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Old 10-10-2019, 11:50 AM   #7201
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Hi Mike
f off im not mike!!
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:52 AM   #7202
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this thing here is very important to the future of poker and we should look at all angles, instead of attacking any new idea, theory or whatever. loook at the past posts and check what people get banned or attacked here for.
The people being banned appear to be following these steps:

1) Don't do any research into the existing evidence.
2) Get informed that they should at least have a general knowledge of the current evidence.
3) Refuse to do said research.
4) Continue to post uneducated opinions in the thread which just makes it harder to sort through the actually helpful posts.
5) Get banned.

Hopefully that helps some people figure out how they can not get banned.

The only bans I've seen ITT that don't follow this process are when some of the "Postle supportive" accounts have been IP outed as the same person or a known troll.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:53 AM   #7203
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You would think he would have at least used a privacy filter on his phone screen so it couldn't be seen from an angle. I even use one so the people next to me think I'm just texting or whatever instead of taking notes.
His thighs and crotch area acted as the ultimate privacy filter. Noone could tell (at least that we know so far) he probably learned to turn down the screen brightness and cover phone up with left hand or even go to sit on the phone if the situation ever got dicey.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:53 AM   #7204
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they wanted to make him a star, they achieved that but kind of ****ed up at the same time.
in what alternate universe did they want to make numnuts a star and for what possible reason. to improve their stream views from 200 to 300?

for that Stones conspired to break all sorts of laws?

Youve lost your mind
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:53 AM   #7205
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The people you named don't play poker much. They seem to be public personalities making a living off of youtube. So what do they have to gain? Views. Not really V but you asked. I don't think btw they are lying, but to suggest that fake news doesn't have a profit motive (see Trump's friends at the National Enquirer for a fake news empire blueprint) is inaccurate.


If you think Doug or Joey are paying rent off YouTube views you’ve been bamboozled by the internet. Same with stones steam and this “making mike a star” narrative that the one troll is floating.
Just stop if you guys don’t know what you’re talking about. No one was making themselves a bunch of cash off exposing this and reaping the sweet sweet YT ad revenue Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:54 AM   #7206
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ok let me hit u with what I think!:

they wanted to make him a star, they achieved that but kind of ****ed up at the same time.

do I have to explain why? or do u get it?
Very insightful, you might have something here. Unfortunately, it's just an opinion and has nothing to do with his cheating, but thanks for sharing.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:54 AM   #7207
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People got mad when I said OJ was innocent, and as we all know I was completely vindicated. Same thing here.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:56 AM   #7208
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My question since we have lawyers hanging around here is IF he didn't cheat, what recourse would Postle have for defamation? Was he a non public figure 1. when Veronica tweeted, 2. when joey posted his first video 3. now?
Good questions. Given his lengthy participation in streamed games, interviews on stream, and his consent to all the memes and the hype he was given on stream and in promoting the stream, I would argue that he was a limited-purpose public figure regarding poker play in Stones Live, since before Veronica's tweet.

That would mean he'd have to prove actual malice, meaning a reckless disregard for the truth. And I think that would be very hard to prove. A belief that he cheated seems to be a very reasonable one, since I think we can agree that we'd all be shocked if it somehow turned out that he didnt cheat.

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Old 10-10-2019, 11:57 AM   #7209
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I want to know more about this “dream seat poker” game variant they were trying to introduce in 2017. What was Mike Postles involvement?
I just found these 2 videos that I haven't seen before. Maybe it was posted here very early on and I skimmed over it.

DREAM SEAT EXPLAINED: A New Twist in Traditional Poker
•Aug 25, 2017

Stones Live Poker

"Dream Seat" developer MICHAEL POSTLE discusses the origin, concept and key elements of a game that's been described as a "cash game/tournament hybrid" with Stones Live hosts LON McEACHERN and JUSTIN KELLY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn9u...L&index=2&t=0s


DREAM SEAT POKER SHOW, Wednesday, August 23, 2017
•Streamed live on Aug 23, 2017

Stones Live Poker

Dream Seat Poker Show with commentators LON McEACHERN and JUSTIN KELLY. Before the show, Mike Postle (the man behind the concept) explains the origins and concept of Dream Seat and key elements of how the game is played. CHRIS MONEYMAKER and SCOTT BALL join the player lineup at Stones Gambling Hall!

