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Old 10-09-2019, 10:18 AM   #6651
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Since this is coming up this morning, when he gets it all in, he stands up and puts his phone in his pocket. You can see the phone going in and it doesn't look blue to me, but it's hard to tell. You can definitely see it. He stands up at 32:42 and pockets the phone.
On iPhone if you hit the button on the right side, it instantly locks the screen (also turning it dark). He may have figured that out at some point.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:27 AM   #6652
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On iPhone if you hit the button on the right side, it instantly locks the screen (also turning it dark). He may have figured that out at some point.
Yes, but it's not dark. It's clearly still on. It just doesn't look blue in that specific spot. I also might be wrong, might be the lighting or reflection or whatever.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:30 AM   #6653
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He could also hit the home button to close out of the app
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:30 AM   #6654
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Exactly, I don't know why people are just skipping over this, the strongest evidence against mike was the 89s hand and the math side of things, VPIP of 63% at 1/3 2/5 900bb/100.

The whole arguement was that the individual in the back changed the cards to 89s because the play would've looked way too suspicious, but in this situation there is no reason to alter other peoples cards at the table, why would you intentionally give veronica and the other individual both Kc? Matt said two cards can not register twice, but in this case it seems that it did and why on earth would the individual in the back even do that?

People in these comments are reaching for things that will be useless in a court of law, all these comments about "crotch staring", "blue screens" are all useless in a court of law.
I don't think "crotch staring" or "blue screens" are all useless, maybe it is just kind of weak evidence because the defendant can deny by simple reason, for example "Playing Candy Crush". And I believe this is the reason why everyone trying to look for any clearer signs that can be consider as rock solid evidence phone screen is not "Candy Crush".
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:34 AM   #6655
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Guys i went back to the July 18th 2018 stream and we all know that at the 02:01:00 mark, that was the moment the phone went between the legs. I then went to the 02:31:00 mark to check the commentary and it just so happens justin kelly leaves the booth for sometime. The commentary is on a 30 minute delay so that would mean he left the booth at the same time Mike decided to turn to the dark side.

(Edit wait am i getting my time backwards). If kelly leaves the booth at 02:31:00 what time on the stream is that because of the delay? I think i have that right.

It might be nothing but then when he comes back in the booth he starts talking/joking about “pleading the 5th” if anything happened while he was gone in the booth. Then an awkward silence. I thought it was interesting and I clipped the video below. 03:39:20

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/286409381?t=13134s
You've got this backwards. Whatever happens at the table at 02:01:00 in the video happened in real time at 01:31:00 on the video.

i.e. during whatever is happening at 1:31 on the video, there is a hand going on at the table that we do not see in real time. We then see that hand, with commentary, 30 minutes later at 2:01 on the video due to the delay.

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Old 10-09-2019, 10:34 AM   #6656
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Yes, but it's not dark. It's clearly still on. It just doesn't look blue in that specific spot. I also might be wrong, might be the lighting or reflection or whatever.
I think you are right. It's not dark and clearly still on when he put it in the pocket. There are some sort of angle on the sunglasses, so it is impossible that the reflection comes from above and clearly it is come from bottom when he sit there.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:40 AM   #6657
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Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:


Great find. I scanned through the stream and here's the best capture I think we'll get - at 27:34 he raises his phone up to his glasses. Here's the sequence slowed down to 25%



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Old 10-09-2019, 10:48 AM   #6658
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No offense but I hope the lawyer of the frauded people is not arguing like this... What does mathematically impossible even mean.. Its statistically unlikely.
As remarked before in the thread, there is use of DNA evidence in court, precisely because of the statistical level of confidence in a positive test. Today a juror is convinced, or is supposed to be convinced, by the fact that a certain kind of molecule has been found at the scene of crime, and the same kind of molecule has been found in the body of the suspect, and that these two molecules of the same kind are sufficiently similar. Something that might have seemed ridiculous only fifty years ago, certainly to the layperson.

