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Old 10-01-2019, 06:53 PM   #651
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Yeah I think given the evidence we have it seems more likely that Mike is doing this without help. He supposedly helped set up the live stream at some point?? Seems plausible that he is intercepting the RFID transmissions with his phone or his keys without input from another party. Or that he gained access to the computer that the information gets relayed to. My bet is that it's a one man job. BUt of course he could have insider help as well. One thing that's nearly certain though is that he is a cheating scumbag.

Deleting his linkedin account saying that he is a poker consultant is damning.

Just like Alec Torelli, Mike thinks he can cheat on a livestream and get away with it. Ridiculous. You're caught Mike!!!

Really gonna compare Alec to Mike? Seriously?
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Old 10-01-2019, 06:54 PM   #652
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Here is what is the most concerning thing about this, at least to me:

Imagine if he wasn't so blatant about it. Like, he makes it obvious he is cheating. Maybe he figured he would eventually get caught and wanted to make as much money as possible before which would make sense, sort of. But a much smarter player wouldn't do the obvious things that he is doing. They would lose pots. They would make bad calls on the river, they would get coolered. But they would win, and win a lot. Some of the hands people can make reasonable excuses for getting away from. But the hands where he calls with 54o, and shoves with 76o or 95o there really is no explanation for. It is obvious. That to me is the scariest thing. If he is doing it, and making it obvious that he is doing it, there has to be some guys out there who are doing the exact same thing but not like an idiot and not getting caught.
I think it had gone on long enough without detection that he likely just began to feel more and more safe about not getting caught. Also from some of the streams he clearly got a kick out of it and felt like no one really suspected much.

It would be naive to think there are not smarter players who do this and get away with it albeit for a much smaller win rate. Then again having access to live streamed games isn't something that is accessible for everyone.
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Old 10-01-2019, 06:59 PM   #653
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Really gonna compare Alec to Mike? Seriously?
They both cheated on live stream and thought they could get away with it. That's an easy and correct comparison.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:00 PM   #654
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found 89 sessions where mike p aka the apostle aka god aka ferrari played a total of 374 hours.
38 sessions at 5/5 nl
36 at 1/3 nl
5 at 5/5 plo
4 at 5/5/10 nl
1 at 1/3/5 plo, 5/10 nl, 5/10/20 nl, 1/3 plo8, 1/2 plo/nl mix, 10/25/50 nl

will go over the sessions tomorrow and see what he initially bought in for and what he ended the session with.
I was thinking about doing this earlier today but couldn't figure out an easy way to see if he reloaded in the middle of the show. If you can think of an easy way to figure this out or account for it in someway, I'll go through some shows later tonight and pm you the results so you don't have to sort through every single one.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:04 PM   #655
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They both cheated on live stream and thought they could get away with it. That's an easy and correct comparison.
As much as I despise Torelli itís really not.
Alec is an angler, Mike is a cheater.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:05 PM   #656
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You met the guys once yet you know how he used to beast durrrr and other highstakes pros, wins in every casino he plays and crushes tournaments...... seems legit
From various other sources including looking up his screennames myself.
Not saying he didnít cheat 100% but I myself am doubting these allegations.
First of all, the only evidence people have against him is his the small sample of soul reads that donít divert from his standard style of play over the last 15 years or so. Multiple reputable players including Chris moneymaker vouched for him crushing games live and online when they played together all the way back to 2006 even. I can vouch that he crushed every time I saw him play including getting runner up to me for player of the series at an ante up series.
I played him heads up that series and his style of play was so different from every other pro. At the time I thought he was one of the best I ever played against. Still do. Unless this whole time hes been managing to cheat in every venue both live and online??? There is also a chance that he is a crusher who gave into temptation and cheated on live stream, but thatís not what my gut tells me having all the info that I do. I donít know all the facts but Iím pretty sure I know more than 99% of people pointing the finger saying cheater.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:07 PM   #657
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Here is what is the most concerning thing about this, at least to me:

Imagine if he wasn't so blatant about it. Like, he makes it obvious he is cheating. Maybe he figured he would eventually get caught and wanted to make as much money as possible before which would make sense, sort of. But a much smarter player wouldn't do the obvious things that he is doing. They would lose pots. They would make bad calls on the river, they would get coolered. But they would win, and win a lot. Some of the hands people can make reasonable excuses for getting away from. But the hands where he calls with 54o, and shoves with 76o or 95o there really is no explanation for. It is obvious. That to me is the scariest thing. If he is doing it, and making it obvious that he is doing it, there has to be some guys out there who are doing the exact same thing but not like an idiot and not getting caught.
yea, after this, i would never play highstakes cash on live stream. i hope everyone realizes just how bad this is for poker. there needs to be better security measures to protect players.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:08 PM   #658
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I was thinking about doing this earlier today but couldn't figure out an easy way to see if he reloaded in the middle of the show. If you can think of an easy way to figure this out or account for it in someway, I'll go through some shows later tonight and pm you the results so you don't have to sort through every single one.
im not sure its really possible to do without taking a ridiculous amount of time. im fine with initial buyin and ending balance for a rough estimate for now
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:11 PM   #659
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How many streams has he played and how many eon and lost please?

