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Old 10-11-2019, 05:38 PM   #7626
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This has come up before, so I'll reply in the thread:

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- checking an IP because a poster may be from a geographic area favoring "one side" of a debate, even if it is the "trolling" side, may be borderline abuse of mod power (this is solely my personal view).
I'm not suggesting any individual poster should be outed, I'm just genuinely curious if there really are random people out there who have no connection to this situation who, upon hearing about it from an unbiased perspective, came to the conclusion that he's not guilty, and felt so strongly about it that they made an account to voice their thoughts.
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:41 PM   #7627
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Many people are posting like the hat / bone conduction headset theory has been proven. Imo the evidence is weak. (Not the evidence of him cheating, which is solid.)

The padded hat look, the hair 'patch', the head pats, the forward/backward wearing - none of these are super convincing. Couple that with him taking the hat off at times during play and it seems like a big stretch to think this is how he's cheating.

Are others with me on this? Did I miss a warm-if-not-smoking gun somewhere in this thread?
I'm not convinced of the hat/bone conducting either. It's plausible at best. He definitely has something on his phone showing him his opponents cards.
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:45 PM   #7628
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Many people are posting like the hat / bone conduction headset theory has been proven. Imo the evidence is weak. (Not the evidence of him cheating, which is solid.)

The padded hat look, the hair 'patch', the head pats, the forward/backward wearing - none of these are super convincing. Couple that with him taking the hat off at times during play and it seems like a big stretch to think this is how he's cheating.

Are others with me on this? Did I miss a warm-if-not-smoking gun somewhere in this thread?
you are correct.... Most posters took for granted that he is using this tech, without any form of evidence. There was one picture posted with a "bulge" but that bulge could easily have been the seem of the hat under a slightly different angle/lighting.. This was also posted (edited photo i believe) earlier in the thread.

I have been extremely sceptic about him using this bone conducting device at it just complicates the issue of the cheating and detracts from the actual "proven" cheating going on. The same issue with the blue screen. I think i could easily get a list of 100 apps that would have a blue screen somehow/somewhere and its just a very flakey line of "attack" on Mike Postle...
The blue screen MIGHT have something to do with it, but also on this i have my doubts.
Also the "hiding phone against chest" clip to me does nothing.. i have literally been like that thousands of times in the bus/metro, in a poker game, next to the girlfriend as other female human beings have been sending me pictures and/or videos of themselves that i definitely would not like to share with anyone else....

I stand by earlier statement that he is guilty of cheating and still think most of the cheating was done solely by him, with "some" insider help from maybe "just" access to a laptop/stream to access to the peek room and other benefits...I just think you need to stop muddying the waters as a plaintiff too much... might become too murky at some point.
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:52 PM   #7629
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I'm not suggesting any individual poster should be outed, I'm just genuinely curious if there really are random people out there who have no connection to this situation who, upon hearing about it from an unbiased perspective, came to the conclusion that he's not guilty, and felt so strongly about it that they made an account to voice their thoughts.
I'd imagine most of us are just random people who have no connection to this situation; other than an interest in poker generally.
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:55 PM   #7630
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I'm not convinced of the hat/bone conducting either. It's plausible at best. He definitely has something on his phone showing him his opponents cards.
Yea, I agree. There's something in his hat for sure, but no one can really tell what he's doing with it. I'm pretty convinced that he is only touching his head to get a better angle at the dangle. That doesn't exclude the possibility he is getting cues from the booth, its just hard to tell if or when he is using it. But yea, the head touching part, I don't think its to hear better, but thats just a guess bc I've never tried them. Mb someone whos tried that exact setup could chime in
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:59 PM   #7631
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Re: odds he's not cheating: 1 googol! : 1

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I think it's more important to establish that Postle and Smith had a friendly relationship.... I have reason to believe that JFK wasn't taught how it worked until April 2019.
interesting, what you thinking about that date?

Whilst we're on the subject of personal relationships, may as well mention here JFK and commentator Justin Kelly mention in a stream they go back at least ten years. I am pretty agnostic on the commentator question though.

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Thank you my friend. It is all the attacks from strangers I am not used to. And it seems most of the posters here already see him hanging and are going all in to push u out of the pot with ure opinion.

