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Old 10-10-2019, 09:27 AM   #7151
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your last 20 posts are insults

who is the lowlife? lol
The ****ing idiots that keep tarding **** up, like you.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:28 AM   #7152
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The mods here are clearly abusing the power given to them and I will bring this to the top of 2plus2 and to Matt Slansky.
lmao sorry the big meanie mods upset you.

For someone to have doubt about Postle's guilt at this point they have to either be (a) trolling, (b) someone who knows Postle and wants him to get away with it or (c) completely clueless about poker, like not knowing that a flush beats a straight level of clueless. It is not worth anyone's time to keep explaining to people operating in bad faith why they are wrong, and it derails the thread.

Read the thread. If you've read the thread and you don't believe, just become a flat earther or a qanon guy or something.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:29 AM   #7153
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It cant be that these mods here are banning people left and right, with the only reasoning that they are not 100% their opinion.

I mean that should never be the goal. the whole point of a forum is to exchange opinions.

The mods here are clearly abusing the power given to them and I will bring this to the top of 2plus2 and to Matt Slansky.

I have heard only good things about 2plus2 but this thread here is a mess. And the mods are clearly doing a bad job.

Having said that, people are entitled to their opinion and they should not be afraid to say their opinion without getting banned. Again this is a public forum and it should be a friendly and pleasant environment.

Well it is not in this thread, thanks to a few moderators, I wanna name one here who is called R R I belive and he has a grudge avator. He is clearly abusing his powers, his posts are dumb to say the least, and threatening posters who are not 100% saying as he wants to ban them. you should be ashamed of yourself RR.

and again, not afraid to let managment know how u handle things here..

and to all people who were frightended bc of this guys to voice their opinion freely, youre not alone, and things will be done to end this..

cheers everyone.

ps. to as to innocent or not, I dont know, we have to wait and hopefully know soon

I was leaning towards guilty, but with this mob rejecting any other opinion it is no fun to watch this censored bs anymore...
guess you just got banned under a different user name, wonder who? btw mods generally dont ban without solid reason (IMO)
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:31 AM   #7154
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Mike Postle was outed by Jonathan Little In June 2019 on YouTube
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You’re unreal, the trillion to 1 poker player virtually never loses, folds top pair or trips? He loves his dick so much that he keeps checking it’s still there! He also spookily knows when the card reader isn’t working? There’s also a bright blue light on one of the few times he shows his dick to the world & there’s a reason for that as his mobile phone has the same software front end which also stops his phone from going blank after 5 minutes like most phones. Jonathan Little picked up on Mikes cheating in June 2019 a couple of times but he let it be as it takes hundreds of hours to collate each hand. He plays near perfect poker on the flop & absurd poker running up a 4 & 5 like you do? Offsuit as well.

He’s 100 percent Cheating & you need to take your tongue out of mike the fake God Mode players backside & get real. We have real statisticians on here who have proved he had more chance of doing a round trip to Mars!!

The Blue light emissions is the colour you get when putting the software used to read the cards & transmit them to the booth & to Mikes Phone which I’m told he’s changed it?!

At first I looked at it from fresh eyes but as a statistician is my findings & also listening to one guy who knows the card reading software like no one else have concluded he’s cheating.
Completely off on both of your first posts on 2+2 (incorrect on the first one, mistakenly going off on a guy that agrees with your viewpoint in the other). Not off to a great start. Better luck going forward.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:34 AM   #7155
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Assuming its not on the guest wifi and he was using it, he would then have to use their wifi, go out to the internet ie to whatever isp they used, then come back in to go to the pokergfx server.
He could be using the internal production wifi (there must be one, you see them take a laptop to the table to fix it).
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:39 AM   #7156
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lmao sorry the big meanie mods upset you.

For someone to have doubt about Postle's guilt at this point they have to either be (a) trolling, (b) someone who knows Postle and wants him to get away with it or (c) completely clueless about poker, like not knowing that a flush beats a straight level of clueless. It is not worth anyone's time to keep explaining to people operating in bad faith why they are wrong, and it derails the thread.

Read the thread. If you've read the thread and you don't believe, just become a flat earther or a qanon guy or something.
OMG! I thought I am the only one following SciManDan here. I always wondering why those crazy people believe that the earth is flat.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:46 AM   #7157
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lmao sorry the big meanie mods upset you.

For someone to have doubt about Postle's guilt at this point they have to either be (a) trolling, (b) someone who knows Postle and wants him to get away with it or (c) completely clueless about poker, like not knowing that a flush beats a straight level of clueless. It is not worth anyone's time to keep explaining to people operating in bad faith why they are wrong, and it derails the thread.

Read the thread. If you've read the thread and you don't believe, just become a flat earther or a qanon guy or something.
+1000 ffs

Its not that hard. Please mods ban anyone who doesn't even remotely try to reflect on what people already posted and the logical conclusions that were drawn from that. Maybe put something in the FAQ about that as a warning or something. Or make another thread where u guys can chat about heal crystals and eat oranges to heal cancer.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:46 AM   #7158
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even when I am 90% certain, I know for 100% that people should be alowed to speak freely without getting banned or attacked by everyone.

