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Old 10-11-2019, 10:20 PM   #7701
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Thank You Dick Tracey glad all bases are being covered
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:29 PM   #7702
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Then how do explain winning powerball? I have a client that literally won the jackpot on powerball twice. (True)

I should have checked if she had a blue screen, bulge in her hay and drove an infinity.

Read entire thread. ONLY proof he cheated is he won.
Winning Powerball twice if true doesn't equate to winning it four times in a row, anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math understands this.

How many people on the planet Earth had the same successful lottery play as your "client that literally won the jackpot on powerball twice"?? Citation please. Is this like the guy who was hit by lightening twice?

Instead of spewing nonsense on 2+2, try googling simple Arithmetic and Critical Thinking. Spend a few hours educating yourself, that way you won't come across as such an IQ challenged moron.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:32 PM   #7703
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I'm not sure how we go back to the regular poker world after this Postle situation is over - the only things we talk about are when OOL things happen. There is very little to none actual poker being played discussion anymore.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:34 PM   #7704
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Joey was supposed to have a podcast with JRB yesterday. I was looking forward to that even before the Postle scandal broke bc of the infamous 53hh $640k 5bet punt he made a couple months back in a Triton cash game. Wonder if Joeys just been too busy or JRB flaked.
We pushed it back until next week for right now.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:35 PM   #7705
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I don't want to post a link to it, but there are decoy smartphones that are created/sold specifically for reading RFID playing cards. They even come with a decoy controller that looks like a remote start for a vehicle (and could easily be refitted into a real remote start shell).

^Has this been discussed in the thread at all?

I remember learning about what I mentioned above here on 2+2. If I remember correctly, the thread got locked/edited for obvious reasons.
Somebody in this thread posted decoy key fob devices that read the edges of specially marked cards by lighting them up with an IR beam. That requires the cards being sent to them for marking the edges. I haven't seen something like that which works with RFID cards in this thread, but I certainly could have missed it.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:43 PM   #7706
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Answer this: Why does the casino continue to let him play?

They are naive? They’re in on it and want to deflect? They just don’t care?
Veronica Brill just said on Doug Polk's live YT stream that people aren't allowed to even say "Mike Postle" at Stones, and she believes he's been banned.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:44 PM   #7707
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I don't think you're watching the videos closely enough. He is not always staring at his magicDick when he squeezes the hat, and the squeezing of the hat is hella awkward.

The bone conduction theory is nowhere near as solid as the phone theory, for sure. But it's not an either/or.

I think about it like this:

* There is SOMETHING very odd about the hat, his behavior with the hat, etc.
* The bone-conduction explanation makes it all make sense: the way he pushes in, when he does, etc.

The one thing that for me speaks against it is that he tends (perhaps always?) to squeeze both sides of his head. Given how careless he is otherwise, saying "oh, he does that so it looks more natural" seems a weak line.
I agree with everything your saying. Having said that, I haven't yet found anything that is concrete wrt the hats. But he rubs his hat and presses on it a very strange amount.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:47 PM   #7708
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I don't want to post a link to it, but there are decoy smartphones that are created/sold specifically for reading RFID playing cards. They even come with a decoy controller that looks like a remote start for a vehicle (and could easily be refitted into a real remote start shell).

^Has this been discussed in the thread at all?

I remember learning about what I mentioned above here on 2+2. If I remember correctly, the thread got locked/edited for obvious reasons.
Interesting point. However, it's very clear that the phone under his crotch is an actual smart phone. He texts and uses Instagram on stream that you can clearly see, and then takes that phone and puts it under his crotch.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:47 PM   #7709
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FWIW - the maker of PokerGFX told Matt Berkey that Stones was "handling the delay" with the GFX software, not letting OBS do it. Which means from what he knows that the blue screen cheating method is impossible. But Matt's not 100% sure they didn't change it up or there could be some other explanation.
I'm going to download the trial of PokerGFX myself later today and pull it apart to test this.

Even if the live split stream option isn't available in the software the fact is that the database and cache of the live stream are still sitting on a computer that is at the hands of a potential cheating collaborator - there is no software feature that can protect against this threat model

I also hope PokerGFX has solid audit logging but I don't hold out hope since it isn't mentioned in the manual
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:47 PM   #7710
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Mike Postle was the 2015 Ante Up magazine player of the year.


In a dusty ass Under Armour hat. Classic.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:50 PM   #7711
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Then how do explain winning powerball? I have a client that literally won the jackpot on powerball twice. (True)

I should have checked if she had a blue screen, bulge in her hay and drove an infinity.

Read entire thread. ONLY proof he cheated is he won.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:50 PM   #7712
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In a dusty ass Under Armour hat. Classic.
Great find! Seems like the game passed him by and he decided to take variance out of the equation....
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:52 PM   #7713
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Really great arguments here. The theory of him pressing a button is interesting. Why he'd have to press a button, I'm not sure at all.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:54 PM   #7714
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I'm going to download the trial of PokerGFX myself later today and pull it apart to test this.

