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Old 10-11-2019, 02:12 AM   #7451
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Probably previously reported, but just in case it hasn't:

Here we can see Mike nervously looking around and then pretending to pull his phone out of his left pocket, while it's clear that he is actually grabbing it from under the table. Also note how he tries to hide his phone and making some weird moves with his fingers (switching apps?) before he starts texting.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/286409381?t=03h43m08s
Reaching to the left (his right): He forgot which pocket his phone was in / wallet check.

The hiding phone/finger movement: HTC pattern unlock (his password to the phone.)
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:15 AM   #7452
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It kind of looks like he may be pretending to pull his phone out of his pocket when it was on his lap but I've slowed it don't to quarter speed and can't catch a definitive frame of the camera in his hand before the pocket pull. I'm not sure. Also the guy next to him has his phone out and on the table.

The move does look like he's doing some weird sleight of hand though. Could be he has the cheating app open is going to put his phone back in his pocket but then changes his mind realizing he should close the cheating app before he does that. Look how close he holds the phone to his body when he first uses it. That would be my guess.
You can definitely see the corner of the phone in his right hand right before making the move when viewing at .25x
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:24 AM   #7453
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You can definitely see the corner of the phone in his right hand right before making the move when viewing at .25x
Can confirm. Phone is 100% in right hand when you slow it down (very hard to see @ full speed). Sneaky sleight of hand to switch it over.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:24 AM   #7454
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the image recognition algorithm that is trained to find Postle with his phone open to PokerGFX just produced its first hit
It found someone with the blue screen on his phone here:
can somebody flick through the video and confirm who that is please?
It looked like J.F. Keraitus to me, but it's impossible to know for sure. Note that whoever it was might have a blue background on their SMS/text chat app and be unconnected to the conspiracy.
I hope your AI bots find some more goodies like this.
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Hand above and the following hands from 8/10/18 stream. Mike is cheating here. I don't believe he's cheating every hand as he is the 5 seat and has to make allowance for people beside and behind him seeing his actions. Suspicious hands for Arty to add to spreadsheet:
Very nice work.
The original creator of the spreadsheet apparently locked it down and/or moved it to a new (non-public) location. I made a copy and added notes and links to your posts about this session. If you PM me, I think can give you a link to an updated sheet. I'm not very techno-savvy. :/
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I just confirmed that Postle was cheating on July 20th, 2019. The #s on the spreadsheet are wrong though. He initially bought in for $500 but then later added ~$1500. Then, in this video, https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk , you can see he has $1900 but in the very next hand tops off to $3.1k to match Kevin Racks in chips.
The bolded turned my stomach. Didn't Racks die within days of being superused?
Thanks very much for the correction on the rebuys. As with isolated's research, I've added notes and a link to your post in a new (editable) version of the spreadsheet. PM me for a link if you want it.
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We should add who's commentating to the investigation sheet and see if there is a pattern between commentator's and Mike on God mode or not.
I don't really have the time to do this in the next couple of days, but I agree that it might be useful. If nothing else, it makes each session slightly easier to identify/remember if you note the commentators. They all start blending into one after you've looked a few.
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On what date did the camera angles that are used for the live stream change? Why was it changed so that if the action isnt on seat 1 or seat 2 they couldnt be seen?
It's certainly possible that a crew member altered the camera angles to avoid showing so much of Postle. I think they even might have started giving Postle less "air time" (by selecting different camera shots live) precisely to allow him to look at his crotch without the cameras seeing it. (I presume the 'TV director' manually chooses which camera feed to record in OBS, but maybe it's automated and linked to the action tracker program).

I believe that the table itself is sometimes moved across the room slightly (for whatever reason - it's effectively just a big piece of furniture) and there are sometimes more or fewer people in the game, so the overheard cameras have to be adjusted by the production crew either just before, or in the first few minutes of, a session.
When Keraitus was in Vegas, and Smith was acting as floor manager and commentator (but not the graphics/peek room guy) for a non-cheating 'Postle and Pals' stream, Smith had to leave the commentary booth to adjust the camera angles. For parts of the stream a camera boom/pole is right in the middle of the picture with a phone on the end. See 12:07. If memory serves, Smith was so busy with commentating, floor-managing, and chat-modding, that he ended up not bothering to fix that problem.
If he was an accomplice, there was no need to cover up Mike's play in that session, because he'd be aware that Postle was not cheating. Postle (who doesn't even wear a hat) apparently bought the wine for the table and they just had a good ole time.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:45 AM   #7455
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My top picks for the upcoming Crotchripper movie