You are right in your comment insofar as the kind of ad-hoc probabilistic reasoning that is usually offered by people with only a very limited understanding of the theory of statistics is probably worthless. But a thorough collection and observation of the evidence and a statistical evaluation by professional means ought to go a very long way.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:48 AM   #6659
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I don't think "crotch staring" or "blue screens" are all useless, maybe it is just kind of weak evidence because the defendant can deny by simple reason, for example "Playing Candy Crush". And I believe this is the reason why everyone trying to look for any clearer signs that can be consider as rock solid evidence phone screen is not "Candy Crush".
It is useless because it can be easily disputed, unless somebody can explain the Kc hand, not only will mike get off criminally WITHOUT A DOUBT, he also will very unlikely lose this lawsuit.

Blue screen? Mike and his lawyer can browse through the app store and just find apps that exhibit a blue screen.

Crotch staring? I was watching the stream on a delay.

Without proof that the RFID was manipulated he will get off scott free, if your going to accuse someone of cheating you better have better evidence then math, crotch staring, and blue screens.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:52 AM   #6660
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Exactly, I don't know why people are just skipping over this, the strongest evidence against mike was the 89s hand and the math side of things, VPIP of 63% at 1/3 2/5 900bb/100.

The whole arguement was that the individual in the back changed the cards to 89s because the play would've looked way too suspicious, but in this situation there is no reason to alter other peoples cards at the table, why would you intentionally give veronica and the other individual both Kc? Matt said two cards can not register twice, but in this case it seems that it did and why on earth would the individual in the back even do that?

People in these comments are reaching for things that will be useless in a court of law, all these comments about "crotch staring", "blue screens" are all useless in a court of law.
like we've said before, prev hand can persist to next hand, which I believe is whats happenening here. didnt check the hand bc ive already seen it but pretty sure that person had KcQc prev hand and just open mucks it current hand bc she prolly had garbage. this isnt a manual graphics change, its a bug in the software.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:53 AM   #6661
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Imagine being Mike Postle following this thread, and seeing the walls slowly caving in on his entire world. The slow drip of information uncovered, and methods unraveled as each passing day goes by.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:56 AM   #6662
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It is useless because it can be easily disputed, unless somebody can explain the Kc hand, not only will mike get off criminally WITHOUT A DOUBT, he also will very unlikely lose this lawsuit.

Blue screen? Mike and his lawyer can browse through the app store and just find apps that exhibit a blue screen.

Crotch staring? I was watching the stream on a delay.

Without proof that the RFID was manipulated he will get off scott free, if your going to accuse someone of cheating you better have better evidence then math, crotch staring, and blue screens.
Yeah, I understand what you mean. It all depends on jury and judge to believe. It is a weak evidence tho but we also have to remember if only 1 catch blue or whatever the screen color, they can get away with that. But if multiple time especially whenever making an important decision, it is not coincidence.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:57 AM   #6663
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I think this is most likely what he was doing in the infamous 54 vs AK vs AK hand. The feed straight to his phone would include the equity in the hand as seen in Berkey's video. After Moneymaker's 3bet to $705, he's a 19% to combined 13% favorite over the two AKs and almost certainty the other two hands that called the initial 45 dollar raise would fold. After the two folds, Postle is now 42% which, again, if it was a direct feed to his phone like in Berkey's video would show.

I always thought it was weird how this hand played out, how even cheating and knowing the cards, most people would fold in this spot with no post flop maneuverability. I think it makes a lot more sense knowing that he can look down, see the equity and just go with the profitable decision.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:00 AM   #6664
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Here's the sequence slowed down to 25%


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Old 10-09-2019, 11:01 AM   #6665
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well over a year or two ago, i blocked Veronica on twitter because i got tired of seeing her tweets because some of them were pro-satanist and they definitely offended my religious sensibilities. and she was publishing way too many of them, same reason i block many others. however ive looked at her tweets recently when it asked are u sure? reason is, no matter her beliefs, i definitely feel she did the right thing in bringing this to everyones attention and should be congratulated for speaking up. i hope stones management or ownership since they might be guilty in all this, dont retaliate against her for speaking up.
Agreed. Pro-Satanist or not, major props to Veronica
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:06 AM   #6666
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Yeah, I understand what you mean. It all depends on jury and judge to believe. It is a weak evidence tho but we also have to remember if only 1 catch blue or whatever the screen color, they can get away with that. But if multiple time especially whenever making an important decision, it is not coincidence.
Yes, and evidence can be subject to something I would call "combined theory", for example, evidence that is isolated can either be "weak", or it can be "strong", the strength of evidence can change over time, for example.