PLAYER LINEUP: 1. Chris Moneymaker | 2. Cary M. | 3. Harlan | 4. Frank L. | 5. Nat A. | 6. David O | 7. Scott Ball | 8. Ducky | 9. John M.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-AuY0YsEt4
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:58 AM   #7210
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But if he wasn't a public figure before the 'initial allegation' as you call it was made, then the bar to prove defamation is lower? How does that work if the court decides Joey or Veronica made allegations about him before he was a public figure and damaged his reputation with statements that are still being debated?
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A public figure is a person, such as a politician, celebrity, social media personality, or business leader, who has a certain social position within a certain scope and a significant influence and so is often widely concerned by the public, can benefit enormously from society, and is closely related to public interests in society.[1]

In the context of defamation actions (libel and slander) as well as invasion of privacy, a public figure cannot succeed in a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements in the United States unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with actual malice by knowing the falsity or by reckless disregard for the truth.[2] The legal burden of proof in defamation actions is thus higher in the case of a public figure than in the case of an ordinary person.
Im not a lawyer, and Im not saying that any defamation has occurred but wouldn't a non public figure becoming famous via "defamation actions" not qualify that person as a public figure?

Also, could it be argued that Mike Postle was already a public figure for going on the Stones Live Stream? I mean, its essentially tv, even though it avged only 100 viewers live, many more saw "previous episodes", if you will. He was easily "the star" of the show being the most popular, especially with the commentators, and had, by far, the dankest of memes.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:59 AM   #7211
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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People got mad when I said OJ was innocent, and as we all know I was completely vindicated. Same thing here.
Good point, well made.

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Old 10-10-2019, 12:00 PM   #7212
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You would think he would have at least used a privacy filter on his phone screen so it couldn't be seen from an angle. I even use one so the people next to me think I'm just texting or whatever instead of taking notes.
His early streams before July 18th 2018. I had noticed something that looked like a privacy screen or his brightness turned way down, but he wasn’t in God mode, so I didn’t time stamp it. He’s definitely more tech savvy then he claims.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:06 PM   #7213
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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the image recognition algorithm that is trained to find Postle with his phone open to PokerGFX just produced its first hit

It found someone with the blue screen on his phone here:



The timeframe is printed in the result image (31:42) and this video is this one here:

https://youtu.be/bD4Up3hp2G4?t=1901

the video is "$5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Chris Moneymaker" and it was published on Jan 4, 2018

can somebody flick through the video and confirm who that is please?
I'm going through now and I'm trying to lighten the picture to get a better description of the person walking with the blue phone. It's def not Mike, but I think it may be Justin.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:08 PM   #7214
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ok let me hit u with what I think!:

they wanted to make him a star, they achieved that but kind of ****ed up at the same time.

do I have to explain why? or do u get it?
no you dont have to explain. godeep, we know its you, just stop already
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:17 PM   #7215
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Mike P using his phone at 1:20:24 in that $5/$5 NLHE video w/ Moneymaker



Other unknown figure with the blue screen same video at 31:42




Def not Mike P
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:20 PM   #7216
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Below is a stream from March 26th 2017. We have Taylor in the booth and Mike Postle on the felt. Was Taylor originally a commentator then moved to do the graphics? This stream just goes to show you these people have been around for awhile. You have a livestream that has been around since 2015, then in 2018 someone on the inside gives the keys to pandoras box to a friend in Mike Postle.

https://youtu.be/nzKZ2lAcYkU
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:23 PM   #7217
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People got mad when I said OJ was innocent, and as we all know I was completely vindicated. Same thing here.
Not quite - he lost the civil case
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:26 PM   #7218
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Def not Mike P
Thanks