Mike Postle: Woody Harrelson
JFK: Billy Eichner
Veronica Brill: Emma Stone
Joey Ingram: Jake Gyllenhaal
Doug Polk: Chris Pratt but the one from Parks and Rec
Matt Berkey: Adam Driver
Mike Matusow: Danny Devito
Matusow - randy quaid
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:58 AM   #7456
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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It's certainly possible that a crew member altered the camera angles to avoid showing so much of Postle. I think they even might have started giving Postle less "air time" (by selecting different camera shots live) precisely to allow him to look at his crotch without the cameras seeing it.
Maybe.

But my question is, how is it possible the people sitting right beside him didn't notice him looking down at his phone in his lap? Especially if these players were not in the hand with Mike at the time?

If you're watching the action when not involved, you typically (at least I do this) observe the participants closely. Suppose you are in the number 1 seat with Mike in his favorite number 2 seat. You fold pre. Mike plays the hand, does his crotch whispering spiel throughout the hand, sneaking a peek multiple times. How do you not notice this?

Especially when it seems he's trying to hide it! If he were just looking at his phone in his lap occasionally, not really caring if you noticed, even when he's involved in a hand, you could just say, "OK, he's interested in the delayed stream, he's watching sports action, he's texting his gf, he's multi-tasking..." Whatever. Because he doesn't care if you notice.

But if he's got the phone buried in his crotch, and he is clearly taking subtle peeks down there... Sure, the streaming cameras can't really pick it up when he's in seat 2. But why don't the players, especially seat 1 and 3?

And definitely when some of the players in that game clearly had suspicions about him! I would be watching him like a hawk if I thought he was cheating. Every time he was in a hand I would be observing him closely. And for him to cheat, he needs info, so I would especially be interested in what he does while in hands to get that info. I'd be looking to see if someone is signaling him, where he looks, if he talks to anyone, and definitely how he interacts with his phone.

This almost seems like something that his defense attorney could use effectively! "So you had concerns about my client because he beat you in many hands? And you played with him 3 times over the past year, spanning over 15 hours of play at the table. Since you were so concerned, what did you notice at the table? Nothing suspicious, correct, since you never alerted anyone while playing about something you saw Mike doing while playing? Why? It only seems you had concerns later, after losing money to my client and wanting it back, isn't that correct?"
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:01 AM   #7457
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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My top picks for the upcoming Crotchripper movie

Mike Postle: Woody Harrelson
JFK: Billy Eichner
Veronica Brill: Emma Stone
Joey Ingram: Jake Gyllenhaal
Doug Polk: Chris Pratt but the one from Parks and Rec
Matt Berkey: Adam Driver
Mike Matusow: Danny Devito
Joey Cochran: Joey Ingram
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:08 AM   #7458
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Maybe.

But my question is, how is it possible the people sitting right beside him didn't notice him looking down at his phone in his lap? Especially if these players were not in the hand with Mike at the time?

If you're watching the action when not involved, you typically (at least I do this) observe the participants closely. Suppose you are in the number 1 seat with Mike in his favorite number 2 seat. You fold pre. Mike plays the hand, does his crotch whispering spiel throughout the hand, sneaking a peek multiple times. How do you not notice this?

Especially when it seems he's trying to hide it! If he were just looking at his phone in his lap occasionally, not really caring if you noticed, even when he's involved in a hand, you could just say, "OK, he's interested in the delayed stream, he's watching sports action, he's texting his gf, he's multi-tasking..." Whatever. Because he doesn't care if you notice.

But if he's got the phone buried in his crotch, and he is clearly taking subtle peeks down there... Sure, the streaming cameras can't really pick it up when he's in seat 2. But why don't the players, especially seat 1 and 3?

And definitely when some of the players in that game clearly had suspicions about him! I would be watching him like a hawk if I thought he was cheating. Every time he was in a hand I would be observing him closely. And for him to cheat, he needs info, so I would especially be interested in what he does while in hands to get that info. I'd be looking to see if someone is signaling him, where he looks, if he talks to anyone, and definitely how he interacts with his phone.

