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Old 10-09-2019, 11:46 PM   #7026
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Lol you guys check out this move at 4:17:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:48 PM   #7027
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Guys, I think I might be in love with Veronica Brill, aka THE GOD KILLER, aka Veronica Mars, aka Veronica 2.0, aka Angry_Polak, aka Women in Tech, aka Women in Poker, aka Savior of Poker.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:49 PM   #7028
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Wait, what?



This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...

Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?
Here is where he talks about it:



1:20:55 in case it doesn't start right.

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:50 PM   #7029
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/345223397?t=4992s

01:23:12

Funny hand because u can see the pain of how much Mike wants to fold on the flop. (Remember he cant fold flop because that would make his cheating obvious) I mean he picks up his cards and is so ready to muck. No normal player in that spot would ever give off that type of body language and Andrew Neeme points it out too. What a scumbag Mike!!! I do have to say the commentary here is suspect (except neeme)

From ~01:24:00:




Yet another "pretend to look at my cards" move.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:50 PM   #7030
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Wait, what?



This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...



Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?


Super common for a defendant (especially the biggest one in the suit) to try and end around the lawyers and get this down behind closed doors. It’s in their best interest to try and settle with as many potential plaintiffs as possible in this manner
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:51 PM   #7031
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Wait, what?

This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...

Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?
Not strange at all. Any lawsuit filed can easily be dropped if the parties negotiate a settlement. And "settle" basically means whatever the parties negotiate and agree to: they might (definitely will) put it in writing and might even (definitely will) call it something like a settlement agreement. It happens all the time.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:53 PM   #7032
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Wait, what?

This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...

Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?
He is going for $10,000,000 punitive.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:55 PM   #7033
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Wait, what?

This is a little strange, right, given there is a lawsuit filed? I mean, I don't even play a lawyer on TV, let alone on a poker stream, but ...

Also, what is "settle" here? Refund all pots lost?
Not that there has been any doubt, but if this is true, can take this as confirmation that there was cheating going down.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:55 PM   #7034
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Guys something struck me during the Veronica interview. She mentioned how Mike could have played a couple hands per sessions in god mode before July 18th 2018 to practice the system and get good at it. Im now digging into this theory because it makes sense. The smoking gun might be in plain site on the rail before July 18th. I briefly looked at this 1k sitngo that was played Feb 23rd 2018, and mike has a phone and ipad on his rail. Im going to look into this Feb 2018 stream and i encourage others to look into previous July 18th streams as well for any irregularities.

His phone and ipad are in crystal clear view, and i am hypothesizing that Mike may have actually opened the cheating app on phone (or through messaging) while its on rail to god mode pre July 2018 for only a couple times per stream to test his system. I just need time to look at it in depth.

One thing to know is mike’s show called “dream seat poker” took place way back in 2017. Lets look into if mike was practicing god mode maybe for only a couple hands per session pre July 2018 even if his devices are on the rail.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/232171434

Lets dissect streams from before the phone went under the table!


Just looked for one second and see some comments in chat from the vocal terror in re: Mike being on multiple devices at the table:

Moderatorcheer 1VocalTerror:no phones mic!
Moderatorcheer 1VocalTerror:mike*
ModeratorJimmybluffett:@vocalterror yo...👊
ModeratorJimmybluffett:he just "postleing"
Moderatorcheer 1VocalTerror:hes on like 8 devices.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:59 PM   #7035
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Just looked for one second and see some comments in chat from the vocal terror in re: Mike being on multiple devices at the table:

Moderatorcheer 1VocalTerror:no phones mic!
Moderatorcheer 1VocalTerror:mike*
ModeratorJimmybluffett:@vocalterror yo...👊
ModeratorJimmybluffett:he just "postleing"
Moderatorcheer 1VocalTerror:hes on like 8 devices.
Remember vocal terror is one of the graphics guys, and is either lance or taylor. (I get them mixed up.)
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:04 AM   #7036
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Not that there has been any doubt, but if this is true, can take this as confirmation that there was cheating going down.
If you believe there was cheating and if you believe Stones was involved in it; what difference does it make whether there is a settlement or if it goes to trial or even what the verdict of a trial may be? Most people believe what they believe, and that belief probably won't change whether Stones settles or not.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:04 AM   #7037
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https://www.barstoolbets.com/blogs/1...he-is-innocent
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:09 AM   #7038
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By the way, the "reflection of the screen on his glasses" thing is very real and very incriminating. He loves to hang his glasses off his shirt, and the bottom lens is often reflecting his phone, which is always on the BSOD when he is in God mode.