I know for fact that is 100% that these guys are running a nazi like regime here.
And its 2019,, come on!
It's fine to question things in good faith so they can be examined. I did the same thing when I helped point out that the Kc showed up twice in the same hand according to the RFID reader system and software.

What's not okay, and what people are getting temp-banned for, is posting things over and over that are not true and failing to produce any evidence in support of what they're saying. Some post example hands that in no way met what they said they were. Some make outrageous claims about what is possible in terms of win rates and variance, going against all known data without being able to point to any examples, despite being invited to do so many times.

The mods have given them a lot of leeway and banned them only after it has become clear that they are not making good faith arguments and are just being contrarian for contrarian's sake (i.e., exhibiting the characteristics of a troll).
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:54 AM   #7159
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lmao sorry the big meanie mods upset you.

For someone to have doubt about Postle's guilt at this point they have to either be (a) trolling, (b) someone who knows Postle and wants him to get away with it or (c) completely clueless about poker, like not knowing that a flush beats a straight level of clueless. It is not worth anyone's time to keep explaining to people operating in bad faith why they are wrong, and it derails the thread.

Read the thread. If you've read the thread and you don't believe, just become a flat earther or a qanon guy or something.
Nah, it's even fine to read the thread and have doubts. I'll think you're dumb and wrong, but you are allowed to have a dissenting opinion.

It's the people with 0 posts who come in here and demand someone else do research for them, rather than put any effort into backing up the case they are trying to make when the evidence is everywhere if they care to look for it. It's clear they're just trolling (or Mike's friend) and not trying to have a good faith discussion.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:55 AM   #7160
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even when I am 90% certain, I know for 100% that people should be alowed to speak freely without getting banned or attacked by everyone.

I know for fact that is 100% that these guys are running a nazi like regime here.
And its 2019,, come on!
I'd agree, its 2019 and with that comes a preponderance of clueless butthurt individuals that carelessly throw around the term nazi.

Grow up. Mods gave you a temporary ban for clouding up the thread with gibberish. Instead of just letting it go, you open a new account to create more gibberish.

Hopefully when the mods get back on they permanently ban your IP address. Get yourself some Desitin for that butthurt.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:59 AM   #7161
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Play seems to be that many times it's like 1k$+ in the middle with two or three players in flop.

It's live 5/5 and it's played pretty big.

One extra 2000bb pot per 1000 hands won gives that 200bb/100. And variance is huge.

100k$ winnings are pretty much possible to be just good variance in such game.

Btw. It's pretty obvious that players in those games don't play stellar postflop game and Postle outplay them many times. No big suprises there it's not like 300/600 with table full of pros.
Dunning krugger effect in full display. Try and just listen to what I am about to explain to you, it may be a little difficult to understand, but I will try.

Poker is a game that has small edges, it's not like chess where you control every decision. When you are talking about win-rates, you need to understand that skill can only take you so far in a game like poker. In a game like chess you could theoretically win 99% of your games if you are the best chess player in the world.

When you are talking about win-rates in poker you must understand that there is a ceiling effect in poker, what does that mean? It means that no matter how good you are, your win-rate will get stunted, it's not like chess where you can win 99% of the time, what does this have to do with mike postles win-rate? EVERYTHING, you can't achieve 900bb/100 at 1/3 2/5 with just simply skill, no matter how good you are "because of the ceiling effect that exist in poker", you can't achieve his win-rate with pure skill, you need to also run hotter then the sun to achieve his win-rate.

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Old 10-10-2019, 10:15 AM   #7162
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For someone to have doubt about Postle's guilt at this point they have to either be (a) trolling, (b) someone who knows Postle and wants him to get away with it or (c) completely clueless about poker, like not knowing that a flush beats a straight level of clueless.
I wouldn't say you have to be that clueless, but I do think to be unpersuaded by the available evidence you have to be unaware of the significance of variance and of how limited live reads are even for players who specialize in them.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:26 AM   #7163
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One extra 2000bb pot per 1000 hands won gives that 200bb/100. And variance is huge.

100k$ winnings are pretty much possible to be just good variance in such game.
It's hilarious that Postle apologists point to the variance of his playstyle and of the Stones Live game to excuse his win rate. He played on stream for 300 hours, dude. I think it's like 4K hands. Over a sample of that size a high-variance style is a cause for suspicion. It makes sustained outlier results less likely. It's not like Postle had two good sessions back to back. He had sixty.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:28 AM   #7164
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I wouldn't say you have to be that clueless, but I do think to be unpersuaded by the available evidence you have to be unaware of the significance of variance and of how limited live reads are even for players who specialize in them.
No you have to be clueless at this point.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:32 AM   #7165
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PassiveIsBetter has been trolling the strategy forums for a while now. He's just fishing for attention.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:39 AM   #7166
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Question for anyone that has played at Stones. How is the cell signal? Is it good? Is there no signal? Does Stones provide guest wifi?

Just trying to find out if Mike could use cell or if he was forced to use guest wifi from Stones if they have it.

