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Old 10-09-2019, 06:40 PM   #6926
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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MUST WATCH and tweet/share it out

New video i just found. Watch this one about another example of Rfids not working!!! Here we can see another example of mikes rfid not registering his hole cards. Watch as he tries to get his cards on the rfid again. It doesnt work so he has to actually peel instead of look in lap at phone. Clear evidence!

01:13:15 is about when it happens. Its very subtle but pay close attention to the left side of the screen. (Im on mobile so im sorry i dont have a timestamped link.) But check 01:13:15 for the hand.

Also you can see Mike called the inital 75 blind. Then he shows veronica the 6 3.

https://youtu.be/hqq-FCkt4Mk
In the other hands where Postle's cards are wrong does Stones Live Poker come into the chat during the hand to say that his hand is wrong?

I'm at work so I can't find the original stream of the 89ss hand, and I've only seen it with Joey and Doug watching with no chat.

It's just interesting that someone would immediately come into the chat to tell the audience, before Postle has even acted pre-flop. But in the other instances it seemed like someone would come tell the booth they were wrong and they would inform the audience, after Postle had made his inexplicable play.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:43 PM   #6927
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Wait - so can I or can I not make $1000/hr playing $1/$3 PLO?

I've got my resignation letter all printed - but I need confirmation before I slide it under my boss' door.
Is your name mike postle? If not, get back to work you mere mortal.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:43 PM   #6928
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Basically, you are comparing apples and oranges.
Yes, but you have to if you try to estimate what hourly is possible (unless you have a lot of experience in soft 1000bb deep games).

In live small stakes games there is drunktards to donate etc.

500$ would be breakeven, but one 1000bb buy-in donation per 6 hour play.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:43 PM   #6929
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PassiveIsBetter, your argument only works for uncapped vs capped games at the same level. There's plenty of times where I play 10/20 and 8 players want to make it 20/40 but one doesn't and there is a chance we could break the game bc we move up in stakes. So we try to make it 10/20/40. Either way, that game might play "bigger" than 10/20 bc we have action players, but people are still going to play according to bets relative to the pot and blinds. You clearly have no understanding of higher stakes games and playing with deep stacks.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:44 PM   #6930
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Is your name mike postle? If not, get back to work.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:45 PM   #6931
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Quoting the "wrong" post is fairly common in forums like this. Person X posts something. Person Y quotes Person X. Person Z (reading the thread chronologically) wants to also reply to Person X but doesn't want to take the time to find the original post, so simply quotes Person Y's post.

It is almost always harmless and unintentional (even if it is occasionally a bit confusing).
Ok, thanks for the info. wont be as tilted the next time it happens lol
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:49 PM   #6932
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Yes, but you have to if you try to estimate what hourly is possible (unless you have a lot of experience in soft 1000bb deep games).

In live small stakes games there is drunktards to donate etc.

500$ would be breakeven, but one 1000bb buy-in donation per 6 hour play.
We are comparing Postles win rates to the best players in the world. Those players play uncapped games. We aren't comparing him to a good reg at a capped 1/3 game. Everything is calculated in bbs. What the **** is your point?
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:50 PM   #6933
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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PassiveIsBetter, your argument only works for uncapped vs capped games at the same level. There's plenty of times where I play 10/20 and 8 players want to make it 20/40 but one doesn't and there is a chance we could break the game bc we move up in stakes. So we try to make it 10/20/40. Either way, that game might play "bigger" than 10/20 bc we have action players, but people are still going to play according to bets relative to the pot and blinds. You clearly have no understanding of higher stakes games and playing with deep stacks.
I just don't understand how these people have ever played poker, period. If a player is *averaging* 200-300 bb an HOUR, that cannibalizes the game. That game, is not sustainable unless the other players are super rich.

To average that much you have to literally never have a losing session. That is basically impossible in PLO as well. Good PLO players don't have the same session win % as holdem players due to the variance.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:52 PM   #6934
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://youtu.be/-DEYYP6xly0?t=15440

Interesting comment in the Stones chat. "Mike's VPIP from cash game to tourney sure differ a lot in cash games he plays everything." Could this be someone who has played with Mike in tourneys (where there are no RFID cards/ no cheating) giving us a glimpse of how he plays off stream and arguing against Mike's claims he always plays crazy? We know he doesn't play crazy when hes not in God mode but it's interesting to see someone realize this back in March.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:53 PM   #6935
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

@ lawdude
I played the stream 1 time against mp. I was profitable. I have estimated that I may have lost value in a flush over flush scenario against mp, as well as a couple other spots for a max loss maybe 700. Is it worth my time and possible expenses to become a coplaintiff? I was originally under the impression it was a class action and I didn't see any harm in joining. It is not currently a class action and the engagement letter says 46% of the top to Vander Law firm. It also talks about travel expenses, hourly rates and many other possible fees. I would like to avoid being a victim twice. Any advice is appreciated
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:56 PM   #6936
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I just don't understand how these people have ever played poker, period. If a player is *averaging* 200-300 bb an HOUR, that cannibalizes the game. That game, is not sustainable unless the other players are super rich.