Exhibit A) Let's say theoretically we can prove without a reasonable doubt that the RFID was manipulated, well if we can then the other evidence of crotch staring, blue screens is now actually strenghtened.

Exhibit B) We cannot prove with a reasonable doubt that the RFID was manipulated, that other evidence of crotch staring, blue screens, becomes extremely weak now, that evidence needs to be combined with RFID manipulation to actually be strong.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:07 AM   #6667
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Great find. I scanned through the stream and here's the best capture I think we'll get - at 27:34 he raises his phone up to his glasses. Here's the sequence slowed down to 25%


Hey something else very interesting here. Keep watching - he goes to take a bite of food, keeping phone hidden close to chest, but glasses showing full blue, Harlan to his right starts looking at him, and then you can then see him showing Harlen his phone, but before he shows Harlan its now and a white background - looks like text messaging - ie he switched from the blue screened app - at 27:49.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:10 AM   #6668
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you can then see him showing Harlen his phone, but before he shows Harlan its now and a white background - looks like text messaging - ie he switched from the blue screened app - at 27:49.
probably the lenses are blue on his glasses.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:10 AM   #6669
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I was wondering if Postle has kept money/chips at Stones in deposit boxes in the cage? Is it likely he would have withdrawn all his profits over the last year? If he has money/chips at Stones then that is likely to be forfeit at some point in the future.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:10 AM   #6670
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If this isnt 50 % more than likely I dunno what is
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:12 AM   #6671
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Great find. I scanned through the stream and here's the best capture I think we'll get - at 27:34 he raises his phone up to his glasses. Here's the sequence slowed down to 25%


Come on you can clearly see that his glasses have a blue tint and the app on his phone is a white background.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:16 AM   #6672
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like we've said before, prev hand can persist to next hand, which I believe is whats happenening here. didnt check the hand bc ive already seen it but pretty sure that person had KcQc prev hand and just open mucks it current hand bc she prolly had garbage. this isnt a manual graphics change, its a bug in the software.
It's actually a different person that had KcQc on the previous hand. It was Scott who had it the previous hand. So the bug in the software is showing hands from one person for a different person the next hand? And we think that's no big deal in terms of Mike's alibi that it wasn't showing his cards correctly?
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:17 AM   #6673
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmuAqJ_sVo

Video posted by Veronica of her last commentary, with other commentator praising the poker God.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:17 AM   #6674
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I do have to say, it is pretty impressive that he hid his phone well enough for several hundred hours of video, that no one has been able yet to 100% see cheating on it.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:23 AM   #6675
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It is useless because it can be easily disputed, unless somebody can explain the Kc hand, not only will mike get off criminally WITHOUT A DOUBT, he also will very unlikely lose this lawsuit.

Blue screen? Mike and his lawyer can browse through the app store and just find apps that exhibit a blue screen.

Crotch staring? I was watching the stream on a delay.

Without proof that the RFID was manipulated he will get off scott free, if your going to accuse someone of cheating you better have better evidence then math, crotch staring, and blue screens.
First of almost certainly all no RFID was manipulated. This could have just as easily been optical readers. The weak point was the simple URL to see the real time stream - and the fact that that streaming function wasn't being used (different software was just grabbing the data from GFX) so it was free to pipe out to wherever and no one realized it was even piping unless they looked at the streaming tab.

The real evidence will come from the computer logs - assuming Stones is actually investigating.

IIRC the potripper "smoking gun" still wasn't definitive proof. It was a log of the tourney where one observer IP address was following potripper (sn neoneo or w/e) to different tables - which doesn't definitively prove anything. But at that point there was such a preponderance of evidence that AP/UB finally caved.
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