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Old 10-09-2019, 05:24 PM   #6876
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What are you talking about? That is not an example of Postle laying down the best hand. He calls preflop and flop while he still has a chance at cracking kings, and he folds the turn as soon as he's drawing dead even though he has second pair. This is one of the worst examples you could have chosen in your defense.
Both plays are -EV if you know your opponent have KK. And quite a big -EV especially flop call.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:24 PM   #6877
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Just another sellout
He said he out it on to troll Stones.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:27 PM   #6878
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He said he out it on to troll Stones.
Yea, he later said the Stones patch was a troll and also said he won't get a dime from the lawsuit as he is donating any money to Veronica and possibly something else.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:27 PM   #6879
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Both plays are -EV if you know your opponent have KK. And quite a big -EV especially flop call.
Calling pre is not -EV when you can see the cards. And folding on the flop after hitting a pair is too obvious that he is cheating. Show us a hand where he calls on the river for his stack when he is beat. You can't. There is only one hand where that happens when he isn't godmoding. Stop being so dense.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:27 PM   #6880
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Both plays are -EV if you know your opponent have KK. And quite a big -EV especially flop call.
His whole game is making what would normally be -EV calls, but they're not for him since he knows his opponent's cards so his implied odds are huge, and he is never guessing. He knows he can stack his opponent if his cards hit.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:28 PM   #6881
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For Postle to fold that flop he might as well post a sign on his head that says "I am cheating"
First you paint man into corner saying that he did just that (not youpersonally, but collective). Then there is counter evidence against claim that he played every hand perfectly by knowing his opponents hole cards, and then argument changes that yes he knew but every time he played unoptimally he did it to not get caught.

Problem with that argument is, that with that argument it's quite hard to differ play good + run superhot from knowing your opponent cards and use that information at times.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:30 PM   #6882
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His whole game is making what would normally be -EV calls, but they're not for him since he knows his opponent's cards so his implied odds are huge, and he is never guessing. He knows he can stack his opponent if his cards hit.
Postle have in that hand 5k$ behind. So flop is like 250$ mistake at least assuming opponent hole cards are known.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:31 PM   #6883
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I really liked Berkey's video and it was invaluable, but found his "technical description" of the board cringy (just a personal thing as an engineer) and his hiding of that IP address really weird. How likely is that it was a routeable (public) IP address?
Also he could always just map his internal IP to www.dingleberry.com in his hosts file and then use that on the air.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:31 PM   #6884
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Like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
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Postle CO Td8d raise
SB 3-bet KK, Postle call.

Flop Kd8c4s

SB bets 450$ (pot size 1.3k$), Postle call.

Turn 3c

SB bets, Postle folds.

Very standard. If Postle knew holecards then fold pre and fold flop.
Not if he thinks a runner-runner flush can get the kings' stack.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:31 PM   #6885
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Like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
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Postle CO Td8d raise
SB 3-bet KK, Postle call.

Flop Kd8c4s

SB bets 450$ (pot size 1.3k$), Postle call.

Turn 3c

SB bets, Postle folds.

Very standard. If Postle knew holecards then fold pre and fold flop.
yeah no he's calling pre flop because he figures his implied odds are good enough to stack kings (or bluff him off on A high boards), then he calls flop because of backdoor draws, it's the same with the JTo hand where he float flop 932 against 99, but then folded on a J turn against half pot bet in a single raised pot and the pot was tiny

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Old 10-09-2019, 05:32 PM   #6886
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Yeah. He is now banned for good.
Looks like we have another troll that you should be keeping an eye on.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:35 PM   #6887
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Someone would have to give you access to the server on which the software is running.


You couldn't just happen to know the IP address and expect to get connected.
You could use an app like Angry IP Scanner and scan the entire subnet for live IP addresses with open ports.

If the DHCP server provides you with an address on the same subnet that the hole card stream is being broadcast on, you could theoretically know the IP address without someone explicitly telling you.

If you were really crafty, you'd use a vulnerability scanner against the open ports in efforts to breach any security mechanisms in place.

That's the script kiddie way of doing it.

If Postile did this, it's possible that he violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

Did he? Who knows? I just know that you can't go around randomly pentesting and attempting to/successfully breaching someones network. Even if their password is password.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:36 PM   #6888
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Will be interested to see Berkeys pod with Doug and go more in depth about how it could have been done.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:36 PM   #6889
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That's not a plausible scenario. It's a wildly imaginative scenario. The plausible scenario is he was cheating for the quarter million dollars he won at the felt and the continued winnings he expected to gain.

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This scam only works in that casino at those stakes. Better players would see through the BS and he obviously can't play elsewhere.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:37 PM   #6890
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The problem is that the plaintiffs are not out of pocket for amounts that Postle would have won anyway. For instance, sometimes he was dealt the best hand, would have obviously played it, and would have obviously won. Or maybe Postle was in a hand where he had an obvious reasonable bluff spot and would have bluffed anyway.

