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Old 10-09-2019, 11:26 AM   #6676
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Actually, it does register twice. He makes it confusing since he jumps back to the prior hand for no reason, but if you keep going past that, it shows the other hand of AcKc in the same hand:
I guess I didn't describe it well enough.

KcQc of Gina wasn't "registered". It just stayed the same from previous hand. Notice that it's the same position. Why it stayed the same? I don't know, call it a glitch or bug or whatever, but like I said it happened before and it was posted ITT before. Obv can't find it now with +130 pages. Maybe even Berkey commented on this scenario?

AcKc got registered correctly in that hand and KcQc just stayed the same from previous hand for some reason, because actual Gina's hand wasn't registered.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:27 AM   #6677
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Come on you can clearly see that his glasses have a blue tint and the app on his phone is a white background.
Go to 23:22 - you will see the reflections of the lights above in his glasses, they are perfectly white. So how can that be? Shouldn't they be blue or blue tinted then? Yet they are pure white, and pure white a lot of other times in this stream.

Not sure if I was clear, the earlier poster is saying he had a blue app running, but then he switched it to text app that had a white background to show harlan.

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:29 AM   #6678
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probably the lenses are blue on his glasses.
Exactly! Everyone was freaking out a couple of days when mike told villian to his left to put his cards on the reader, mike of everyone said that the dealer could have easily had told the individual to put your cards on the reader and mike showed him.

This is the issue with group think behavior, it helped us evolve as a species, but when it comes to politics or commiting people of crimes it becomes extremely dangerous, this is why the judicial system is cautious who it puts on the jury, IMO the judicial system should even be more stricter.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:30 AM   #6679
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmuAqJ_sVo

Video posted by Veronica of her last commentary, with other commentator praising the poker God.
I really don't believe any of the commentators were in on this at all. They were just caught up in the Postle hype. But still, I have to say, it's revolting listening to the commentary on these hands, and across the streams in general. The Postle worshiping was just over the top. It's like it snowballed, and stream after stream was an ode to his greatness as a player. They were gushing with praise.

VPIP of 50+ across all of these streams, and usually the top winner each time... I mean, it's just so crazy it went on for this long.

It's been said before, but Veronica is a real hero here.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:31 AM   #6680
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Hey something else very interesting here. Keep watching - he goes to take a bite of food, keeping phone hidden close to chest, but glasses showing full blue, Harlan to his right starts looking at him, and then you can then see him showing Harlen his phone, but before he shows Harlan its now and a white background - looks like text messaging - ie he switched from the blue screened app - at 27:49.
Good catch. It appears he has a few seconds to tap on his screen from the point it's blue until they cut to the different camera angle and he's showing Harlan the screen which is now white.

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:32 AM   #6681
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My personal experience in NEVADA with respect to the 'structuring' law is that some casinos set their own arbitrary amount, and then see what they can 'get away with.

On 2 occasions, I have hit a series of non-W2G-generating payouts and ended up with a TITO (slot ticket) for 2300-3500$ (buy hitting 800$ on hands in close succession to each other, but none over the magic 1200$ mark, and then had difficulty cashing out the ticket, since the TITO 'machines' that cash tickets in most casinos have a 1k (or similar) max payout limit, and you must go to the cage to cash them.

Upon going to the cage, (again on 2 occasions at 2 different casinos, Plaza and Orleans) they start asking for my players card, ID, asking questions about what game I was playing, etc. I would ask them why that was relevant, and told them that I just want to be paid my money, and that, via the TITO itself, they can SEE what I was playing, and, if they like, can review tapes or see whose card was in the machine at that time, and give them no other info, because it is NOT REQUIRED. Both times, they sent some senior person down who finally OK'd my being paid without added info.

The point here is, 5k or 10k, the cages at many places have been instructed to actively annoy and get info from people who they SUSPECT MAY be attempting to 'structure' to save them the hassle of looking things up later.
Many have some lower-than-5k-trigger value that is known only by them where they start asking questions. I'm sure Stones has this value as well.
This is part of "know your customer" and is required by regulation of the federal government. Financial institutions, defined broadly (including casino cages) have to take steps to avoid structuring. If they stopped asking you those questions, I would worry the casino was not on the up and up.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:35 AM   #6682
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Good catch. It appears he has a few seconds to tap on his screen from the point it's blue until they cut to the different camera angle and he's showing Harlan the screen which is now white.