To average that much you have to literally never have a losing session. That is basically impossible in PLO as well. Good PLO players don't have the same session win % as holdem players due to the variance.
It’s sustainable if you can se opponents hole cards
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:58 PM   #6937
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Yes, but you have to if you try to estimate what hourly is possible (unless you have a lot of experience in soft 1000bb deep games).

In live small stakes games there is drunktards to donate etc.

500$ would be breakeven, but one 1000bb buy-in donation per 6 hour play.
Oh ffs your still going? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt because you actually are correct. It is theoretically possible to win 900bb/100 over 300 hours at 1/3 2/5 or any stakes.

You know what is also mathematically possible? Winning the lottery 5 times in a row.

Could you theoretically win $1000/hr at 1/3 PLO over a large sample? Sure.

But, if someone does pull off a win-rate like that, they should not be surprised when we get suspicious.

If mike postle was truely innocent, he would understand what I outlined above, any player that good at cards is going to understand the mathematical improbability in which they just pulled off, mike does not show that.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:59 PM   #6938
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@ lawdude
I played the stream 1 time against mp. I was profitable. I have estimated that I may have lost value in a flush over flush scenario against mp, as well as a couple other spots for a max loss maybe 700. Is it worth my time and possible expenses to become a coplaintiff? I was originally under the impression it was a class action and I didn't see any harm in joining. It is not currently a class action and the engagement letter says 46% of the top to Vander Law firm. It also talks about travel expenses, hourly rates and many other possible fees. I would like to avoid being a victim twice. Any advice is appreciated
Under state bar rules, I can't give you any specific advice given both the public forum and the lack of a lawyer-client relationship between us. But you definitely need to seek independent legal advice before proceeding one way or the other. If you know a civil litigator that you can speak to or can find a civil litigator who will give you a free initial consultation, you should do so.

And I would advise anyone who is a potential plaintiff to do the same thing before deciding how to proceed.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:02 PM   #6939
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Under state bar rules, I can't give you any specific advice given both the public forum and the lack of a lawyer-client relationship between us. But you definitely need to seek independent legal advice before proceeding one way or the other. If you know a civil litigator that you can speak to or can find a civil litigator who will give you a free initial consultation, you should do so.

And I would advise anyone who is a potential plaintiff to do the same thing before deciding how to proceed.
Thank you sir for your response.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:02 PM   #6940
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It’s sustainable if you can se opponents hole cards
A game like that can only run like, once a week though. The only reason this Stones game ran as long as it did was because they recruited players from out of town. If you have a player winning that much, the game will die unless measures are taken to keep it on life support.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:04 PM   #6941
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From same stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
1:15:20

Anthony and Postle have both 43o. Anthony bets flop and Postle folds.
Wow! Great find, maybe you should stop posting and help Postle build a counter narrative. Good Luck with that
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:06 PM   #6942
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Quoting the "wrong" post is fairly common in forums like this. Person X posts something. Person Y quotes Person X. Person Z (reading the thread chronologically) wants to also reply to Person X but doesn't want to take the time to find the original post, so simply quotes Person Y's post.
Tip for those who might want to quickly jump to a quoted post: Click the little blue arrow next to the poster's name inside the quote box, and it takes you directly to that post. You can then quote that post if that's the one you really want to quote.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:09 PM   #6943
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Under state bar rules, I can't give you any specific advice given both the public forum and the lack of a lawyer-client relationship between us. But you definitely need to seek independent legal advice before proceeding one way or the other. If you know a civil litigator that you can speak to or can find a civil litigator who will give you a free initial consultation, you should do so.

And I would advise anyone who is a potential plaintiff to do the same thing before deciding how to proceed.
That will be $1000, he accepts Paypal and Venmo.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:09 PM   #6944
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Am I being punked? Why are people quoting me and arguing against me while agreeing with my point. This is the second time this has happened. Mb a glitch in the matrix? Mb Postle God has hacked 2p2?


