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Old 10-10-2019, 03:29 PM   #7301
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Hand above and the following hands from 8/10/18 stream. Mike is cheating here. I don't believe he's cheating every hand as he is the 5 seat and has to make allowance for people beside and behind him seeing his actions. Suspicious hands for Arty to add to spreadsheet:

Hand 1: Not that bad but suspicious nonetheless.
https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=5743 - faces bet otf checks dick @1:36:03

Hand 2: Not that bad but suspicious nonetheless.
https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=9795 - 2:43:15 checks crotch preflop but AQ isn't on yet however, camera cuts and he surely knows opponent has AQ by the time we get to the next dick check at 2:44:23.

Hand 3: Pretty suspicious.
https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=12415 - At 3:27:12 Mike scoots his chair back an inch to see his phone when facing $400 bet otf w/open ender. He bets $200 ott into $1.4k. He doesn't bet river so that's kinda weird if he knows cards.

Hand 4: Almost certainly cheating.
https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=3481 - one quoted from my earlier post.

Hand 5: Extremely suspicious.
64o raising turn w/gutter after x'ing back flop which is absurd so I'll embed it and urge you to watch:


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Old 10-10-2019, 03:30 PM   #7302
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Did you know he also has a health condition?
Yeah I can’t believe I left that out. The only reason Apostle stopped being the biggest winner in the history of online poker is due to a blood clot and his doctor told him he had to retire.

Also a really sensible defense that I haven’t seen brought up enough is the fact that the GOAT played and crushed the biggest games in the history of UB, so clearly 1/3 and 5/5 is just an opportunity for him to blow off steam.

The reason his VPIP is 70% is because these stakes are nothing to him compared to playing 100/200 HU vs Dwan (I believe Veronica even mentioned this on stream and Mike being so wonderfully humble just chuckled). Additionally he combines WORLD class reading skills, YEARS of experience in the toughest games and lineups at the HIGHEST stakes, and everyone even Doug and Joey will acknowledge that the biggest edges in NLHE are going to be post flop, so naturally a God of poker will try and get post flop as much as possible. I’m actually surprised he’s not VPIPing closer to 80-90% with the skill set he possesses.

I will acknowledge that him staring at his crotch was initially pretty damning. However I offer everyone this theory. I’d like to preface this theory with this is something I’ve used to my advantage before (never at a poker table) and I believe would explain not only Mikes “odd” behavior and mannerisms but how he literally seems to be omnipotent at the table. Chrystal’s and energy stones. I know a lot of you are scoffing right now but just hear me out. What if Mike was given very powerful energy stones and this would pretty much explain EVERYTHING.

Hear me out..

Mike was/is the largest winner in the history of online poker. He was forced to quit due to blood clots and his doctor urging him to stop. Mike lives in Northern California. For those of you unfamiliar with that part of the world, it’s very new age-y and progressive. There are a lot of homeopathic Doctors who practice Eastern Medicine and Shamanism. Side-note: I think Bonomo is into this stuff and he’s pretty much the Postle of tournaments. Now what if Postle was being treated for his blood clots by a Shaman and was given very powerful stones and crystals. Originally he probably used them for their healing properties but once he saw first hand the power of these stones he realized he could incorporate them into other areas of his life like poker (I would encourage any non believers to research this subject, I will provide links).

Mikes less handsome brother has already gone on record saying MP looks for all the angles. This is when this theory really clicked in my head. As someone who has experienced the power of stones and crystals, I knew Mike had tapped into something powerful. Now to get back on track...if you suddenly show up at a poker table holding powerful stones and crystals people are not only going to be weirded out/look at you funny, but other players could quickly figure out the power and energy Mike was tapping into, hence why it was in his best interest to keep them out of sight/camera. There are people who are far more knowledgeable on this subject then myself, who I hope to chime in, but your hands sort of work as a conductor to harness the energy, so it’s necessary to be holding the stones and crystals to receive optimal benefits from them. This is why Mikes hands were always under the table, clearly holding something, and also explains why he’d look down so often, as again, other shamans could explain this, but he was aligning himself throughout sessions to charge his chakra’s

A lot of you after researching this subject are going to bring up the ethics of using these stones and crystals at the poker table. As far as I’m aware it’s not illegal but obviously it would be frowned upon by a lot of people. I don’t personally want to get into the ethics of this argument and I’ll reserve my opinion for a later time.