Thanks
The cell signal inside is generally reliable; I won't say good/bad- I'm not qualified to rate that. There is generally a 3 or 4 signal out of five. Fine for any calls I've ever made incoming or out.
Guest wifi- is provided. Password was freely handed out by any staff. The signal was sketchy at times, perhaps because there were so many users? Not sure. I can tell you this- I sometimes use my horse racing app to bet and watch race video IRT. Many times I need to go to ATT data and off Stones wifi to watch a race IRT.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:39 AM   #7167
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To the people saying "the lawyer will just say its the same odds as winning lotto"

The scatter graph of lotto winners does not have massive outliers like potripper and postle


There have been plenty of smoking guns in this discussion. Anyone who has a clue about statistics cannot dispute there is some fishy going on here.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:39 AM   #7168
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guess you just got banned under a different user name, wonder who? btw mods generally dont ban without solid reason (IMO)
Don't even respond to this neckbeard
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:54 AM   #7169
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people are entitled to their opinion
Opinions can be wrong, and in this case, anyone suggesting Mike is not cheating is wrong. Furthermore, most who say he is not cheating are unable to detail their reasoning.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:57 AM   #7170
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i agree. does anyone else think moneymaker was a shill and getting the money back at the end of the night?
people will say "oooo crazy conspiracy"

but i think it could be possible. maybe Postle bought him dinner and a bunch of drinks afterward or something. I mean it is kind of weird he insisted on pulling back and chopping the AK v AK v 54o hand.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:02 AM   #7171
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We need to be careful about just plotting Postle's VPIP and BB/100 onto this graph and claiming proof. Potripper was plotted against others playing in the same situation. All the data points are for players' hands in one tournament, and Potripper was definitely an outlier in that field.

Postle, on the other hand, is playing in a deepstack cash game, which plays much different than a tournament where most players are relatively shortstacked. There is not the potential to win as many BBs in most (if any) hands in a tournament.

This is not to say I don't believe Postle's results are a huge outlier relative to other cash game players. But it would be comparing apples to apples if we could plot his point on a scatter graph of other live deepstack cash players. I realize that that data doesn't really exist for live cash games, although I suppose the info is there in various live streams for it to be collected with a ton of effort.

This graph is a useful visualization, but we do need to keep in mind its context.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:07 AM   #7172
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I want to know more about this “dream seat poker” game variant they were trying to introduce in 2017. What was Mike Postles involvement?

I want to know why on July 15th 2018 they had a test stream that was 30 seconds long. (Stream below)


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/283635933

They never had test streams. What were they testing? 3 days later on July 18th 2018 the poker god was created and CTO (Crotch Theory Optimal) was born. Coincidence? Maybe.... Maybe not...

Below is a nice clip from his July 18th 2018 stream. Look at him go deep into the crotch for this flop as he double checks his opponents holdings while he holds middle pair. Actually the whole hand is hilarious. He bets like 1/8th pot on the river knowing he is beat to mask his cheating. (He cant check fold because it would be too obvious).

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/286409381?t=13202s

Last edited by Grind On My Mind; 10-10-2019 at 11:28 AM. Reason: Edit i got streams mixed up they did have a test stream in may 2018 as well.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:16 AM   #7173
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Just finished this session. It's extremely interesting. Mike starts the session in the 5 seat. He's very animated, stands up and sits down a few times, hands over the rail, phone on the rail at times, but still looking at his dick at points.

But then at ~2:17:00 someone leaves seat 2, at 2:18:30 Mike switches seats to seat 2. When he moves to seat 2, he's very to himself, he never gets up, and his phone is never seen again.
"Coincidence, maybe seat 2 is Mike's lucky seat" - PassiveIsBetter aka washoe
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:17 AM   #7174
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Postle defenders:

What does Veronica, Joey, Doug, anyone who’s come out publicly, and also the members of this forum, HAVE TO GAIN by creating and supporting a “Mike is a cheater” narrative?!?

Nothing. Everyone’s losing here. Stones. Mike, Veronica, Justin, the people doing tons of research spending their time. Everyone has lost in this shitty situation. We are just trying to clean up the mess and clean out cheating a corruption because the poker community is self-policing.

Remember that. So much time and energy has been spent, many reputations have gone on the line over this.

People aren’t just splashing around to tear a guy down with zero to gain while doing it because he did nothing wrong. Or because everyone is just a jealous hater as Mike himself has floated

Before you think contrarian is best or stating your basic ***** opinion must be acknowledged, think about what I said above, first.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:18 AM   #7175
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even when I am 90% certain, I know for 100% that people should be alowed to speak freely without getting banned or attacked by everyone.

I know for fact that is 100% that these guys are running a nazi like regime here.
And its 2019,, come on!
Dude, you know so little about 2p2 its pathetic. The site's owners literally banned all politics discussion to be favorable to pro fascist opinions.

The point of a message board isn't to allow dumb trolls to go on. Mods are adults who volunteer their free time. It's not particularly fun. Some do a good job, others do not. This thread has been moderated quite well considering how fast it has moved.
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