought they were superusing
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yup, perfect example of thou doth protest too much



The psychology of falsely accused innocent people is quite lost on you two
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:40 PM   #772
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The psychology of falsely accused innocent people is quite lost on you two
Please tell me you don’t put him in the likely innocent category?
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:41 PM   #773
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1/3 36k 52 hours , must be softest game in history?
lol to be fair it kind of is. every hand is played absolutely absurd by almost every player. the only reason he is considered more absurd is because he wins every hand. the villains play just as crazy as he does. they just lose to him cause he's super-using.

4-way guy just leads out 97 no fd, no equity basically on qq52, 3-bets against mike when he raises. squeezing 92s random sizings and betting no equity on the flop. the a9o vs a3o hand where the guy 3bet, bet flop, x/r turn with nothing, bet call river with a9o high etcetc lol. ppl calling, then calling more = 45BB with 84o preflop. just putting in tonnes of money 5-ways postflop with random hands, gutshots, you name it.
almost every hand is like that.

it's kinda like that that saying you know, you put 100 monkeys in a room, one of them will write shakespeare

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Old 10-01-2019, 10:44 PM   #774
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You should read my post again. Unfortunately, you have misread and misinterpreted what was said.
Ill say it again, if you disagree with the premise that Postle has either solved poker or is superusing, there is no point in talking to you. Occams razor says hes cheating.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:45 PM   #775
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