Fast forward to the first Stones investigation (also the irony that Mike was likely using powerful stones at a casino called Stones is very meta and interesting). Mike was found innocent of any wrong doing and it would make sense that the “stone theory” wasn’t something that Stones casino wanted to make public, probably because it’s not illegal. I think at this point they asked Mike to no longer use crystals and stones in the manner he did because it looked odd and suspicious how he would always be staring into his lap. At this point I believe Mike inserted the stones into his hat. I believe this perfectly explains the bone conductor/bulging hat theory. Again I’m no expert but in addition to the hands, a person’s temples are one of the main chakras and areas to absorb energy.

Again I want to say I’m not 100,000% on the “Stones theory”, but I feel pretty confident about it. It’s not something Mike planned on coming out with publicly due to many reasons outlined above but obviously he has no choice now. A lot of people are going to laugh this off which is why Apostle is mum on the subject, but I have a strong intuition that he’ll likely be coming forward with this theory soon enough.

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Old 10-10-2019, 03:30 PM   #7303
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Guys this is crazy, watch this hand with the commentary and while viewing the live chat. Its unbelievable, “im a mutha flippin wizard thats how we see the cards”. Is typed out by stones . He says “we”. This could be taylor or Jfk. Probably Taylor. This punk is getting cocky! Not only has mike just made the sickest play humanly possible but his accomplice is bragging about it in the chat! WTF WTF WTF
Also I don't know if anyone pointed this out but this seems like a weird thing to post as well. A few minutes before the wizard comment:

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Old 10-10-2019, 03:33 PM   #7304
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People got mad when I said OJ was innocent, and as we all know I was completely vindicated. Same thing here.
Your ability to consistently pick the wrong horse in a two horse race is remarkable.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:46 PM   #7305
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Also I don't know if anyone pointed this out but this seems like a weird thing to post as well. A few minutes before the wizard comment:

Wow great find. I wonder if that was accidentally typed into the wrong text box. I wonder if you scroll up if you’ll see someone type something that looks like Pokergfx code (whatever that looks like).
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:55 PM   #7306
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Wow great find. I wonder if that was accidentally typed into the wrong text box. I wonder if you scroll up if you’ll see someone type something that looks like Pokergfx code (whatever that looks like).
So we have mike make an incredible rediculous play for alot of money. Then We have the commentators joke about how mike must be able to see the cards. Then shortly after we have stones type,”Im a mutha fin wizard thats how “we” see the cards”. All of that just moments after stones text in the youtube chat about pokergfx code.

Ya guys thats all reasonable. Nothing shady going on here LMAO. I urge you all to watch the video, watch the god mode mike hand, listen to it, and watch the live chat replay in real time. its posted on the previous page time stamped. It really is a smoking gun. Tweet the video, share it to joey.

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Old 10-10-2019, 03:56 PM   #7307
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Yeah I can’t believe I left that out. The only reason Apostle stopped being the biggest winner in the history of online poker is due to a blood clot and his doctor told him he had to retire.
Yeah that such obvious BS.
He wouldn't have to retire from online because of this.
He could have got a standing desk or a treadmill desk (if those were a thing back then idk)
If he was making millions a year online he would have figured out a way to keep playing.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:12 PM   #7308
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:13 PM   #7309
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After listening to some of Veronica on Joey's podcast last night, think it's even more clear that John Doe 1 is Justin and the person whom the plaintiffs believe is the main accomplice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fUz...ature=youtu.be

See time stamps: 19:35; 20:50; 22:40; 23:45; 38:20; 49:50; 56:16; 1:04:44;1:07:27
I feel since both Mike Postle and Justin Kuraitis are named in the lawsuit that John Doe 1 is most likely Taylor Smith. I figure if either Kuraitis or Smith roll over and cut a deal the Postle house of cards will come tumbling down rather quickly. My $$ is still on Kuraitis caving in to the pressure 1st. Just gotta suck to be in either shoes right now.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:15 PM   #7310
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Live: Polk and Berkey

These clickbait titles are ****ing stupid. Is there actually a STUNNING TWIST or is this more rehashing information we already know?
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:16 PM   #7311
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Im not saying postle is innocent. I believe there is something going on.. but in involves much more than we are willing to discuss.
Riggghht, he's the victim. He was just playing the hero we all and Stones wanted him to be. yaaaaaawn!
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:17 PM   #7312
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So Taylor has a twitch and this is one of his videos from his channel. If you want you can click on his info on his channel page, and try to join his discord server to ask him about what happened. His discord says its active right now. Im not familiar with that but it shows him hosting a stream so he is using twitch i believe at this current time.

