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Old 10-10-2019, 11:18 AM   #7176
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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even when I am 90% certain, I know for 100% that people should be alowed to speak freely without getting banned or attacked by everyone.

I know for fact that is 100% that these guys are running a nazi like regime here.
And its 2019,, come on!
Please post some facts regarding Postles innocence? Time stamps or specific hands or videos. Thats how this works, but just saying this sucks and you cant speak ect.. makes no sense.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:22 AM   #7177
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veronica: a looooot!! she was a nobody before this , Joey: its his job, he doesnt even play nl poker, still like him but he he gets a trophy, lets call it what it is, its his job now exposing.

there is so much more going on here what u dont get. and if u say it u get banned?

free world? not in this thread obviously.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:24 AM   #7178
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If you’re going to post incoherently just go away now wtf are you even talking about?
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:24 AM   #7179
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There have been plenty of smoking guns in this discussion. Anyone who has a clue about statistics cannot dispute there is some fishy going on here.
If someone says, "Every data point on this chart took place at the same place and time except for one, which happens to be the defendant's" -- would this obfuscate the evidence in a juror's mind?
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:27 AM   #7180
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veronica: a looooot!! she was a nobody before this , Joey: its his job, he doesnt even play nl poker, still like him bet he he gets a trophy, lets call it what it is, its his job now exposing.

there is so much more going on here what u dont get. and if u say it u get banned?

free world? not in this thread obviously.
You should contact Mike Postle direct with all your compelling examples of innocence. I’m sure he can use a friend right now.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:28 AM   #7181
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Please post some facts regarding Postles innocence? Time stamps or specific hands or videos. Thats how this works, but just saying this sucks and you cant speak ect.. makes no sense.

Im not saying postle is innocent. I believe there is something going on.. but in involves much more than we are willing to discuss.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:29 AM   #7182
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veronica: a looooot!! she was a nobody before this , Joey: its his job, he doesnt even play nl poker, still like him but he he gets a trophy, lets call it what it is, its his job now exposing.

there is so much more going on here what u dont get. and if u say it u get banned?

free world? not in this thread obviously.

If you aren't trolling you are incredibly stupid.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:31 AM   #7183
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The next hand here is very weird. We see Mike 3bet with 3 2 off suit and call a 4bet bet while his opponent has 99. Mike just lost a big pot before on a bad river. His 32 calls the 4bet and of course he flops 2 pair. Im very confused about this one.

(the graphic is wrong Joe has over 1,000 but graphic shows he has 295.)

Joe raises to 35 in utg +1. Mike 3bets to 145 in the HJ. Joe 4bets to 535. Mike calls with another player to act. Bam mike flops 2 pair on flop and starts laughing.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/327032438?t=01h10m32s
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These 2 clips show us that within a 30 minute time period Mike twice called huge preflop raises with complete garbage (32o, and 64o) vs overpairs and flopped 2 pair each time. The 1st one is especially strange because it is a 4bet to $535 and his opponent only has $700 behind.

It's not like Mike uses much math when making preflop decisions but you don't have to be a math guy to realize this is a bad call. It's more than possible that Mike was just being super spewy and got lucky on the flop in both these hands. Patience really shouldn't be that big of a problem for him. He can literally VPIP like 80 and never get in as a bad of a spot as he did with 32o here. Maybe he was getting super cocky and thought he could just blow him off the hand if high cards came.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:33 AM   #7184
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If you aren't trolling you are incredibly stupid.
youre stupid. was veronicas game a success? no. was postle stealing her show? yes. does it matter? no.

I am getting almost more mad at the moderation of this thing as to the whole scandal.

are u getting to the bottom of this thing here? no. Because u are heavily biased and not open to more possibilities of the whole thing.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:35 AM   #7185
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youre stupid. was veronicas game a success? no. was postle stealing her show? yes. does it matter? no.



I am getting almost more mad at the moderation of this thing as to the whole scandal.



are u getting to the bottom of this thing here? no. Because u are heavily biased and not open to more possibilities of the whole thing.


You’re*

Also your point on Veronica is so wrong and off base and insulting it’s stupid.

She did this out of jealousy?

Kindly **** off to another forum now...
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:35 AM   #7186
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Im not saying postle is innocent. I believe there is something going on.. but in involves much more than we are willing to discuss.
What? Is Elon Musk going to introduce us to aliens already? I thought that scam was coming a few years down the road.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:35 AM   #7187
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I suspect the easiest defense against such a claim of defamation is that MP became an involuntary public figure once the initial allegation was made, at which point there's a higher bar to meet when it comes to actually being defamed. "I was merely stating my opinion" is often a good defense for defamation as well, generally.
But if he wasn't a public figure before the 'initial allegation' as you call it was made, then the bar to prove defamation is lower? How does that work if the court decides Joey or Veronica made allegations about him before he was a public figure and damaged his reputation with statements that are still being debated?
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:36 AM   #7188
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

this thing here is very important to the future of poker and we should look at all angles, instead of attacking any new idea, theory or whatever. loook at the past posts and check what people get banned or attacked here for.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:37 AM   #7189
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Discussion of moderation of this thread cannot take place in this thread for obvious reasons (that has been a long-standing policy at 2+2 & NVG).