Guess have to get used to this aggressive behaviour here. Guess we are all poker players..

Hopefully this whole thing will get solved soon. Trust me I want a clean game and if he cheated he should be punished.
you're right washoe, some posters are quick to jump down your throat, it is the internet after all. But they will be particularly eager if you turn up in a long thread and don't appear to be up to speed.

If you watch one thing, watch this brilliant video by Gumpnstein. If you're still not convinced by the end of it, come back here and i'm sure someone will politely point you to more info.

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No they weren't..... you're right, this IS fun!

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Old 10-11-2019, 06:01 PM   #7632
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1:10:00

Is this one posted yet?
This is one of the most rediculous hands i ever saw.
Would've have loved it if Rich went all-in for the full size of the pot on the river and Mike is screwed.
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:04 PM   #7633
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:08 PM   #7634
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I can't remember what podcast it was but this exact point was raised. It is a very legitimate curious discovery. It makes perfect sense for him to move his chips in order to access have access to his phone. It's great in hindsight though
Gumpnstein came up with the chip stack positioning a few days ago (not sure if also discussed on a podcast). Can read his post here

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a very good take imo
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:17 PM   #7635
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I think about this with logic and reason. I am new to the forum because the subject matter intrigues me. If you look at play before July 2018, his play was considerably different. You have to ask why? Typically a persons behavior remains somewhat constant.

Here’s what we know:
1. He was working on setting up his own “dream game” stream. This entailed testing a stream with the folks at stones. It is reasonable to have learned how to connect to the live stream during that process. Berkey showed just how easy it was to connect to the stream externally using IP.

2. Post July 2018 his play changes to where his phone and crotch theory comes into play and his results change significantly

3. When the phone ban comes into play, all of a sudden his play changes again to the hands over ears. I have no idea how bone conducting technology works, but it stands to reason this is possible.

4. Along with all the other Postle strange behavior (fake phone coming out of the pocket and hides the phone until he does something to enable him to use the phone normally), chip stack positioning, consistent seat location, etc

Add it up, together with the astounding results it’s pretty easy to conclude cheating is happening.

I imagine the stones system has to have record of IP addresses that connected to the stream, or some other technical forensic data to prove it.

The best thing about all this internet sleuthing is that it determines exact times to research for investigators.
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:29 PM   #7636
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you're right washoe, some posters are quick to jump down your throat, it is the internet after all. But they will be particularly eager if you turn up in a long thread and don't appear to be up to speed.
Hes clearly using misdirection and misinformation to rile up the thread, probably for attention. But good for you for taking the time to explain it to him like hes a 5yo.
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:41 PM   #7637
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When everything gets sorted out, the failure of Stones in the initial investigation (for whatever reason it happened, and we all have our theories here!) is going to be one of the most consequential things in the whole matter.



A casino that investigated seriously and thoroughly (as Stones, of course, infamously claimed it did) would have easily caught Postle.
Here is how I picture the investigation:

"Inspector" walks to the center of the casino and loudly calls a halt to all action...

"Has anyone seen Phil Ivey in here with an oriental girl in the last week or so?", he inquires.

"No? Carry on!"
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:44 PM   #7638
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I think a possible theory is that Mike got mad at stones and Justin because he wasnt able to do his dream poker show. When he was interviwed in 2017 he wanted it to be “many seasons” long. He got upset and possibly with Taylors help he screwed justin and everyone over by becoming a god on July 18th 2018
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:45 PM   #7639
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This just randomly showed up in my recommendations. I think it might be the origin of the "superstar theory" lol. This is what happens when flat-earthers and lizard people conspiracy theorists get a hold of story. Jumbling minor facts with misinformation and misdirection to prove some crazy ass theory bc the actual truth isn't enough for them, they have to live in a fantasy world bc they cant handle real life.

Side note, the footage he uses is so ****ing creeper status, showing the girls on the show on loop. I recommend watching on 2x+ speed, otherwise it is unwatchable.
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:48 PM   #7640
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Yea, I agree. There's something in his hat for sure, but no one can really tell what he's doing with it. I'm pretty convinced that he is only touching his head to get a better angle at the dangle. That doesn't exclude the possibility he is getting cues from the booth, its just hard to tell if or when he is using it. But yea, the head touching part, I don't think its to hear better, but thats just a guess bc I've never tried them. Mb someone whos tried that exact setup could chime in
I don't think you're watching the videos closely enough. He is not always staring at his magicDick when he squeezes the hat, and the squeezing of the hat is hella awkward.