His Discord server is called Terrorville

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/154979840
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:19 PM   #7313
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After my **** post above, I found a pretty ****ing indictable hand:
Mike limps 55 after a limp, Dave from the sb jams AJs for 21.5bbs ($430), UTG calls 67s, Mike flats which is ridiculous in itself but postflop:

Harlan bets $300 into a dry side pot of 9s9x2s and Mike calls
Harlan bets $700 on a Tx turn and Mike calls
8s otr and it goes x/x

Just a shame a blank didn't come otr. Note the laughs when Harlan checks to him. Also the same fake hand waving gesture from Doug's video in the 72o vs. JJ hand. Despicable.
I beg any Mike supporter to defend this play pre, otf, and ott. Remember this is the guy folding top pair ott to a half pot bet.


For another lol, jump to the hand that starts at 2:24:00 in this same stream.

SuperPostle raises to 50 pre w/ 8d8c
2 calls
Harlan 3! to 235 w/ 3h3d

Here's where it gets fun.

After the 3!, the camera switches (2:25:00) to SuperPostle who the action is now on, and who is.. actively using his phone in his lap! You can see his left hand doing something under the table with it as he stares down. The camera instantly switches back in under a second to Harlan. Then instantly switches back to SuperPostle in under another second. SuperPostle is still working away on his phone for the 2 seconds that the camera stays on him before it then switches over to two players who aren't even in the hand, and stays there for 17 seconds until the flop comes.

Flop is 9sQcJh

Harlan checks
SuperPostle fires
Harlan folds

Here's a streamable link of the clip.


For some bonus lulz: at 3:29:07 - Justin starts talking about how the live stream game cannot be "easily rigged" in response to a concern from someone in the chat, and lists the reasons why, also stating: "If there's something we're missing, we need to be told"

loooool
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:23 PM   #7314
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This may have already been posted but WOW! It’s a PLO hand where the software is only reading 2 of the cards. Mike is visibly frustrated that he can’t see the other cards. Check out 1:52 where he checks his phone and then keeps fanning his cards and separating them over the sensor trying to get it to read all 4. He then is visibly pissed that it's not working and slamming his chips a bit. Does it get more obvious than this??
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:25 PM   #7315
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Live: Polk and Berkey

I guess they made Polk put on a shirt with sleeves for some kind of promo. But then it's back to tank top for the actual stream.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:39 PM   #7316
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These clickbait titles are ****ing stupid. Is there actually a STUNNING TWIST or is this more rehashing information we already know?

They are talking about the blue screen on the phone.



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Old 10-10-2019, 04:43 PM   #7317
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If the Hat and the Phone are both significant variables, this changes the model of the cheating. It's possible Mike had both visual information of the hands, AND someone giving him strategy advice on how best to cheat, as crazy as that seems. When one or the other went away, he loses winrate, but he's still at a ridiculously high level.
It doesn't seem crazy at all to me. Parsing all the hand information, especially off a phone screen, isn't exactly a trivial thing to do in real time while playing poker and interacting with the table as he does.

Would you rather try to read everyone's hands off a phone in a 4+ way flop or have someone at a desktop tell you what to do in real time?

It's sort of amazed me we don't have some crazy hands where he misreads another player's hand given the crudeness of the alleged cheating methods.