This almost seems like something that his defense attorney could use effectively! "So you had concerns about my client because he beat you in many hands? And you played with him 3 times over the past year, spanning over 15 hours of play at the table. Since you were so concerned, what did you notice at the table? Nothing suspicious, correct, since you never alerted anyone while playing about something you saw Mike doing while playing? Why? It only seems you had concerns later, after losing money to my client and wanting it back, isn't that correct?"
He fake peeled his cards and just slightly looked down inbetween his legs for the most part. He got better with it over time. Most people had phones so using a phone isnt uncommon. He hid his eyes with his hat for some of the time. The players trusted stones, they trusted Mike, they would never in a million years suspect someone is looking at there phone to look at the hole cards in real time. Mike was friends with many of them. After the fact it seems obvious to everyone but during the con you wouldnt suspect it.

He never wore sunglasses (except one stream oddly lol), he didnt ever wear headphones. These are just two key things you would look for if you suspected cheating. Before July 18th 2018 he was interacting with his phone alot. After July 18th he rarely interacted with it (well besides looking down at it) A normal indivdual would think, o “Nothing is wrong here he isnt even using his phone”.

When he had his glasses hanging from his shirt for many streams how could you think this guy was cheating with his eyes. Because a normal individual would think if he is using his eyes to cheat he would put those glasses on. He used those glasses that were hanging on his shirt as a sub conscious diversion. He used the keys on the table as a diversion. MIKE IS A SICK INDIVIDUAL!

Mike is in a way also an evil genius and ironically Mike Postle says himself here in 2017 during his “dream seat poker show”. (Timestamps included)

At about 04:15:00 mike is back in the booth.
At 04:20:00 Mike Postle agrees with a viewer about being a mad scientist and evil genius at the same time. And laughs about it. Odd and ironic. Check it out!

At 04:23:40 Justin Kelly makes an odd comment saying’ “live poker is rigged”. And postle jokes “of course” and rolls his eyes.

https://youtu.be/s-AuY0YsEt4

Its with anything really. Imagine if you got pick pocketed by someone and then you were shown the video of the pick pocketer. After watching the video you would say “I wont let that happen to me”. But thats after the fact. Mike pulled off the ultimate con. He conned his friends, he conned the viewers, he conned commentators like Veronica, he is still trying to con, but thankfully he finally got caught/ well sortof caught at the very least he is finally exposed. Feels like im rambling here a bit so ill leave it at that. You guys like this rambling summary?

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Old 10-11-2019, 03:14 AM   #7459
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any updates worth anything yet? I stopped on page like 180 and I just can't go through each one...
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:15 AM   #7460
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On a lighter note, we have RaisingTheNuts' take on the situation:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYxcXlHtS5A
Loved it.
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:17 AM   #7461
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The more I think about it, I start to doubt that other women who claims she approached JFK about the cheating allegations back in March. If that is true it would be next to impossible to comfirm with Justin. Than why on earth did she attack Veronica when she finaly had the balls to speak up publicly. Just doesnt make sense to attack her publicly after you yourself had suspected cheating 6months previously.
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:42 AM   #7462
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The more I think about it, I start to doubt that other women who claims she approached JFK about the cheating allegations back in March. If that is true it would be next to impossible to comfirm with Justin. Than why on earth did she attack Veronica when she finaly had the balls to speak up publicly. Just doesnt make sense to attack her publicly after you yourself had suspected cheating 6months previously.
While I don't think diving into this will enhance the thread at all, it is a good question if that is the actual chronology of this all.