Which means he isn't watching sports or playing Candy Crush on the thing.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:12 AM   #7039
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If you believe there was cheating and if you believe Stones was involved in it; what difference does it make whether there is a settlement or if it goes to trial or even what the verdict of a trial may be? Most people believe what they believe, and that belief probably won't change whether Stones settles or not.
I haven’t listened to Joey’s podcast with Veronica yet, but, if they are reaching out to players talking about any sort of settlements/ reimbursements/ compensation it is because their internal investigation has confirmed cheating was going on. They absolutely would not be doing that unless that’s the case.

*if they’re reaching out to players to talk to/interview, that is different.

People can believe whatever they want. If they don’t believe cheating was going on, they don’t know anything about poker. If there’s a settlement/verdict stipulating cheating was going on & they still don’t want to believe it, then they are just straight fools.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:12 AM   #7040
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Remember vocal terror is one of the graphics guys, and is either lance or taylor. (I get them mixed up.)
I have read earlier in the thread that it's Taylor.

And also I haven't had the chance to reach out to Mike yet in this thread or elsewhere but I'm think it's about time I did.

This is NSFW but I do think it is important that I mention this to him:


https://youtu.be/duvRY76UFlo?t=25
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:13 AM   #7041
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:14 AM   #7042
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He did not cheat in all of them. Indeed, it might even be that he only superused in 50% of them, or even fewer. Even when he had his cheating tools, he failed to use them in 100% of hands (e.g. when someone was lurking too close to him and his phone, or when his accomplice was temporarily unavailable).

We need to identify all the sessions when he cheated, all the sessions when he didn't, and then also work out if he had accomplices, and ascertain whom they might be.
Ok. Link sessions and hands where Postle clearly cheated.

I play online based pretty much solely for my intuition. Timing tells are big factor for my decision for example. A lot more tells in live games.

If player wins like 19/20 sessions it does not say a thing. Pretty common variance if number of winning sessions is like 75%ish, which is probable quite close for good winning player live session winrate.

I watched that one 5h session where Postle booked 22k$ win. I would give him 1k$ hourly there. Some good variance, and then 10k$ donations since his opponents adapted poorly to his style. Nothing special. 400bb winning session in game with antes. Zero hands where there were some clear cheating going on. Nothing totally out of ordinary. Just very solid poker.

Postle was not even best player in that table. Second best, though best hourly in that table.

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Old 10-10-2019, 12:17 AM   #7043
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He has 1.9 million followers. lol

If he linked to this thread, this site would shut down.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:17 AM   #7044
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5:04:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0

Kind of interesting. Postle folds A8o on the button which seems flat out bizarre when its folded to him. He leaves the table. at 5:04:27 you can see him near Justin's office talking to someone, possibly Justin. Comes back to the table. I wonder what hes talking about. Could be absolutely nothing, but I figured I'd mention it.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:19 AM   #7045
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I haven’t listened to Joey’s podcast with Veronica yet, but, if they are reaching out to players talking about any sort of settlements/ reimbursements/ compensation it is because their internal investigation has confirmed cheating was going on. They absolutely would not be doing that unless that’s the case.

*if they’re reaching out to players to talk to/interview, that is different.