Watched bit of Joey's review and at first I wasn't convinced, but there are so hands and spots that are way from standard and any great player would have a hard time justifying the lines taken, getting it in super light 54o v AK X2 aipf and a spot with but flush v straight flush just XC for less than 100BB with his nutjob image even on paired board I felt was slam dunk v-jam. Suspect AF from the little I saw. Be interested to see him perform half as well on any other stream that's not the same.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:11 PM   #660
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crushing games live and online when they played together all the way back to 2006
On what site and what was his screenname?
I've heard a few people say this but no evidence offered.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:13 PM   #661
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From various other sources including looking up his screennames myself.
Not saying he didnít cheat 100% but I myself am doubting these allegations.
First of all, the only evidence people have against him is his the small sample of soul reads that donít divert from his standard style of play over the last 15 years or so. Multiple reputable players including Chris moneymaker vouched for him crushing games live and online when they played together all the way back to 2006 even. I can vouch that he crushed every time I saw him play including getting runner up to me for player of the series at an ante up series.
I played him heads up that series and his style of play was so different from every other pro. At the time I thought he was one of the best I ever played against. Still do. Unless this whole time hes been managing to cheat in every venue both live and online??? There is also a chance that he is a crusher who gave into temptation and cheated on live stream, but thatís not what my gut tells me having all the info that I do. I donít know all the facts but Iím pretty sure I know more than 99% of people pointing the finger saying cheater.
Come talk **** when/if Iím wrong. I very well could be 🤷🏼*♂️
Dude the gig is up he 100% cheated, at this point itís not did he or didnít he, itís how much did he steal.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:17 PM   #662
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Here is what is the most concerning thing about this, at least to me:

Imagine if he wasn't so blatant about it. Like, he makes it obvious he is cheating. Maybe he figured he would eventually get caught and wanted to make as much money as possible before which would make sense, sort of. But a much smarter player wouldn't do the obvious things that he is doing. They would lose pots. They would make bad calls on the river, they would get coolered. But they would win, and win a lot. Some of the hands people can make reasonable excuses for getting away from. But the hands where he calls with 54o, and shoves with 76o or 95o there really is no explanation for. It is obvious. That to me is the scariest thing. If he is doing it, and making it obvious that he is doing it, there has to be some guys out there who are doing the exact same thing but not like an idiot and not getting caught.
Maybe, yes. But this is a streamed game and I think even the riskier cheaters might be weary of pulling this stunt when being recorded. Also seems likely youíd need the help to at least 1 more person which is another big obstacle. But unless you regularly play recorded games then you shouldnít have much to worry about unless Iím missing something
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:19 PM   #663
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From various other sources including looking up his screennames myself.

drop the damn screenames or stop posting about how he crush online pls
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:26 PM   #664
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drop the damn screenames or stop posting about how he crush online pls
His online names were Fleacer on Stars and yngmanN4quiki on UB. Most of the people defending him here are his buddies from pocketfives.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:27 PM   #665
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The 5/T game on LATB isn't exactly full of killers; let Mike go play in that for 3 months(and with no phone just in case) and see if he can do anything like he has at Stones.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:35 PM   #666
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His online names were Fleacer on Stars and yngmanN4quiki on UB. Most of the people defending him here are his buddies from pocketfives.
The screen names... So apropo.

yngmanN4quiki

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Old 10-01-2019, 07:38 PM   #667
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Maybe, yes. But this is a streamed game and I think even the riskier cheaters might be weary of pulling this stunt when being recorded. Also seems likely youíd need the help to at least 1 more person which is another big obstacle. But unless you regularly play recorded games then you shouldnít have much to worry about unless Iím missing something
See, I don't agree. He might not need another person, even though it sort of seems like he has one. Well the only reason he is able to cheat is because of the livestream. I am sure some people are cheating in live poker some other way, but having access to hole cards isn't possible without the stream.

No one would of ever noticed he was looking at his phone so much if there wasn't allegations of cheating. If he didn't cheat like an idiot he never would of gotten caught. That 54,76, 95 hands are obvious.

I personally would worry a lot less about nosebleed games. First, I don't play them so clearly I wouldn't worry. Second, there aren't a lot of nosebleed randoms who sit in and only play those games and crush when they do. The low view count games where big winners are a few thousand dollars would be much easier/likelier to cheat.

I do wonder why no one has ever looked at his phone. I rarely think anyone is cheating me, but if someone is winning big pots off me and constantly looking between their legs during hands, why wouldn't someone have snuck up behind him and looked at what he is doing on his phone? Or just even made a comment jokingly. Is there any clips of someone walking up behind him? I'd be curious to see that.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:39 PM   #668
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Mike no variance Postle
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:42 PM   #669
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I'm honestly baffled. He has 95 off, AJ suited folds, and he's facing 64 suited all-in, and AQ suited with a big stack. Even if you know the hole cards, consider bluff/catch equity, and consider pot vs. stack size, I can literally see no reason to make the call.

You'd have to know with certainty that AQ will fold to anything. I don't see how that's possible if one of the 2 remaining aces, a Q, or clubs hit.

Ultimately, he committed 1/4 stack with a substandard chance to take his 95 off head-to-head with 64s.

I'm seeing no rational reason to make this play - is there some information/approach I'm not considering here?
he knows his cards are live, and he's gonna c/f ace high and queen high boards

he's also obviously an idiot
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:43 PM   #670
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When theft reaches these levels and impacts this many people hard questions must be asked to everyone involved in running the game.

I'll start:
Many of the regular commentators consider themselves poker professionals and yet none of them were concerned with what they were witnessing on a weekly basis!? (one of these commentators having the hobby of repairing/restoring video games and parlor games which has to involve complex electronics and circuits (this is speculation so don't use their names )).

edit: these poker playing commentators many of which were regulars in the surrounding games of the streams
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:44 PM   #672
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:46 PM   #673
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They both cheated on live stream and thought they could get away with it. That's an easy and correct comparison.
torelli is scum but all cheating isn't remotely the same
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:47 PM   #675
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Mike no variance Postle
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