The bone conduction theory is nowhere near as solid as the phone theory, for sure. But it's not an either/or.

I think about it like this:

* There is SOMETHING very odd about the hat, his behavior with the hat, etc.
* The bone-conduction explanation makes it all make sense: the way he pushes in, when he does, etc.

The one thing that for me speaks against it is that he tends (perhaps always?) to squeeze both sides of his head. Given how careless he is otherwise, saying "oh, he does that so it looks more natural" seems a weak line.
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:50 PM   #7641
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I think a possible theory is that Mike got mad at stones and Justin because he wasnt able to do his dream poker show. When he was interviwed in 2017 he wanted it to be “many seasons” long. He got upset and possibly with Taylors help he screwed justin and everyone over by becoming a god on July 18th 2018
Interesting theory. That's like someone getting mad at their employer and deciding to "stick it to the employer" by stealing from their co-workers. But hey; anything is possible right
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:50 PM   #7642
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THANK YOU JEFF BOSKI for compiling all this (best of MIKE !)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94OnKPP5kQ
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:56 PM   #7643
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THANK YOU JEFF BOSKI for compiling all this (best of MIKE !)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94OnKPP5kQ
I love how that video opens with a local news report on the cheating allegations, backed by stock images of... ROULETTE WHEELS!

Local news, don't ever change!
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:01 PM   #7644
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Here's a guide for people who want to defend Mike Postle:

I get it. I understand contrarianism. My parents (especially my mother) are contrarians. It's a lot of fun to go up against the prevailing wisdom. And to be clear- once in awhile, the prevailing wisdom is wrong. Richard Jewell didn't bomb the Olympic Park. The McMartin Preschool administrators and teachers were innocent. So contrarianism is important.

But if you want to defend Postle, what you need to do is not simply scream "witch hunt" or talk about presumptions of evidence, but actually come up with explanations for his actions.

Most importantly, in the hands. Postle told Mike Matusow that he's one of the best players in the world. So what was he doing in the JTo hand, where he calls the flop against a set of 9's and then folds the turn when he makes top pair? What was the mathematical or strategic or live-tell basis for all those crazy river bluffs that worked, etc. You want to put the work into this? We'll listen. Heck, a lot of people are watching Postle in these videos. You want to be his defense team? You can put in the work too- watch the other players! Maybe you will pick up some tell that Postle might have noticed, in their actions or their sizing or something. It's not going to be impossible to do this if Postle is actually innocent.

And then you also have to explain Postle's actions. Why does he look at his crotch and play with his hat? Why does he seem to know whether other players' cards are registering in the RFID? Why does he play like a God in some sessions and then play like a completely different player/playing style in other sessions? Etc.

There's plenty of room here for an actual Postle defense attorney. But a lot of people here have put in a lot of work. You want to play devil's advocate? That's fine- I don't mind a good devil's advocate. But put the work in and come up with something plausible. Don't just shout "witch hunt".
Bravo!

When someone can explain to me why he plays 95o like it's pocket Aces, yet plays an Ace high flush like it's a bluff catcher on a non paired board, all the while staring into his crotch, I'll listen.

Until then these trolls are just laughable fools here for free entertainment and nothing more.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:01 PM   #7645
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I don't think you're watching the videos closely enough. He is not always staring at his magicDick when he squeezes the hat, and the squeezing of the hat is hella awkward.

The bone conduction theory is nowhere near as solid as the phone theory, for sure. But it's not an either/or.

I think about it like this:

* There is SOMETHING very odd about the hat, his behavior with the hat, etc.
* The bone-conduction explanation makes it all make sense: the way he pushes in, when he does, etc.

