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Old 10-10-2019, 05:25 PM   #7326
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Yeah I can’t believe I left that out. The only reason Apostle stopped being the biggest winner in the history of online poker is due to a blood clot and his doctor told him he had to retire.

Also a really sensible defense that I haven’t seen brought up enough is the fact that the GOAT played and crushed the biggest games in the history of UB, so clearly 1/3 and 5/5 is just an opportunity for him to blow off steam.

The reason his VPIP is 70% is because these stakes are nothing to him compared to playing 100/200 HU vs Dwan (I believe Veronica even mentioned this on stream and Mike being so wonderfully humble just chuckled). Additionally he combines WORLD class reading skills, YEARS of experience in the toughest games and lineups at the HIGHEST stakes, and everyone even Doug and Joey will acknowledge that the biggest edges in NLHE are going to be post flop, so naturally a God of poker will try and get post flop as much as possible. I’m actually surprised he’s not VPIPing closer to 80-90% with the skill set he possesses.

I will acknowledge that him staring at his crotch was initially pretty damning. However I offer everyone this theory. I’d like to preface this theory with this is something I’ve used to my advantage before (never at a poker table) and I believe would explain not only Mikes “odd” behavior and mannerisms but how he literally seems to be omnipotent at the table. Chrystal’s and energy stones. I know a lot of you are scoffing right now but just hear me out. What if Mike was given very powerful energy stones and this would pretty much explain EVERYTHING.

Hear me out..

Mike was/is the largest winner in the history of online poker. He was forced to quit due to blood clots and his doctor urging him to stop. Mike lives in Northern California. For those of you unfamiliar with that part of the world, it’s very new age-y and progressive. There are a lot of homeopathic Doctors who practice Eastern Medicine and Shamanism. Side-note: I think Bonomo is into this stuff and he’s pretty much the Postle of tournaments. Now what if Postle was being treated for his blood clots by a Shaman and was given very powerful stones and crystals. Originally he probably used them for their healing properties but once he saw first hand the power of these stones he realized he could incorporate them into other areas of his life like poker (I would encourage any non believers to research this subject, I will provide links).

Mikes less handsome brother has already gone on record saying MP looks for all the angles. This is when this theory really clicked in my head. As someone who has experienced the power of stones and crystals, I knew Mike had tapped into something powerful. Now to get back on track...if you suddenly show up at a poker table holding powerful stones and crystals people are not only going to be weirded out/look at you funny, but other players could quickly figure out the power and energy Mike was tapping into, hence why it was in his best interest to keep them out of sight/camera. There are people who are far more knowledgeable on this subject then myself, who I hope to chime in, but your hands sort of work as a conductor to harness the energy, so it’s necessary to be holding the stones and crystals to receive optimal benefits from them. This is why Mikes hands were always under the table, clearly holding something, and also explains why he’d look down so often, as again, other shamans could explain this, but he was aligning himself throughout sessions to charge his chakra’s

A lot of you after researching this subject are going to bring up the ethics of using these stones and crystals at the poker table. As far as I’m aware it’s not illegal but obviously it would be frowned upon by a lot of people. I don’t personally want to get into the ethics of this argument and I’ll reserve my opinion for a later time.

Fast forward to the first Stones investigation (also the irony that Mike was likely using powerful stones at a casino called Stones is very meta and interesting). Mike was found innocent of any wrong doing and it would make sense that the “stone theory” wasn’t something that Stones casino wanted to make public, probably because it’s not illegal. I think at this point they asked Mike to no longer use crystals and stones in the manner he did because it looked odd and suspicious how he would always be staring into his lap. At this point I believe Mike inserted the stones into his hat. I believe this perfectly explains the bone conductor/bulging hat theory. Again I’m no expert but in addition to the hands, a person’s temples are one of the main chakras and areas to absorb energy.

Again I want to say I’m not 100,000% on the “Stones theory”, but I feel pretty confident about it. It’s not something Mike planned on coming out with publicly due to many reasons outlined above but obviously he has no choice now. A lot of people are going to laugh this off which is why Apostle is mum on the subject, but I have a strong intuition that he’ll likely be coming forward with this theory soon enough.
Joey Cochran is digging in and gaining momentum.