Even if the live split stream option isn't available in the software the fact is that the database and cache of the live stream are still sitting on a computer that is at the hands of a potential cheating collaborator - there is no software feature that can protect against this threat model

I also hope PokerGFX has solid audit logging but I don't hold out hope since it isn't mentioned in the manual
Instead of looking for a blue screen could you examine all the Postle phone footage with a script when he's in seat 1? I can get tons of views of his phone in seat 1 but have only identified him texting through clear text bubbles
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:08 PM   #7715
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Stones has turned into the Chinese government:
1.) Declaring Postle a god at poker
2.) Hiring non-pro commentators that can't easily question the believability of Postle being a god.
3.) Telling commentators they are not allowed to talk badly about the players. Thus, if commentators did have any doubts, they were told to suppress those doubts.
4.) Investigating themselves when complaints arose.
5.) Finding the investigation in their favor (no cheating took place everybody!)
6.) Employees/friends of establishment publicly humiliating whistleblower.
7.) Preventing free speech (Banning people from saying 'Mike Postle' after the incident).

What did I miss?
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:09 PM   #7716
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In a dusty ass Under Armour hat. Classic.
And his hands are in his crotch!
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:12 PM   #7717
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Stones has turned into the Chinese government:
1.) Declaring Postle a god at poker
2.) Hiring non-pro commentators that can't easily question the believability of Postle being a god.
3.) Telling commentators they are not allowed to talk badly about the players. Thus, if commentators did have any doubts, they were told to suppress those doubts.
4.) Investigating themselves when complaints arose.
5.) Finding the investigation in their favor (no cheating took place everybody!)
6.) Employees/friends of establishment publicly humiliating whistleblower.
7.) Preventing free speech (Banning people from saying 'Mike Postle' after the incident).


What did I miss?
They are banning people in the poker room for talking about him?
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:13 PM   #7718
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Has to be a world record for the word "crotch" being used in a single internet message board thread. Quite the accomplishment.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:15 PM   #7719
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Just to verify, once everything is said and done with the Mike Postle story, it will end up being the biggest poker story of all time. Correct?
not exactly,

#1 Black friday
#2 AB/UB cheating
#3 Full Tilt ran off with players money
#4 Negreanu married a girl
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:20 PM   #7720
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Instead of looking for a blue screen could you examine all the Postle phone footage with a script when he's in seat 1? I can get tons of views of his phone in seat 1 but have only identified him texting through clear text bubbles
I'm running blue screen + object detection for phones along with face recognition at the moment, it's just slow but it'll eventually post results (it's running slower than the frame rate of the videos but i'm going to parallelize it further)

Some of these tasks would be better to split up and assign out on Mechanical Turk and produce a comprehensive dataset of who played, when, hand history, seat positions, etc. - you can layer object detection on top of that but such a data set should prove very conclusive

There are also subtle little things that are hard to find - for ex. I spotted a video where it appears he is about to enable god mode, checks his phone and it appears it doesn't work, he then opens a text messaging session and subtly looks towards the TD booth after texting - he gets a response and then leaves his phone unlocked between his legs and is in god mode from then on

edit: here is part of that sequence:

https://streamable.com/uv4qv

note it freezes at the beginning because my ffmpeg slice missed a key frame

here is what I see there:

0:13 - sees a message notification and presses on it
0:16 - pulls back from table so nobody can see screen and reads message
0:23 - glances up towards TD booth
0:25 - presses 11-13 characters and space at least once and hits reply (not sure if we can figure out what he types here but the view is okish)
0:27 - doesn't lock his phone (screen still awake) and places it between his legs and pulls his chair back in

here's the glance



video slowed down 5x for those who don't want to download to slowdown or freeze etc.

https://streamable.com/3w3ux

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Old 10-11-2019, 11:22 PM   #7721
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Joey livestream coming up in 40 minutes

https://youtu.be/3i6SczPwMRY
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:23 PM   #7722
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We pushed it back until next week for right now.
Good to hear its still going down, looking forward to the next livestream/podcast!
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:25 PM   #7723
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It's beyond any reasonable doubt that he was cheating. A great player with lots of experience will occasionally get a read on his opponents behavior such that he has a sense of the strength of his hand. Once in a while, the great and experienced player will be wrong about his sense of his opponents behavior. Mike's defenders ask us to believe that during the streams which he spent a fair bit of time staring at the phone he had tucked between his legs under his crotch, that he was such a good player that he always knew(not just had a sense), that his opponent was strong or weak, but even more than that, how strong and how weak he was. Mike Postle, if he's not cheating, is infinitely better than the best player in the world, because he's perfect. Even being right 95% of the time is not within the realm of reasonable possibility.

I don't think a jury in a criminal court would find him guilty due to this because they wouldn't understand or believe it, buy maybe.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:29 PM   #7724
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Veronica (Angry_Polak):

I am remiss for not posting this earlier.

Many, many thanks for breaking this thing. It took a lot of courage.

You go our Canadian gal!




Your reaction here was epic and your contribution to the poker world will never be forgotten around twoplustwo:



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Old 10-11-2019, 11:30 PM   #7725
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I think it works out to every person in the US flipping a coin every 5 seconds for around the clock for 13 months straight.

Sounds reasonable.
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