Thanks for that. Also for those that think the glasses are blue causing this, look at the gif he just put up, you can clearly see the blue light from his phone on his shirt.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:36 AM   #6683
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I really don't believe any of the commentators were in on this at all. They were just caught up in the Postle hype. But still, I have to say, it's revolting listening to the commentary on these hands, and across the streams in general. The Postle worshiping was just over the top. It's like it snowballed, and stream after stream was an ode to his greatness as a player. They were gushing with praise. .
this to be honest. The commentators are just hyped braindeads. They're tilting the **** out of me but I rly think they don't have anything to do with it. They're just proper braindeads
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:36 AM   #6684
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/345223397?t=4992s

01:23:12

Funny hand because u can see the pain of how much Mike wants to fold on the flop. (Remember he cant fold flop because that would make his cheating obvious) I mean he picks up his cards and is so ready to muck. No normal player in that spot would ever give off that type of body language and Andrew Neeme points it out too. What a scumbag Mike!!! I do have to say the commentary here is suspect (except neeme)
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:37 AM   #6685
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No offense but I hope the lawyer of the frauded people is not arguing like this... What does mathematically impossible even mean.. Its statistically unlikely.

Postles lawyer could pick up on these arguments saying stuff like "having a royal flush is x%. Having two royal flush in 10min of play is x% very unlikely, still happening". I say this caus today I read an article of a guy on twitch having this happen to him.
He could show videos of other famous hands, like the robl Antonio's hand in PLO where robl wins 4 runs and which was iirc <0.1%, just to show that people get lucky etc.

It all depends on how it is presented to the jury... And a dry math professor explaining variance etc might be counterproductive.

Also they could say, that postle played elsewhere and lost during that time etc. There is no hands on evidence so far. It is quite obvious that he cheats, but it was also quite obvious that OJ is guily... Though he came free.

But what this lawsuit might accomplish, is that it will maybe frighten Postles helpers. So someone might get scared and will talk, which would obviously be a Gigantic plus to convince the jury.

I still think and hope that a jury will be smart enough to understand, but the case is not a super hammer slam dunk insta win imo.
It's a very strong civil case except for the low damages.

A smart lawyer won't bore a jury with hours of statistics. A smart lawyer will be talking about cell phones and crotches and how his play changes and funny hats and how he suddenly doesn't play much and doesn't play the same when his buddy is out of town. And that's all plenty easy for a jury to understand.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:39 AM   #6686
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would be fun if his glasses will be his downfall
They were for Leopold and Loeb, one of the most famous cases in history.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:41 AM   #6687
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I don't think "crotch staring" or "blue screens" are all useless, maybe it is just kind of weak evidence because the defendant can deny by simple reason, for example "Playing Candy Crush". And I believe this is the reason why everyone trying to look for any clearer signs that can be consider as rock solid evidence phone screen is not "Candy Crush".
Defendants who say things that aren't true get cross examined.

Candy Crush? Oh, I love that game. What level did you get to? I happen to have my cell phone here, could you demonstrate your play? Do you still have the app on your phone? Why would you uninstall something that was crucial to your defense? Etc.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:41 AM   #6688
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I assume this was already posted - but it's great information about how the Poker GFX software works. Since there's been a lot of new stuff about GFX in the last couple days - this is a good background.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:43 AM   #6689
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I do have to say, it is pretty impressive that he hid his phone well enough for several hundred hours of video, that no one has been able yet to 100% see cheating on it.
There's plenty of video out there. There's all the b-roll they shot for Stones Live. There's casino surveillance cameras. There's footage that random people might have shot of the "TV table" when they visited Stones. Give it time.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:45 AM   #6690
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I really don't believe any of the commentators were in on this at all. They were just caught up in the Postle hype. But still, I have to say, it's revolting listening to the commentary on these hands, and across the streams in general. The Postle worshiping was just over the top. It's like it snowballed, and stream after stream was an ode to his greatness as a player. They were gushing with praise.

VPIP of 50+ across all of these streams, and usually the top winner each time... I mean, it's just so crazy it went on for this long.

It's been said before, but Veronica is a real hero here.
It's not just a VPIP of 63% that is amazing, it is the fact that he has that VPIP at those stakes.

No winning player would advocate this frequency of bluffing and calling/playing that wide and loose at these stakes.

Im not saying this to brag im honestly not, but as someone that crushes and makes my living from these stakes, I would never advocate for the way mike plays pre-flop at these stakes and I don't think there is a player that would.

Edit: A great player that plays high stakes 6mans can have a high VPIP, but to have a VPIP of 63% at full table 1/3 2/5 is just not a thing.

Edit: If you go to 2:29:40 on joeys latest stream veronica sort of brings up what I am saying, his post-flop play does not add up with his pre-flop play. Ofcourse the other idiot commentator does not seem to understand this.

