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Old 10-01-2019, 07:48 PM   #676
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https://www.pocketfives.com/forums/t...fleacer-on-ub/

yngmanN4quiki aka mike postle on p5s posts:

"LOL- If you watch sometimes he plays small games and sometimes bigger games. I'll drop that as a hint and tell you that he has a friend who sneaks on his acct sometimes and plays. I;m guessin (well I'm pretty sure ) that you talked to his friend."

in this thread talking about a ub player named "fleacer" while "fleacer" is yngmanN4quiki's aka postle's pstars name. feels right
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:51 PM   #677
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Couldn’t selected a better SN then Fleacer lolz
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:52 PM   #678
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i'm not sure why people (mike) are pointing out that he won on ub in 2006 or whatever
it's irrelevant.all you had to do to win back then was not be totally ******ed.maybe he won honestly back then, maybe he cheated. either way he's clearly cheating now.younger 2p2ers really have no grasp on how soft the games were back then.

if any of us not just won, but absolutely crushed 30ish sessions in a row, why would you leave the second filming stopped when those same opponents kept playing?
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:53 PM   #679
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For televised streams like Stones and LATB, the room should randomly assign seating positions and players should not be able to change seats. It should be like a one-table Sit n Go. I get the impression that Stones does not assign seats to players on stream. I would consider seat assignments part of your policy to ensuring game integrity, just like no smart phones or smart watches at the table.

Remember, this is a televised stream with RFID, the rules should be more stringent than the other cash tables that are not streamed and do not have RFID.
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when I played on Stones we all drew for seats before the show. You were allowed to move into an empty seat if someone had left.
from a tv production / game show standpoint, i would say no seat change allowed. no phones allowed of course. sunglasses/hats discouraged.

then maybe we wouldn't have these cheating allegations as well.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:55 PM   #680
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https://www.pocketfives.com/forums/t...fleacer-on-ub/

yngmanN4quiki aka mike postle on p5s posts:

"LOL- If you watch sometimes he plays small games and sometimes bigger games. I'll drop that as a hint and tell you that he has a friend who sneaks on his acct sometimes and plays. I;m guessin (well I'm pretty sure ) that you talked to his friend."

in this thread talking about a ub player named "fleacer" while "fleacer" is yngmanN4quiki's aka postle's pstars name. feels right

He has said publically that his SN is also The Fleacer or something similar spelt differently
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:55 PM   #681
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A friend of mine is an electrical engineer for a slot machine gaming company. This is what he has to say about the matter:

"I know a lot about RFID. I've designed circuits using it. The claim of RFID misreading an 8 as a 7 is ridiculous. It doesn't work like that. RFID tags have a long string of numbers. For example 2839489359595. That number would correlate to a specific card. Let's say that is the 8 of hearts. The 7s would each have another long string of numbers that would be unique to each of them. The 7s could be numbers such as 8347382020, 28493847393, 1930384394, and 28494839393. If the RFID misread, the overwhelming odds are it would come up with a blank card as the numbers have to exactly match for each card in the deck and it would require reading the card a second time.

There's virtually no chance a misread would come up with a 7. "

"It's possible to read RFID with a phone, but it requires an additional antenna. It would be possible to modify a phone to integrate the antenna. It would be relatively easy for a casino to detect whether there was an extra RFID reader at the table if they wanted to check.

It's far more likely that he's got someone communicating with him. To be able to read RFID across the table and distinguish between all of the cards would almost require some magic. If you have 2 RFID tags and try to read them at the same time, it's difficult to put it mildly."

"In order to read RFID tags, the reader has to be transmitting a signal. It would take a simple RF sniffer to detect such a device. The casino could easily find someone to check for that. If they're using RFID, it's something they should be checking.

I've designed some wireless equipment for casino use. Most casinos are beyond paranoid about hacking and most are afraid of wireless stuff. If they're using RFID, it's beyond negligent for them not to be checking for cheaters.

It would take a very sophisticated device to be able to read all the cards on the table. I kind of doubt that's what he's doing. It's far more likely that someone is cluing him in from outside. There are literally thousands of people who could write a custom phone app to send him hole card data."
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:57 PM   #682
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Couldn’t selected a better SN then Fleacer lolz
I thought it was a troll. lol
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:03 PM   #683
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From various other sources including looking up his screennames myself.
Not saying he didn’t cheat 100% but I myself am doubting these allegations.
First of all, the only evidence people have against him is his the small sample of soul reads that don’t divert from his standard style of play over the last 15 years or so. Multiple reputable players including Chris moneymaker vouched for him crushing games live and online when they played together all the way back to 2006 even. I can vouch that he crushed every time I saw him play including getting runner up to me for player of the series at an ante up series.
I played him heads up that series and his style of play was so different from every other pro. At the time I thought he was one of the best I ever played against. Still do. Unless this whole time hes been managing to cheat in every venue both live and online??? There is also a chance that he is a crusher who gave into temptation and cheated on live stream, but that’s not what my gut tells me having all the info that I do. I don’t know all the facts but I’m pretty sure I know more than 99% of people pointing the finger saying cheater.
Come talk **** when/if I’m wrong. I very well could be 🤷🏼*♂️

The allegation is that he is somehow expliting the RFID system on the livestream or is in collusion with somone at the Stones games. Unless your data shows that he has the same tendencies that he's exhibited when playing with the RFID deck at the Stones games, it doesn't really prove much.