No one was arguing against you you’re just reading poorly today bro, it’s ok I have those days too
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:10 PM   #6945
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I just don't understand how these people have ever played poker, period. If a player is *averaging* 200-300 bb an HOUR, that cannibalizes the game. That game, is not sustainable unless the other players are super rich.

To average that much you have to literally never have a losing session. That is basically impossible in PLO as well. Good PLO players don't have the same session win % as holdem players due to the variance.
Yea, I assume the other players of Stones live offset their losses either from having an actual job or grinding off stream.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:12 PM   #6946
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No one was arguing against you you’re just reading poorly today bro, it’s ok I have those days too
I think I just didn't understand indirect quoting. I do now though and will use it myself.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:13 PM   #6947
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Quoting the "wrong" post is fairly common in forums like this. Person X posts something. Person Y quotes Person X. Person Z (reading the thread chronologically) wants to also reply to Person X but doesn't want to take the time to find the original post, so simply quotes Person Y's post.

It is almost always harmless and unintentional (even if it is occasionally a bit confusing).
Edit: never mind I slow ponied myself
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:14 PM   #6948
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I think I just didn't understand indirect quoting. I do now though and will use it myself.


FWIW you’re crushing the thread today dealing with some really inane and bad posters, your patience is impressive
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:17 PM   #6949
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FWIW you’re crushing the thread today dealing with some really inane and bad posters, your patience is impressive
thanks appreciate the shoutout
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:30 PM   #6950
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Hey guys, first time posting here in about 10 years. Mind is blown. Been playing poker for 15 years and haven't seen anything quite like this, well maybe pottripper. Can't believe I'm comparing GTO with CTO (crotch theory optimal aka what's the best line when my opponent's hole cards are in my crotch). I've invested 50+ hours into this so I'm pretty well informed.

I was watching Joey Ingram's stream last night until 3am, then woken up by the lead investigator in the criminal case at 8am. I've been in contact with them the last few days, mostly relaying a lot of the videos and posts here to them. Great job by the entire poker community minus Matasow on putting this whole case together. As of this morning, Postle has not been arrested. The investigating team still doesn't have all the evidence for criminal conviction although I sent them the 6 minute Berkey video + 33 minute GUMPNSTEIN video + blue phone screen shot all this morning, so we'll see if that changes anything.

We all know Postle is cheating, but we need 100% proof. I dissected the only 10-25-50nl game on Stones Live Poker today. Last night I had it playing while watching Ingram's stream and didn't think he was in God mode at all, but after dissecting it today, he's in God mode but only after 3:31:00. First hand in God mode is AQ. Sorry for being off about that in the chat last night. Crazy to watch though. He's almost for sure not in God mode and crushing the game the first 3 and a half hours, then decides to flip the switch. Also there's a guy standing behind him from 2:32:40 until 3:26:00, he tries to go into God mode at 3:26:29, but realizes the guy is still standing beside him, so it would look fishy, so he gets up, walks around, misses a hand, comes back and the guy isn't standing behind him any more and he's almost 100% in God mode for the next 45 minutes. Plays completely different than the first 3 and a half hours, lots of crotch staring. I'm sure there are other examples of this, but after watching this, its safe to assume that he's always switching back and forth between playing legit and God mode, it's not a consistent thing. Also when he's not in God mode, he's still pretty damn good. He plays a few strange hand like the 45 v Ac9c, QJ v QT, and open folds A8o on the button in the last 30 minutes of the stream. Its tough to determine if he's in God mode in these hands, or if he's content with running $5k up to $26k and doesn't want to make it any more obvious, puke. The reason why I was so curious about this stream is because it was after allegations were made, cell phones were banned and it said God mode on the spreadsheet you guys made, with hours of him clearly not being in God mode. I thought Stones and Postle might have tried to play clean on this stream, but nope, just a 3 and a half hour set up winning 10k on top of the 10k he was already up.

Also I think it's worth noting his play against "Augie" after watching this stream. This is pure speculation and I have no proof other than the way they play a few hands, its just weird. The 65 v TT, A4 v KT, AQ v J9, its all just really really weird, could be nothing, but worth noting. If anyone can confirm or deny this, LMK.

What the investigating team and I (can't believe I'm going to this length of investigation) are mostly looking for is proof of other stones employees in connection with Postle and more proof with the cell phone. Just encouraging you all to continue to work on this for criminal conviction. He (and connected stones employees) really deserves to be in jail for this and its nice to see so many people wanting to keep the game clean as you all have shown! If you want to contact me directly please PM me on twitter @PeterNeffPoker and please let me know if there is any new evidence I should look at, thanks! -Peter Neff
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