Feels like somebody is gonna have to trick Postle into stealing his own memorabilia back at gunpoint to ensure that justice is served.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:28 PM   #7327
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Wait, what?

This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...

Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?
Why is this strange?

"Settle" is defendant pays plaintiff some amount of money and plaintiff agrees to drop charges The amount of the settlement is open to negotiation. It doesn't have to match any amount lost or anything like that. It's just the amount that both parties agree on.

This is how most lawsuits end. It's faster / safer / easier / cheaper.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:31 PM   #7328
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

My thinking is he was allowed one night to use there streaming laptop to test his idea/layout for his "dream seat game" or whatever that was.

I imagine it was probably after stream hours and was a relaxed atmosphere between buddies.(think guys in a garage drinking and messing around with cars)

Then Postle went into the OBS and GFX programs and got all the info he needed discretely so that he could run it on his phone later. That's my theory. Obviously though 1 or 2 other people could be in on it. I also think he was friendly enough with them that when Justin was out of town they might have been using a different laptop for the stream and Mike just checked those settings as well
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:32 PM   #7329
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1. I played tons on UB, as much as anyone at that time with the exception of a handful of players.
2. I was friendly with Mike as he was a likable guy.
3. Mike was a very good player (relative to the time, players progressed rapidly in skill post UB era)
4. Mike was friendly with all of the ambassadors (I wasn't one).
5. Mike definitely wasn't even remotely close to being one of the most profitable players, in fact, he didn't play huge volume, nor did he play big cash games often. He did play frequently, but not anything to which you give him credit.
6. Mike definitely cheated. Any statement to the contrary ignores logic, ignores the cumulative evidence -yes, granted it's circumstantial - but based on his overt poor hiding of the cheating, and his repeated and clear use of his phone at critical moments, you would have to either be stupid and/or complicit to ignore the totality of it all.

* I just edited. I don't post here often, so I just realized there is a chance this post was sarcastic as hell, if so, I apologize!
How come Mike was contacted by the lead investigator of the UB scandal and told he was the most profitable player in the history of the site?

I do feel that the “stone theory” I laid out in a previous post could really explain a lot of mikes odd behavior, run good, and clear up a lot of allegations. I think without a smoking gun it’s worth weighing every theory in the meantime.

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Old 10-10-2019, 05:34 PM   #7330
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Shocked this post isn’t getting more attention and the “stone theory” isn’t being discussed more.
I'm not sure which is sadder - the initial post, or you coming back less than 2 hours later to bump it.

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Old 10-10-2019, 05:35 PM   #7331
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No one runs like he did, period.
I agree with you, but I think that there is an important distinction to make here. This is not about running well. Running well is when you hit all your draws, or you are on the good end of a lot of coolers. That's not what's happening here. He is not getting any luckier than anyone else.

What's happening here is that he is pretending to look at his cards, while clearly looking down at his phone instead, and then making plays that only make sense if you know your opponents cards. And he is doing this over and over and over again.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:35 PM   #7332
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The poker theory/state of the games discussion between Polk and Berkey in this live stream is great. Berkey is one of the smartest poker players I've ever heard. Just no bullshit - all substance. I could listen to him talk about poker or tech all day.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:36 PM   #7333
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So I was actually starting to feel a little sorry for Postle last night just bc the world is coming down on him...until I saw the stream with Kevin Racks. For those who dont know, Kevin Racks was a poker player who was terminally ill with Sarcoma and was trying to raise awareness through poker. So he played on Stones Live on July 20th w Postle.