I've played against him live over the years and I've never seen him this aggro or lose. It's possible that he could have massively improved his game out west (he says he doesn't study the game though, just human psychology). If he has developed live reads that let him assume that he is facking two AKs in a three-way pot....then he needs to collect a 1 million dollar check from James Randi for supernatural abilities.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:05 PM   #684
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Lance Hudspeth (Executive Producer for Stones Live) has a bachelors degree in computer science.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:07 PM   #685
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He got scammed once. Therefore, it's defensible.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:07 PM   #686
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he knows his cards are live, and he's gonna c/f ace high and queen high boards

he's also obviously an idiot
I agree, with a caveat - either he's an idiot, or he's also adding balancing hands to divert the suspicion of cheating.

I honestly think more balance for the current accusations should be considered at the moment. I watched an hour or so from one of the previously posted links, and I didn't see any god mode. In fact, one significant hand involved him facing a significant raise from AQ suited while he held A7 offsuit preflop. He hemmed and hawed and then called.

There are only two ways that hand, and the earlier one I mentioned, make sense - either he's using boss-level metagame to preemptively discredit cheating allegations, or he's simply trying non-standard/long-term unprofitable plays to maximize unpredictability. From the streams I've seen so far, I'm leaning toward the latter.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:10 PM   #687
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I agree, with a caveat - either he's an idiot, or he's also adding balancing hands to divert the suspicion of cheating.

I honestly think more balance for the current accusations should be considered at the moment. I watched an hour or so from one of the previously posted links, and I didn't see any god mode. In fact, one significant hand involved him facing a significant raise from AQ suited while he held A7 offsuit preflop. He hemmed and hawed and then called.

There are only two ways that hand, and the earlier one I mentioned, make sense - either he's using boss-level metagame to preemptively discredit cheating allegations, or he's simply trying non-standard/long-term unprofitable plays to maximize unpredictability. From the streams I've seen so far, I'm leaning toward the latter.
You realize I think we only having calling 1 40$ bet while behind so far?
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:24 PM   #688
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For televised streams like Stones and LATB, the room should randomly assign seating positions and players should not be able to change seats. It should be like a one-table Sit n Go. I get the impression that Stones does not assign seats to players on stream. I would consider seat assignments part of your policy to ensuring game integrity, just like no smart phones or smart watches at the table.
I know that LATB definitely draws for seats, even if you're showing up late they leave it empty.

Only thing they'll do is if you need special seating, like Nick V pre-glasses, they'll put you in a seat and then draw around you.
Nick couldn't see he said pre-glasses in seats other than like 5-6 so they'd draw around him, but position was still random.

I guess maybe Stones doesn't care and Mike is usually S1?
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:26 PM   #689
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I watched an hour or so from one of the previously posted links, and I didn't see any god mode. In fact, one significant hand involved him facing a significant raise from AQ suited while he held A7 offsuit preflop. He hemmed and hawed and then called.
If you know that someone holds AQs 100% of the time and he doesn't know what you have, you can call that preflop raise profitably with any two cards.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:30 PM   #690
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You realize I think we only having calling 1 40$ bet while behind so far?
And what about this one:



With J3 suited, and hole card knowledge, what would he have been hoping for?
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:31 PM   #691
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A friend of mine is an electrical engineer for a slot machine gaming company. This is what he has to say about the matter:

"I know a lot about RFID. I've designed circuits using it. The claim of RFID misreading an 8 as a 7 is ridiculous. It doesn't work like that. RFID tags have a long string of numbers. For example 2839489359595. That number would correlate to a specific card. Let's say that is the 8 of hearts. The 7s would each have another long string of numbers that would be unique to each of them. The 7s could be numbers such as 8347382020, 28493847393, 1930384394, and 28494839393. If the RFID misread, the overwhelming odds are it would come up with a blank card as the numbers have to exactly match for each card in the deck and it would require reading the card a second time.

There's virtually no chance a misread would come up with a 7. "

"It's possible to read RFID with a phone, but it requires an additional antenna. It would be possible to modify a phone to integrate the antenna. It would be relatively easy for a casino to detect whether there was an extra RFID reader at the table if they wanted to check.

It's far more likely that he's got someone communicating with him. To be able to read RFID across the table and distinguish between all of the cards would almost require some magic. If you have 2 RFID tags and try to read them at the same time, it's difficult to put it mildly."