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Old 10-10-2019, 04:51 PM   #7318
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This may have already been posted but WOW! It’s a PLO hand where the software is only reading 2 of the cards. Mike is visibly frustrated that he can’t see the other cards. Check out 1:52 where he checks his phone and then keeps fanning his cards and separating them over the sensor trying to get it to read all 4. He then is visibly pissed that it's not working and slamming his chips a bit. Does it get more obvious than this??
Hah, this one is great! Nice spot!
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:55 PM   #7319
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Dude all those people are simply HATERS. Postle is clearly better at PLO then Joey despite Joey suggesting he’s a good PLO player. Doug was once a very good HUNL player, but correct me if I’m wrong, one thing he never did, was CRUSH Tom Dwan HU. Could be some resentment there from Doug that Mike pretty much destroyed Dwan to the point where Dwan has to leave the public eye. Mikes also the biggest winner in the history of UB, which is likely in the 10 million range, considering Prahlad won over 7...so you can see why a lot of people would be jealous. And Veronica is jealous because she’s lucky enough to live in the same city as the God, and from what I gather, EVERYONE in Sacramento rightfully praises Mike P as the GOAT, so I can see how others might eventually get tired of this. It’s also pretty telling Mike challenged Doug to 100 matches HU and Doug seemed terrified and quickly declined. I’m glad Mike, who really went out of his way to keep a low profile since he’s a single father (did you know that?), is ready to let everyone know he’s one of the best players in the world and said he’d be playing anywhere and everyone once these allegations get cleared up. He’s 100,000% innocent.
1. I played tons on UB, as much as anyone at that time with the exception of a handful of players.
2. I was friendly with Mike as he was a likable guy.
3. Mike was a very good player (relative to the time, players progressed rapidly in skill post UB era)
4. Mike was friendly with all of the ambassadors (I wasn't one).
5. Mike definitely wasn't even remotely close to being one of the most profitable players, in fact, he didn't play huge volume, nor did he play big cash games often. He did play frequently, but not anything to which you give him credit.
6. Mike definitely cheated. Any statement to the contrary ignores logic, ignores the cumulative evidence -yes, granted it's circumstantial - but based on his overt poor hiding of the cheating, and his repeated and clear use of his phone at critical moments, you would have to either be stupid and/or complicit to ignore the totality of it all.

* I just edited. I don't post here often, so I just realized there is a chance this post was sarcastic as hell, if so, I apologize!

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Old 10-10-2019, 05:01 PM   #7320
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For another lol, jump to the hand that starts at 2:24:00 in this same stream.

SuperPostle raises to 50 pre w/ 8d8c
2 calls
Harlan 3! to 235 w/ 3h3d....
I thought about including that 88 hand but there are so many like that and they really don't say anything definitive so I discard them. It really is frustrating the amount of times I see the same ****, know it's cheating, and discard because it can be explained away. For instance from same session:


These three way hands where he has little to no equity and a huge range disadvantage but fires and gets folds piss me off to no end.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:04 PM   #7321
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Unless McEachern has gambled away his money or something, he does not need whatever Stones paid him.

Do you know what A-list ESPN announcers make? (Hint: it's got to be at least mid-six figures.) EDIT: I know that net worth sites aren't necessarily gospel, but his net worth is listed at $5 million by one of them. He doesn't need Stones' money.

You are right, though, that I don't know the circumstances of how Moneymaker came to be invited.
There was a WSOP stream this summer when Lon mentioned the Stones casino and that they did a Livestream from there. This was how I first heard about Stones, so it had to be June-ish this year. IIRC Lon mentioned Stones was his 'home poker room'so i imagine he lives in the area.

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Old 10-10-2019, 05:11 PM   #7322
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Lon does live in the area
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:19 PM   #7323
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But if he wasn't a public figure before the 'initial allegation' as you call it was made, then the bar to prove defamation is lower? How does that work if the court decides Joey or Veronica made allegations about him before he was a public figure and damaged his reputation with statements that are still being debated?
Merely accusing someone of a wrong doing or criminal act isn't necessarily defamation. That said; being accused of a crime (a high profile crime) can make you a public figure (albeit involuntarily). Most of us didn't know who Charles Manson was before he was arrested/charged, thus he became an involuntary public figure (arguably) based on being charged with serious crimes (being charged is basically being accused). At that point any potential defamation should have to meet the higher bar, in my opinion. Going back to MP; I don't think anyone really knew who he was prior to Veronica going public: thus (albeit I could be wrong) no one was really saying anything (publicly) about MP that really could be defamatory.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:21 PM   #7324
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As you wish. But please note that I was one who objected to introducing insults involving nazism and anti-semitism into this thread in the first place.
Then perhaps you should have directed your response to the original post, as I did. As for antisemitism, I'm pretty sure you are the one that that introduced that into the thread. It's 2019 though, so feel free to keep telling us how much of a victim you are.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:25 PM   #7325
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So I was actually starting to feel a little sorry for Postle last night just bc the world is coming down on him...until I saw the stream with Kevin Racks. For those who dont know, Kevin Racks was a poker player who was terminally ill with Sarcoma and was trying to raise awareness through poker. So he played on Stones Live on July 20th w Postle.

AND MIKE POSTLE CHEATED THIS TERMINALLY ILL MAN ON THE JULY 20th STREAM. WHAT A PIECE OF SHI* MIKE POSTLE IS!
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