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:46 AM   #6691
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Just imagine ppl if Postle somehow linked/ knows Rebecca VArdy!!!
haha, funny waking up to that story after all this. Funnily enough, it was a poker player who gave her the idea!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/...ooney-20545183

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Exactly, I don't know why people are just skipping over this, the strongest evidence against mike was the 89s hand and the math side of things, VPIP of 63% at 1/3 2/5 900bb/100.

The whole arguement was that the individual in the back changed the cards to 89s because the play would've looked way too suspicious, but in this situation there is no reason to alter other peoples cards at the table, why would you intentionally give veronica and the other individual both Kc? Matt said two cards can not register twice, but in this case it seems that it did and why on earth would the individual in the back even do that?
There is a simple explanation for this KcQc hand. Gina holds KcQc in the previous hand. Hands lagging from previous hands a repeated problem in the streams (sometimes attributed to same player, sometimes a different one), and somewhat muddy the waters.

Having looked at A LOT of these now in trying to eliminate the significance of the 89s hand, can say it - and it alone - remains inexplicable.

Whilst I don't think it can be conclusive evidence, it's been a key red flag that Mike clearly had an accomplice on the inside of the live feed tech. Am certain the person named as the accomplice in the lawsuit will also be the person who made this panic change in real time to try and minimise MP's ridiculous play in this spot.

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great catch. unsure whether quality will be good enough, but would be particularly amusing if Mike is nailed by shades that he often has there, but never ever wears.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:49 AM   #6692
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Yeah.

I decided to compare the colors of the graphics software to the shot of Mike's phone.



Here's his phone



Here's the software.

Notice the hue. Saturation and brightness are off, as expected given screen differences, angle of the phone, and lighting. But the hue (H: = the actual color) is almost identical.

Then again I thought maybe all bright blue is that close, so I googled bright blue and picked some shades that looked similar. I got 230 and 247. Interesting that they're that close. Maybe some graphic experts can weigh in on the likelihood of that.

Also notice all the empty space. It looks exactly like what the software looks like in the demo wiiziwiig posted - mostly empty space (where the live camera shots would be) with cards along the edges.

Now that we know that they likely just piped the data out to another party and what the unused streaming feature looks like when you're not actually using GFK to put the actual stream together - that blue screen makes a ton of sense.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:51 AM   #6693
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It is useless because it can be easily disputed, unless somebody can explain the Kc hand, not only will mike get off criminally WITHOUT A DOUBT, he also will very unlikely lose this lawsuit.

Blue screen? Mike and his lawyer can browse through the app store and just find apps that exhibit a blue screen.

Crotch staring? I was watching the stream on a delay.

Without proof that the RFID was manipulated he will get off scott free, if your going to accuse someone of cheating you better have better evidence then math, crotch staring, and blue screens.
Watching the stream on a delay while in a huge hand everytime...
The creator of the poker gfx already explained the 98 of spades hand. And im sure he can explain the K of club hand.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:56 AM   #6694
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Great find. I scanned through the stream and here's the best capture I think we'll get - at 27:34 he raises his phone up to his glasses. Here's the sequence slowed down to 25%


Wow
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:56 AM   #6695
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I do have to say, it is pretty impressive that he hid his phone well enough for several hundred hours of video, that no one has been able yet to 100% see cheating on it.
Thats why the person controlling the camera angles and the graphics on screen imo is extremely suspect. Ive watched a ton of video and it always seems the camera doesnt like mike that much.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:56 AM   #6696
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Come on you can clearly see that his glasses have a blue tint and the app on his phone is a white background.
We got some top notch detectives in this thread. Can I hire u for my PI firm?
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:02 PM   #6697
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Given this is a casino and given standard casino security, I'm actually a bit surprised no eye in the sky caught onto this earlier.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:03 PM   #6698
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It's a very strong civil case except for the low damages.

A smart lawyer won't bore a jury with hours of statistics. A smart lawyer will be talking about cell phones and crotches and how his play changes and funny hats and how he suddenly doesn't play much and doesn't play the same when his buddy is out of town. And that's all plenty easy for a jury to understand.
The damages seem about right to me? Actual losses + 10 million punitive? Plus at least against Postle, no point asking for more than that since he's gonna be judgment proof to nosebleed numbers.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:03 PM   #6699
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Guys I changed mz stance. Sorry about defending him. Something is fishy and def. Off. They tried to make him a star which is worth worth more than 250k
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:10 PM   #6700
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I watched a video on YouTube, it talks about the whole conspiracy saying it has to be a team and the aim was to make stones huge. Has anyone seen it? I am trying to find it atm
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