There are several places for discussion of NVG moderation/moderators:
- NVG moderation thread stickied at the top of the front page of NVG
- ATF (About The Forums) forum - feel free to start a new thread there
- PM any NVG mod (list of NVG mods appears at bottom of NVG front page)
- Email site administrator Mat Sklansky at mat@twoplustwo.com

To keep the thread free-flowing and devoid of off-topic derails, subsequent posts in this thread focused on moderation will be deleted.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:38 AM   #7190
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If someone says, "Every data point on this chart took place at the same place and time except for one, which happens to be the defendant's" -- would this obfuscate the evidence in a juror's mind?
I certainly think it would be easy for the defense to trash this chart if it ever made it before a jury for the reason you said and that they would point out the major differences between the game everyone else was playing and the one the defendant was playing. This is why it would be good to have some more relevant data to compare to.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:39 AM   #7191
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

yeah whats up with that? why did they make him a star? he will have book deals now for millions i bet. even if he is guilty, its the starstatus they were going for I think. which makes much more sense than going for 250k.

is the kings casino rosvadov now the owner of stones or not?
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:39 AM   #7192
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Yeah. He is now banned for good.
Next up has got to be PassiveIsBetter. Please.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:42 AM   #7193
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Not sure if this has been covered already.
$10/$25/$50 No Limit Hold'em with Justin and Veronica (9/21/2019)

Referring to the full house hand at 1hr 35 min Postle is holding 88 vs ??. Then someone tells the commentator that he is holding 10-2 before the hand was revealed.
This is very normal and explainable though.

1. Guy with T2 does in fact table his hand at showdown, meaning the production guys had a chance to see it live, and can then tell commentators what he had when it comes on stream 30 mins later.

2. On-screen graphics don't magically (and impossibly) get changed to show guy has T2 at any time, let alone before he had tabled his hand.

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Old 10-10-2019, 11:42 AM   #7194
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Postle defenders:

What does Veronica, Joey, Doug, anyone who’s come out publicly, and also the members of this forum, HAVE TO GAIN by creating and supporting a “Mike is a cheater” narrative?!?

Nothing. .
The people you named don't play poker much. They seem to be public personalities making a living off of youtube. So what do they have to gain? Views. Not really V but you asked. I don't think btw they are lying, but to suggest that fake news doesn't have a profit motive (see Trump's friends at the National Enquirer for a fake news empire blueprint) is inaccurate.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:42 AM   #7195
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Im not saying postle is innocent. I believe there is something going on.. but in involves much more than we are willing to discuss.
You have to admit, that there is a lot of videos that need to be dissected and carefully analyzed, and if you have a theory that hasn’t been discussed, please enlighten me? So far I haven’t heard one example from you.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:44 AM   #7196
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But if he wasn't a public figure before the 'initial allegation' as you call it was made, then the bar to prove defamation is lower? How does that work if the court decides Joey or Veronica made allegations about him before he was a public figure and damaged his reputation with statements that are still being debated?
Basically Veronica is 10000% fine here. She wasn't positive he was cheating. She reached out to Stones and other people.
Anyone after it has become public is pretty much fine as well. It was on ESPN without even the use of allegedly.
To sue them Mike would have to lawyer up, nearly prove he didnt do it while opening himself up for the people he is suing to get his information. This is obviously never going to happen.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:45 AM   #7197
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

the image recognition algorithm that is trained to find Postle with his phone open to PokerGFX just produced its first hit

It found someone with the blue screen on his phone here:



The timeframe is printed in the result image (31:42) and this video is this one here:

https://youtu.be/bD4Up3hp2G4?t=1901

the video is "$5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Chris Moneymaker" and it was published on Jan 4, 2018

can somebody flick through the video and confirm who that is please?
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:47 AM   #7198
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You have to admit, that there is a lot of videos that need to be dissected and carefully analyzed, and if you have a theory that hasn’t been discussed, please enlighten me? So far I haven’t heard one example from you.
ok let me hit u with what I think!:

they wanted to make him a star, they achieved that but kind of ****ed up at the same time.

do I have to explain why? or do u get it?
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:48 AM   #7199
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youre stupid. was veronicas game a success? no. was postle stealing her show? yes. does it matter? no.

I am getting almost more mad at the moderation of this thing as to the whole scandal.

are u getting to the bottom of this thing here? no. Because u are heavily biased and not open to more possibilities of the whole thing.
Hi Mike
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:49 AM   #7200
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You would think he would have at least used a privacy filter on his phone screen so it couldn't be seen from an angle. I even use one so the people next to me think I'm just texting or whatever instead of taking notes.
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