So not every hand is fraudulent. And even on hands that are fraudulent, the players wouldn't necessarily have received all the money Postle put into those pots. For instance, there are hands where Postle had the best hand but wouldn't have checked the river to induce a bluff. So in that situation, perhaps only the river bet is money the person would have lost.

It's a gigantic can of worms. And it would require expert testimony, and in some sense the amount people really would have won/lost if Postle played honestly is unknowable.

The $250,000 is basically the only plausible approach to damages here. Anything else gets you down a very expensive rabbit hole in terms of legal fees and expert costs.
Could an individual victim simply go through the hands he was involved in, calculate a reasonable estimate of the loss due to cheating, and file a suit in small claims court?
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:37 PM   #6891
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Why are people even entertaining/ arguing with someone whose proof that Postle laid down the best hand was showing a hand where Postle laid down the worst hand.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:38 PM   #6892
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At least in stream I watched Postle laid down his best hand many times.
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First you paint man into corner saying that he did just that (not youpersonally, but collective). Then there is counter evidence against claim that he played every hand perfectly by knowing his opponents hole cards, and then argument changes that yes he knew but every time he played unoptimally he did it to not get caught.

Problem with that argument is, that with that argument it's quite hard to differ play good + run superhot from knowing your opponent cards and use that information at times.
Look, this is getting silly.

You seem to be new to the thread (not that there is anything wrong with that) and seem to be uninformed about the details and descriptions of the allegations.

Please go back and read the first post in the thread which gives a "high level" summary of the situation. If you have the time and inclination, I'd also suggest skimming the thread and/or watching the videos by Joey and others.

As another poster just posted, it has become very difficult to differentiate your posts from those that would come from a troll.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:38 PM   #6893
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yeah no he's calling pre flop because he figures his implied odds are good enough to stack kings, then he calls flop because of backdoor draws, it's the same with the JTo hand where he float flop 932 against 99, but then folded on a J turn against half pot bet in a single raised pot and the pot was tiny
In flop: pot size 1.3k$

Flop bet 450$

Postle stack size 5k$.

Probability for Postle to win: <4%. Need to have much more for call.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:38 PM   #6894
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Why are people even entertaining/ arguing with someone whose proof that Postle laid down the best hand was showing a hand where Postle laid down the worst hand.
Great point. Does Postle ever fold the winning hand?? No.

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In flop: pot size 1.3k$

Flop bet 450$

Postle stack size 5k$.

Probability for Postle to win: <4%. Need to have much more for call.
What stakes did you play??? Now?

He can't just fold flop after hitting a pair on a dry board it would be too obvious he is cheating. He's trying to hide it somewhat.

Show us Postle folding the best hand.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:39 PM   #6895
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his hiding of that IP address really weird.
Ahh, so I wasn't the only one ITT trying to get Berkey's IP address.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:40 PM   #6896
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Could an individual victim simply go through the hands he was involved in, calculate a reasonable estimate of the loss due to cheating, and file a suit in small claims court?
Yes. Up to $10,000. And the rules of evidence are less stringent there.

There's probably some value from a PR standpoint for the clients to be standing together on this. And there's immense value for the law firms involved. But if your sole purpose was to get some money back from Postle and Stones as quickly as possible, small claims would be a great idea.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:41 PM   #6897
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In flop: pot size 1.3k$

Flop bet 450$

Postle stack size 5k$.

Probability for Postle to win: <4%. Need to have much more for call.
anyway you can argue that Mike is bad I don't care, but please show me a spot where he folds the best hand
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:42 PM   #6898
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In flop: pot size 1.3k$

Flop bet 450$

Postle stack size 5k$.

Probability for Postle to win: <4%. Need to have much more for call.
Postle was a terrible cheat but sounds like you would of lasted one session before being caught. He can't just play every single street perfectly without being busted, the commentators and viewers are going to click on pretty quick no? Losing some EV on flops and turns to turn into the messiah on the river is a massive win for him and isn't as obvious he is cheating.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:46 PM   #6899
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

From same stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
1:15:20

Anthony and Postle have both 43o. Anthony bets flop and Postle folds.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:49 PM   #6900
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4TguWyUH0
(35 min)


Postle CO Td8d raise
SB 3-bet KK, Postle call.

Flop Kd8c4s

SB bets 450$ (pot size 1.3k$), Postle call.

Turn 3c

SB bets, Postle folds.

Very standard. If Postle knew holecards then fold pre and fold flop.
This just proves you don't know what you're talking about. He calls pre to try crack KK, and calls flop because of the back door flushdraw knowing if he hits his hand he can win a huge pot. It's a concept known as implied odds. He took the same line with the JT hand vs 999, even though he turned top pair in that example.

If he's never calling preflop when he's behind he's only calling AA in that spot, DUCY?

Please go watch Joey Ingram's second stream on Postle #2, and then come back to the thread. There's literally dozens of hands there that show he's cheating, all from a single session.
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