AND MIKE POSTLE CHEATED THIS TERMINALLY ILL MAN ON THE JULY 20th STREAM. WHAT A PIECE OF SHI* MIKE POSTLE IS!
Well........ maybe kevin got rake back?
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:42 PM   #7334
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If you’re Postle, do you try and make a deal with the people you cheated or stay strong with your story?
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:42 PM   #7335
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the image recognition algorithm that is trained to find Postle with his phone open to PokerGFX just produced its first hit

It found someone with the blue screen on his phone here:



The timeframe is printed in the result image (31:42) and this video is this one here:

https://youtu.be/bD4Up3hp2G4?t=1901

the video is "$5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Chris Moneymaker" and it was published on Jan 4, 2018

can somebody flick through the video and confirm who that is please?
I'm pretty sure that's JFK. How many people are running around there with an unbuttoned suit jacket? I think someone (maybe Veronica) said he does get the live stream.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:49 PM   #7336
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I'm pretty sure that's JFK. How many people are running around there with an unbuttoned suit jacket? I think someone (maybe Veronica) said he does get the live stream.
It does look like JFK, the hair matches. I don't remember JFK having that bad of posture. But that said, I can't confirm. I watched about 20 minutes before and after, and don't see that person again.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:53 PM   #7337
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Unless McEachern has gambled away his money or something, he does not need whatever Stones paid him.

Do you know what A-list ESPN announcers make? (Hint: it's got to be at least mid-six figures.) EDIT: I know that net worth sites aren't necessarily gospel, but his net worth is listed at $5 million by one of them. He doesn't need Stones' money.

You are right, though, that I don't know the circumstances of how Moneymaker came to be invited.
Sorry mate; you've added a lot of good posts to this thread, but Lon is not an ESPN A-lister. That $5 million net worth is what ESPN pays annually to their A-listers. I'm sure Lon is smart and has been able to monetize the fact that he is considered "the voice of poker"; and surely the Stones probably doesn't "pay well", but Lon (in the realm of ESPN) is certainly not an A-lister. I agree, he doesn't need the money Stones pays him. Lon is like the world's best bowler sitting at a table with hall of fame NFL players: there are A-listers at that table, but Lon isn't one of them
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:54 PM   #7338
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Some people in this thread seriously waste their time on 2+2.should seriously work for the fbi or Cia or smt like that instead. Image recognition algorhytm for the blue screen is so gangsta. Seriously. Would love to hear more on that, which programming language etc. Pm me pls whoever did it, mad probs.

The detective work done here is quite insane and restores my hope in humanity :x
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:57 PM   #7339
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If you’re Postle, do you try and make a deal with the people you cheated or stay strong with your story?
The people he cheated are the least of his problems at this point. He needs to worry about staying out of prison.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:00 PM   #7340
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Some people in this thread seriously waste their time on 2+2.should seriously work for the fbi or Cia or smt like that instead. Image recognition algorhytm for the blue screen is so gangsta. Seriously. Would love to hear more on that, which programming language etc. Pm me pls whoever did it, mad probs.

The detective work done here is quite insane and restores my hope in humanity :x
Work for the FBI or CIA?
We got the ****ing DIA here at 2+2!
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:05 PM   #7341
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So I was actually starting to feel a little sorry for Postle last night just bc the world is coming down on him...until I saw the stream with Kevin Racks. For those who dont know, Kevin Racks was a poker player who was terminally ill with Sarcoma and was trying to raise awareness through poker. So he played on Stones Live on July 20th w Postle.

AND MIKE POSTLE CHEATED THIS TERMINALLY ILL MAN ON THE JULY 20th STREAM. WHAT A PIECE OF SHI* MIKE POSTLE IS!
I just confirmed that Postle was cheating on July 20th, 2019. The #s on the spreadsheet are wrong though. He initially bought in for $500 but then later added ~$1500. Then, in this video, https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk , you can see he has $1900 but in the very next hand tops off to $3.1k to match Kevin Racks in chips.

Mike is in this game for at least $3200. He finished the game with $4700.

This hand is why he had to add chips in the first place:


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Old 10-10-2019, 06:11 PM   #7342
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https://youtu.be/st3VIBe0PE4?t=2515

42:00 timestamp. Postle looks at his phone for awhile and we can see the screen right before he puts it into his lap. Do you guys see anything besides texting?
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:12 PM   #7343
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We should add who's commentating to the investigation sheet and see if there is a pattern between commentator's and Mike on God mode or not.

I certainly believe that surely not all commentators are in on this, but it might be that some are.

For example when Veronica was commentating , she was rightfully deducing that Mike's style does not make sense. The co-commentator then kinda ignored that dismissed those comments.