Aside from all that I just want to thank Joey, Veronica, Doug etc and everyone that has done any research at all to blow this thing wide open. I rarely post but I've been an active reader/consumer of everything poker related for the last 16 or so years and I think its amazing to see the community come together for something like this to protect the game we all love.
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:53 AM   #7463
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This Mike Postle sounds like a real jerk!
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:00 AM   #7464
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This Mike Postle sounds like a real jerk!
You should hear about this Albert Fish guy
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:18 AM   #7465
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The bolded turned my stomach. Didn't Racks die within days of being superused?
This is the worst part of this by far. I hope if the lawsuit is sucsessful his family get something out of this.
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:22 AM   #7466
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If the only thing that comes of this, is that it brought Doug and Matt Berke together to do a podcast I'm happy.
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:28 AM   #7467
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I decided to transcribe a hand, to see if it looked more believable when written down. It did not.
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Stones Live - $1/$3 + $25 UTG straddle - NLH - 9 players
Hand converted by watching YouTube with my eyes

SB posts SB 0.33 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts straddle 8.33BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 9.67 BB)

UTG+1 folds, fold, UTG+3 raises to 20 BB, fold, CO raises to 100 BB, BTN calls, SB calls, fold, fold.

Flop: (409 BB, 4 players) 4 Q Q

SB checks, UTG+3 checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (409 BB, 4 players) 5

SB bets 143.33 BB, UTG+3 looks down at crotch and raises to 400 BB, fold, fold, SB announces that he's drunk and raises to 1000 BB, UTG+3 raises to 1666.67 BB, fold

Spoiler:
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:44 AM   #7468
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I decided to transcribe a hand, to see if it looked more believable when written down. It did not.
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Stones Live - $1/$3 + $25 UTG straddle - NLH - 9 players
Hand converted by watching YouTube with my eyes

SB posts SB 0.33 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts straddle 8.33BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 9.67 BB)

UTG+1 folds, fold, UTG+3 raises to 20 BB, fold, CO raises to 100 BB, BTN calls, SB calls, fold, fold.

Flop: (409 BB, 4 players) 4 Q Q

SB checks, UTG+3 checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (409 BB, 4 players) 5

SB bets 143.33 BB, UTG+3 looks down at crotch and raises to 400 BB, fold, fold, SB announces that he's drunk and raises to 1000 BB, UTG+3 raises to 1666.67 BB, fold

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Was this vs the asian guy?
This hand was adressed in some video and crotchman claimed to the commentators that the graphics were wrong and he had AQ, IIRC.
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:53 AM   #7469
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Does anyone else think it is hilarious that Mike Postle’s twitter banner at the top is a picture of him looking down towards crotch area lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mike_Postle
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:56 AM   #7470
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Does anyone else think it is hilarious that Mike Postle’s twitter banner at the top is a picture of him looking down towards crotch area lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mike_Postle
no...cap back just gaze down instead of entire head and body
We all know this ain't no godmode mike
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:23 AM   #7471
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Hi everyone : A VIDEO 5 or 10 minutes long edit should be done and posted on youtube including all the evidence we have until now (i can't do it don't have the time)

1- Intro to who is mike postle how he has never won anything ( and how he consider himself one of the best poker players )his relationship with jfk
2- how mike used to play before 18 of july with the phone and the ipad on the table how he used to be an average player
3- The incrimiinating hands after 18 of july and his winnings on all the sessions
4- veronica video on how she is saying that something is fishy and how jfk responded
5- Joey and doug small clips of how they investigated
6- part The famous interview of mike matusow and the stupid answers of Mike
7- the 2+2 investigation results

anyone who could do this would make the work of the Police , Judges , and lawyers much more simple than having to dig in this forum and on youtube for evidence
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:27 AM   #7472
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Just the 1st post here should be kept updated.
new stuff keeps coming in.
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Old 10-11-2019, 05:47 AM   #7473
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Taylor (the graphics guy)has a twitch and this is one of his videos from his channel. If you want you can click on his info on his channel page, and try to join his discord server to ask him about what happened. He also has facebook and twitter with links on his channel info, Im not familiar with that.

His Discord server is called Terrorville

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/154979840

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Old 10-11-2019, 06:07 AM   #7474
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This Mike Postle sounds like a real jerk!
I heard someone he was a fun guy......
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:12 AM   #7475
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Probably previously reported, but just in case it hasn't:

Here we can see Mike nervously looking around and then pretending to pull his phone out of his left pocket, while it's clear that he is actually grabbing it from under the table. Also note how he tries to hide his phone and making some weird moves with his fingers (switching apps?) before he starts texting.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/286409381?t=03h43m08s
That is a stellar find. He looks so dodgy. Obviously impostble that he pulled the phone out from the jeans without shifting in his seat more.
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