I didn't think it was Mike either - but being somebody else is interesting

Hadn't thought that once the phone screens were found that identifying the people holding them would be an issue but I scrubbed that video quickly to no avail before moving on to crunching the next in line
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:29 PM   #7219
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Thanks

I didn't think it was Mike either - but being somebody else is interesting

Hadn't thought that once the phone screens were found that identifying the people holding them would be an issue but I scrubbed that video quickly to no avail before moving on to crunching the next in line
I went through hastily, definitely not with a fine tooth comb and I couldn't find that figure elsewhere. I do believe that person has a distinctive walk and appear to be wearing an overcoat.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:32 PM   #7220
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If someone says, "Every data point on this chart took place at the same place and time except for one, which happens to be the defendant's" -- would this obfuscate the evidence in a juror's mind?
It would be enlightening to calculate and display the win rate of the aggregate of professional and semi-professional players who participated in Stones livestreams that didn't involve Postle. Moneymaker, Vibes, Berkey, Neeme, Bart, Owen, Jaman, Marle, Boski, etc individually didn't play enough times for their winrates to be determined reliably, but their aggregate winrate at comparable stack depths probably would have more than enough statistical power to be compared to Postle's.

This is something that the prosecuting attorneys in a civil case could readily determine and then compare and contrast in court. Then there's also the opportunity to compare Postle's winrate during pre-Godmode streams when he wasn't using the phone placement and mannerisms implicated in the cheating with his Godmode winrate, which just happens to be gigantically higher.

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Old 10-10-2019, 12:35 PM   #7221
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

If I was Mike Postle I would claim that Joey and Doug are just putting up all these YouTube videos because of the prop bet they made about posting a certain volume of videos by a certain date.

Not that I believe that’s the case, but the timing could make it look like they came up with this whole thing to make videos for their prop bet.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:38 PM   #7222
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Dude, you know so little about 2p2 its pathetic. The site's owners literally banned all politics discussion to be favorable to pro fascist opinions.
Actually it was pretty similar. Nonsensical shitposting trolls like washoe show up, rightfully called out for it, then complain incessantly about the pol mods in ATF. Next thing you know the subforum is nuked due to a site owner that's sympathetic to the trolls' positions. New pol forum arises - all future complaints about the new pol forum in ATF are banned.

I don't expect that to happen here thankfully.

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Old 10-10-2019, 12:39 PM   #7223
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Mike P using his phone at 1:20:24 in that $5/$5 NLHE video w/ Moneymaker


Other unknown figure with the blue screen same video at 31:42



Def not Mike P
Timeline from the Stream (remember they are on a delay)

10:06 - Justin Leaves the Booth (LIVE TIME)
10:32 - Moneymaker Enters the Booth (LIVE TIME)

31:42 - Random Person walks by with Blue Screen

37:19 - Moneymaker walks away from table with his chips racked

57:50 - Mike P sits down at the Table


Anything to be made of this? Can we eliminate Justin as the guy holding the cell phone with the blue screen? I think it's clear that it's not Mike P.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:40 PM   #7224
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I watched the Stones broadcasts way before this issue came about, but after watching the Veronica Brill interview regarding Justin's ego, I wanted to go back and look at an old comment I made about Justin's lack of poker intelligence on one of the videos. Low and behold, they deleted it. Here is the link to the hand I was referencing:

https://youtu.be/PdzGzQYqq48?t=1676

Commented on $1/$2/$3 No Limit Hold'em with Chris & Justin (featuring Kasey Mills)
Justin's commentary is the worst. He literally knows little to nothing about strategy or how the game is played and only does the viewers a disservice by giving his opinion on game play. Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about (of course the guy isn't going to fold for $75, so why are you even acting like that's an option, and no, he didn't go all-in): https://youtu.be/PdzGzQYqq48?t=1676
1 month ago
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:43 PM   #7225
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Its pretty clear washoe is godeep.

1) godeep got banned last night
2) washoe is a new account just made within the last 3 hrs
3) washoe's first post, and many subsequent posts, are complaining about mods, banning, and how the site is run
4) washoe eludes to godeep's "superstar theory" the first chance he gets
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