"In order to read RFID tags, the reader has to be transmitting a signal. It would take a simple RF sniffer to detect such a device. The casino could easily find someone to check for that. If they're using RFID, it's something they should be checking.

I've designed some wireless equipment for casino use. Most casinos are beyond paranoid about hacking and most are afraid of wireless stuff. If they're using RFID, it's beyond negligent for them not to be checking for cheaters.

It would take a very sophisticated device to be able to read all the cards on the table. I kind of doubt that's what he's doing. It's far more likely that someone is cluing him in from outside. There are literally thousands of people who could write a custom phone app to send him hole card data."
Thanks for this info. It proves one of two things, Postle is lying about the hand or there's something seriously ****ed up with whatever system they have going on at Stones. Viewers have reported that this happens 10 times a night on stream so I propose both to be true.

But seriously, how hard could it be to read a couple 1s and 0s on a card? Not reading whole cards I can understand. Also, putting up the wrong board is possible if the dealer accidentally scans the burn card. But its just so easy for Postle to lie about it, and it apparently really does happen multiple times on stream which is just embarrassing and shows how incompetent Stones actually is. How can we trust their "internal investigation" when they can't even get this right and try to quell rumors with a single tweet?
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:31 PM   #692
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Okay, here I go posting this session again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc

He clears $20k in this session alone. Just ****ing watch it.

It seems like most people following these events think that Joey's first posts and the stream he did was an aggregation of all the craziest Postle hands. It wasn't, it was just Joey watching a random session or two and picking out the most damning hands from those two sessions. The youtube page is filled with dozens of streams just like it. Like this one I linked here, it's FILLED with super-user hands. Months and months of hands like that. Hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen by Mike Postle. While laughing at the people he steals from.

edit: Bad Beat Bill, I realize you're not arguing for Mike btw, this reply by me sounds hostile towards you, it's not meant to be

Funnily enough its the female commentator in that stream that rumbles him. I wonder how long she suspected for but had to play along
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:31 PM   #693
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I'm impressed that in less than 24 hours some of yall have watched 1500+ hours of Stones Live
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:32 PM   #694
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He got scammed once. Therefore, it's defensible.
He got scammed or he was trying to scam them?
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:36 PM   #695
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I strongly caution anybody from playing on Stones Live in the future.

Now that Postle is caught, he's likely going to sell his cheating methodology to the the highest bidder, or if he has an accomplice, that person will play in the game and crush, making careful to lose big pots now and again like we've all taught him to do in this thread.

IMO, the Stones Live game needs to be shut down.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:38 PM   #696
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just watched the first 3 hrs of joeys youtube video on this guy and the guy is either the best player of all time by a huge margin or he has some sort of advantage. u get a guy like joey, who is the cheating oracle, saying over and over that hes a god and these guys streaming the game are even calling him the apostle something has to be up. the APOSTLE walks away with 7k+ every session, is never wrong, his river aggression is off the charts and hes just sitting there laughing in these guys faces immed after betting. its pretty amazing that this has gone on for so long without anyone thinking something is up.

someone mentioned hey check his hendonmob results this guy is no joke. so ok fine lets check it. what does the greatest player of all time's live poker results look like? 100s of wins? infinite final tables? playing 25k 8 max high rollers in Helsinki? Nah man, hes just ****in GRINDING $100 dailys and a few 500s, even a ****in $50 buy in in there. 10 cashes this year so hes gotta be playing tournaments somewhat regularly? this is just insane. 2018 is the same thing. 13 cashes, all buyins under $500. 2017 is even more ridiculous. 30 cashes in 2017 with the biggest buyin being $455. this guy walks out of the stones 5/5 game with 7k every time and this is his play? hes literally the best player of all time and hes grinding dailys, ante up events, and 365 circuit events and doing ok? he even threw in a win in the stones spring classic for 36k which gave me a little chuckle.
why would someone even waste their time playing tournaments that size when you make $7k every time you play a cash game? only reason I can think of is because you're not actually taking home $7k when you win $7k.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:38 PM   #697
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Looks like Mike has quite the knowledge of custom mobile apps and the like. Even had a business pertaining to that kind of technology. No wonder he's friends with half the team that run the stream tech at the casino:

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Old 10-01-2019, 08:40 PM   #698
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And what about this one:



With J3 suited, and hole card knowledge, what would he have been hoping for?
Can you post the whole hand ?
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:44 PM   #699
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And what about this one:



With J3 suited, and hole card knowledge, what would he have been hoping for?
A fat side pot
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I strongly caution anybody from playing on Stones Live in the future.

Now that Postle is caught, he's likely going to sell his cheating methodology to the the highest bidder, or if he has an accomplice, that person will play in the game and crush, making careful to lose big pots now and again like we've all taught him to do in this thread.

IMO, the Stones Live game needs to be shut down.
I dont think anyone is going to be rushing off to play there any time soon.
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