The one thing that for me speaks against it is that he tends (perhaps always?) to squeeze both sides of his head. Given how careless he is otherwise, saying "oh, he does that so it looks more natural" seems a weak line.
Ok, Ill keep a look out for that, but yea I think I havent been watching as closely to that as others have. Someone whos really into this theory should buy one of these things and try it out. What kind of controls does it have? How well can you hear with it? Mb the booth was whispering to him?
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:02 PM   #7646
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Guys, I just thought of something crazy! So crazy it just might be true. What if bone conducting head set manufacturers set up this hole thing for marketing purposes? It makes total sense, no one knew about this before, and there is such a huge market for headphones in the poker community. Every one knows all REAL poker pros wear head phones when they play bc talking to people while playing poker is like so 2005. Now everyone in the poker world knows about bone conducting headsets, and its even made it into the main stream media! GUYS THIS ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! WHY IS NO ONE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE?!?!?!?!
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:05 PM   #7647
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Here is how I picture the investigation:



"Inspector" walks to the center of the casino and loudly calls a halt to all action...



"Has anyone seen Phil Ivey in here with an oriental girl in the last week or so?", he inquires.



"No? Carry on!"


Why was your imaginary inspector so racist? It did add a layer to the imagining tho
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:07 PM   #7648
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I'm not sure that his has been brought up yet but I think the positioning of his chips before and after godmode could be be very telling.


Not Godmode. Chips directly in front of him and phone on table.





Godmode on. Chips to his left allowing the slide back of his cards to the rail and a quick peek at the crotch.








Yes this was mentioned earlier, once he turned on godmode in July 2018 his chips moved to the left forever so he could have a better angle to see his cards(stare at his crotch)
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:16 PM   #7649
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That's what I was thinking too, maybe something like this?



The thing about this tweet thread that really stood out to me was the fact that he found evidence of the same unexplained/suspicious behavior occurring twice in the same four-hour stream. After watching the entire July 30th, 2018 session, Postle really does appear to play completely normal until around 1:03:00 which is when he initiates the first object move from his pants pocket to his shirt pocket. The timing of the first move is also very strange - he sits down, does nothing, gets dealt his cards, looks at his cards, and then just grabs something and puts it in his shirt pocket. Why not do this between hands, and why did he not look down or adjust his gaze at all during the process? It looks too smooth to be random as well, if I'm playing cards and then I suddenly remember something from my pocket, I have to fish it out, and I probably wouldn't do it after looking at my hand first. It seems.....coordinated?

If you watch that full stream, the next 15 minutes after the mystery object gets moved he plays several strange hands - although none as damning as the infamous J10 fold on 932 after he hits top pair on the turn vs 99. So he transfers it from his pants to his shirt while possibly engaging this unknown object, and then within 10-15 minutes he grabs his head for the first time ever and makes one of the craziest documented folds of the scandal thus far? Throw in the fact that he then gets caught doing a SECOND strange move during the exact same session - with what is likely the same object - and I think that there could be something here. These are weird enough on their own, and somehow it just so happens that these are from the very next stream after July 18th, 2018? Seems far-fetched to believe that's all just a coincidence.

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Old 10-11-2019, 07:22 PM   #7650
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Many people are posting like the hat / bone conduction headset theory has been proven. Imo the evidence is weak. (Not the evidence of him cheating, which is solid.)

The padded hat look, the hair 'patch', the head pats, the forward/backward wearing - none of these are super convincing. Couple that with him taking the hat off at times during play and it seems like a big stretch to think this is how he's cheating.

Are others with me on this? Did I miss a warm-if-not-smoking gun somewhere in this thread?
I'm not convinced by the hat theories either, just seems like a wild goose chase to me. Yeah it looks bulky here and there, but what does that prove? You could say anything about different clothing, shoes, shirt button etc. Maybe he inserted something into his body?
This isn't James Bond, or Mission Impossible, or even Mission Impostleable
Occam's razor - it's 2 guys and a phone.

Staring at his crotch every time he is faced with a decision for 1000's of dollars, needs some explanation.
Doesn't seem like the best way to get tells or make a soul read, just by staring at your own crotch.
(Unless there's a Mike Caro's 'book of Crotch Tells' or something, maybe?)

I have an amusing theory for that though Maybe he is such an extreme degen gambler, that risking everything with 5 high isn't exciting enough for him anymore and he just has to check his sports betting/make more sports bets & watch porn all together right at that exact same moment.
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