People can believe whatever they want. If they don’t believe cheating was going on, they don’t know anything about poker. If there’s a settlement/verdict stipulating cheating was going on & they still don’t want to believe it, then they are just straight fools.
The issue is you are assuming they are reaching out because their own investigation found evidence of cheating. I don't know if that is the case or not. What I can say confidentially is that a business will do what is in their best interests: and sometimes that means settling out of court vs having to deal with a lawsuit that will take who knows how long. There is a belief that court is risky; because you cannot control the outcome, whereas a negotiated settlement gives a business some level of control as to the outcome. Uncertainty is always more risky than certainty: and some are willing to pay for certainty rather than roll the dice on an uncertain outcome.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:20 AM   #7046
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Question: Can anyone identify a time before 4:16:00 in this stream where Postle appears to have his phone in his lap? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:21 AM   #7047
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By the way, the "reflection of the screen on his glasses" thing is very real and very incriminating. He loves to hang his glasses off his shirt, and the bottom lens is often reflecting his phone, which is always on the BSOD when he is in God mode.

Which means he isn't watching sports or playing Candy Crush on the thing.
I should mention. I was in Walmart today and cruised over to the sunglass section. There were several blue lensed sunglasses. Earlier in the thread when this sunglass reflection issue came up some thought that the blue hue of the sunglasses was the reason the screen appeared blue. I tried several reflections of different sunglasses in my iphone (which apparently Mike used) and even those blue shades reflected the exact face of my screen and not a hue blue reflection.

So the blue reflection has everything to do with his cell phone screen and nothing to do with the color of his sunglasses lens.

Cue ZZ Top.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:25 AM   #7048
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The issue is you are assuming they are reaching out because their own investigation found evidence of cheating. I don't know if that is the case or not. What I can say confidentially is that a business will do what is in their best interests: and sometimes that means settling out of court vs having to deal with a lawsuit that will take who knows how long. There is a belief that court is risky; because you cannot control the outcome, whereas a negotiated settlement gives a business some level of control as to the outcome. Uncertainty is always more risky than certainty: and some are willing to pay for certainty rather than roll the dice on an uncertain outcome.
Talking some generic business concept, sure, agree with you. In this specific situation that would make zero sense. Stand by my assumption.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:25 AM   #7049
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Ok. Link sessions and hands where Postle clearly cheated.
Are you ****ing stupid?
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:26 AM   #7050
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Calling all armchair detectives! Here is something that can help you with research, and will also help with the case against Postle and/or his accomplice(s), while also possibly exonerating innocent parties.

THIS is one of the many spreadsheets being completed. Even if you don't do any deep analysis yourself, you can use this spreadsheet to read about suspicions and you can follow links to the YouTube replays. (The spreadsheet is very wide; URLs are on the right).

If you look at the spreadsheet right now, possibly the first thing you will notice is that the majority of sessions are "uninvestigated". Wouldn't you like to be the first to find another smoking gun?

Here's where you come in. You can pick an "uninvestigated session", follow the link to it, and then watch it, either at high-speed looking for general info, or slower in search of specific details.
You can then right-click in the relevant cell and add your notes. These will show up with a little yellow triangle. It would be very useful if you add timestamps, so that your observations can be confirmed by others.

e.g. A note on God-moding:


It's important that sessions where Postle doesn't appear to be cheating are also studied. Something you see/hear in that session might provide an explanation for how he cheated in others.

You don't have to focus on the God Mode column. I've been looking at sessions for evidence of particular staff members, and I plan to do more of this. If you see JFK in the booth, or walking around, make a note and get a timestamp. If you hear the commentators speak to Taylor (or Lance), or see him on the floor, make a note:


If you see something that looks suspicious but don't know if it's important, or there's a hand where you're not sure if Postle is cheating, by all means post it in this thread and see what others say.
If we can get this spreadsheet filled out, then VerStandig and the other lawyers can totally nail these guys, and get the highest amount of damages for all the victims. Let's go, Team NVG!

Spreadsheet link, once more: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290
Thank you for doing this. Watching these videos, I think its very hard to tell when hes cheating or not. I think rather than have one person investigate and say god mode on or off, you should ask for what the probability they think he cheated during the session. I think this will be useful information and will prevent false positives.
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