Like if there are 2 , somewhat decent commentators, commentating for a certain decent amount of time and seeing Mike God mode then naturally the will strike a conversation about how he can do this, what's going on etc. This never happens.

It could very well be that Mike only God Mode's when a certain, one of a couple certain people are commentating. So that he know's they will overrule any suspicion talk and just throw in a meme and talk about how much of a God he is.

I will not be surprised
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:26 PM   #7344
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https://youtu.be/st3VIBe0PE4?t=4882

Funny hand, Postle's hand is not picked up by the reader. He just happens to try to get his cards to scan for some reason? Not really any evidence because the dealer may have just said something, but its another hand where Postle behaves strangely.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:34 PM   #7345
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I’m actually surprised he’s not VPIPing closer to 80-90% with the skill set he possesses.
You're joking but in one stream he had a 91% vpip.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:36 PM   #7346
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the image recognition algorithm that is trained to find Postle with his phone open to PokerGFX just produced its first hit

It found someone with the blue screen on his phone here:


can somebody flick through the video and confirm who that is please?
It's not the exact same color blue, but the Pineapple OFC app that myself and like 50% of the poker room I play in use 24/7 has a blue background.

Just slightly playing devil's advocate
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:36 PM   #7347
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Okay guys need some help.

https://youtu.be/st3VIBe0PE4?t=5650

At around 1:34:10, Postle opens a program on his phone. His screen goes black and then some symbol appears on the screen. Anyone know what app he's opening? Could be nothing. This is the only app i could identify distinctly from texting.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:39 PM   #7348
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Merely accusing someone of a wrong doing or criminal act isn't necessarily defamation. That said; being accused of a crime (a high profile crime) can make you a public figure (albeit involuntarily). Most of us didn't know who Charles Manson was before he was arrested/charged, thus he became an involuntary public figure (arguably) based on being charged with serious crimes (being charged is basically being accused). At that point any potential defamation should have to meet the higher bar, in my opinion. Going back to MP; I don't think anyone really knew who he was prior to Veronica going public: thus (albeit I could be wrong) no one was really saying anything (publicly) about MP that really could be defamatory.
There's a lot wrong here.

1. Falsely accusing someone of a criminal act is not only generally defamatory, it's defamation per se in most states, meaning you don't have to prove damages. (The exception is some people may be "defamation-proof". So, for instance, falsely accusing OJ Simpson of a crime might not be actionable if his reputation is already as a violent criminal who got a way with murder.)

2. We are not sure that there is even such a thing as an "involuntary public figure". The Supreme Court defined a limited purpose public figure as someone who voluntarily injects themselves into a public issue or concern.

It is THEORIZED that perhaps someone as notable as a Manson might be an involuntary public figure. But the cases are in conflict as to whether that is true, and in general, the rule is you CANNOT be a public figure merely because of what others say about you, absent some sort of voluntary accession to publicity.

3. Postle is a classic limited purpose public figure as to Stones' live streams, because he voluntarily appeared on those streams, gave interviews, tweeted, and otherwise sought publicity as to that limited purpose.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:42 PM   #7349
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Sorry mate; you've added a lot of good posts to this thread, but Lon is not an ESPN A-lister. That $5 million net worth is what ESPN pays annually to their A-listers. I'm sure Lon is smart and has been able to monetize the fact that he is considered "the voice of poker"; and surely the Stones probably doesn't "pay well", but Lon (in the realm of ESPN) is certainly not an A-lister. I agree, he doesn't need the money Stones pays him. Lon is like the world's best bowler sitting at a table with hall of fame NFL players: there are A-listers at that table, but Lon isn't one of them
If you want to define Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit and Dick Vitale as their a-list, fine, I agree he's not that.

But he's a very significant player at ESPN. Their WSOP coverage has made them a lot of money and he is the lead voice on those broadcasts for the last 17 years. He makes plenty of money, which was my point.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:43 PM   #7350
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For all the other sleuths out there, I highly recommend watching Postle videos where he is sitting in seat 1. There are so many clear shots of his phone in seat 1. If you can see his phone screen when he is getting a feed, that is very hard evidence he is cheating.
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