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Old 10-09-2019, 08:35 AM   #6626
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:

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Old 10-09-2019, 08:38 AM   #6627
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Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:

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Old 10-09-2019, 08:40 AM   #6628
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I thought Matt berkey said it was impossible for the same card to register twice.

Go look at joeys most recent stream "25:20 - 26:00", two Kc are registering, also, their is no benefit to mike in this situation, so why would you "person in the back" even intentionally do this?
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:51 AM   #6629
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Kc didn't register twice, but hand was shown from previous hand. Gina didn't have KQcc, but something else. This happened at least once before (but probably more).

I didn't even watch the video and knew someone else will have Kcx in previous hand.
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:54 AM   #6630
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It really doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be windows media player. Any smartphone could be very simply set up for that backdoor PokerGFX stream.

I am curious though, generally speaking, when can open insecure portals like Berkey explains, exposing a machine to the outside world, it's at least password protected. Does PokerGFX have that option?
no need for poker GFX on iphone .

i think SOMEONE IS SENDING HIM the hands on whatsapp by text or by screenshot simply on whatsapp or imessage.

and he has a bluetooth in his ear making it read the msg if he can't look on his phone

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Old 10-09-2019, 08:59 AM   #6631
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This hand with Joey where Postle signals to moneymaker is wild

So they have known each other for 15 years.

Dont have a time stamp so can someone do it.

On the turn Postle rubs his cheek 11 times, the other 4 times and then 1 more for hearts.

He is signalling to moneymaker what cards to fold the river on.

On the river he makes a bluff which moneymaker quickly calls. They could be chopping it after the game.

But yeah def signalling in game from Postle. Someone clip it. Its insane
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Watch the hand when someone links it. I didn't explain it well but its unmistakable
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A mod can delete my post, but when someone can post the hand from Joeys live stream then it'll be more obvious.

I can't do that right now so hopefully someone else can link the hand
Nevermind your post; a mod should delete your account.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:00 AM   #6632
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Is there a way you are also copying the live chat replay? What is said in the twitch /youtube streams is really important because suspected accomplices have chatted in the twitch and youtube streams.
It's grabbing it where it can - i'll test it in a moment once all the downloads are finished

edit: just confirmed chats are being grabbed but haven't pulled any Twitch streams yet
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:02 AM   #6633
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This made me laugh. I read an article awhile back that Windows Phone OS has about 0.25% of mobile OS market share. Now, that doesn't mean MP couldn't have a windows phone: but since we all like math, chances are he doesn't
We did the website for a big company. One executive was always super high on windows phones. He basically had whatever crappy version they were pushing that year - windows ME, Windows CE, Windows Mobile - whatever they were calling the next big thing that was finally going to take off this time.

He kept insisting we make the mobile version of the site work on windows phone and we were always like nahhhhh. Android is painful enough. Get 2-3% penetration then we'll talk buddy.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:06 AM   #6634
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:

We need to find more of this. This is compelling when evaluated with the other picture where we can clearly see the blue screen on his phone and in light of Berkey's video.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:07 AM   #6635
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Does anyone know whether Mike was using a Windows phone, or if there's some hack that allows Windows Media Player to run on Apple or Android? Or is it just MP4 or something?
Any device should be able to play that stream using VLC or other software (if you just entire that URL into safari on iOS it probably works). Berkey just used WMP in the demo because he's on Windows and it was handy.

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:12 AM   #6636
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Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:

Nice catch - same electric blue color!
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:14 AM   #6637
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Proof is the winrate per hour at the low stakes. This is impossible, both mathematically and by experience. The could take random 100 floorman of pokerrooms and ask if they have ever seen anything like this is in their career. If you included the one from Stones Casino you would have a 1/99 and what would that tell you. You could up that number to 1000 and you would have the same result. Take a selection of professors in mathematics, some professional pokerplayers which everyone knows is winning like Robl etc. This case is so easy that any lawyer can win it.

Think you are correct though, because doing anything else than settling is beyond stupid. However with how this operation have been going on I would not bet huge amount on it since there seems like everyone related to the Stones Casino is in some sort of selfproclaimed God mode.
No offense but I hope the lawyer of the frauded people is not arguing like this... What does mathematically impossible even mean.. Its statistically unlikely.

Postles lawyer could pick up on these arguments saying stuff like "having a royal flush is x%. Having two royal flush in 10min of play is x% very unlikely, still happening". I say this caus today I read an article of a guy on twitch having this happen to him.
He could show videos of other famous hands, like the robl Antonio's hand in PLO where robl wins 4 runs and which was iirc <0.1%, just to show that people get lucky etc.

It all depends on how it is presented to the jury... And a dry math professor explaining variance etc might be counterproductive.

Also they could say, that postle played elsewhere and lost during that time etc. There is no hands on evidence so far. It is quite obvious that he cheats, but it was also quite obvious that OJ is guily... Though he came free.

But what this lawsuit might accomplish, is that it will maybe frighten Postles helpers. So someone might get scared and will talk, which would obviously be a Gigantic plus to convince the jury.

I still think and hope that a jury will be smart enough to understand, but the case is not a super hammer slam dunk insta win imo.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:18 AM   #6638
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Just imagine ppl if Postle somehow linked/ knows Rebecca VArdy!!!
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:18 AM   #6639
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I just saw this while reading a news article -- and it struck a bell with me.

Help for the lawsuit -- Tweet from Veronica to Bart Hansen

Veronica informed Bart about the results of her meeting when she first approached Justin about cheating allegations.

Justin informed her that there was an outside agency that performed a security audit every 3 months.

What is this auditing agency? What were the results? Or can this be more evidence of Justin committing Fraud/Negligence as specified in the lawsuit complaint?

And I also notice there has been nothing but *crickets* from the California Gaming Control Board. Do they have any employees?
That's hilarious we're supposed to believe a security audit took place when they don't even bother to lock the production room, you can walk in there with a mobile phone, there is apparently no cameras inside recording what is happening, no cameras recording who comes and goes, etc., etc. It's laughable.

If an outside agency did these security audits, I would imagine they need to get a good lawyer now if they can't show reports listing multiple violations.

But now I'm thinking it was all just a lie. Happy to take it back if someone recalls a security audit. But since I would image these audits would involve interviews with lots of personnel (IT, Production, Commentators, etc.), and nobody seems to know about this other than Justin, well... Like I said, it's laughable.

At first I thought lying about this was a clear sign of guilt, but now I believe it's just a sign of incompetence.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:21 AM   #6640
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Joey on Ryan rassillo pod. Talking about this situation.

Love RR so and Joey so very excited to hear this :

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcas...=1000452869857

Starts at around 16 minute mark.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:21 AM   #6641
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Guys i went back to the July 18th 2018 stream and we all know that at the 02:01:00 mark, that was the moment the phone went between the legs. I then went to the 02:31:00 mark to check the commentary and it just so happens justin kelly leaves the booth for sometime. The commentary is on a 30 minute delay so that would mean he left the booth at the same time Mike decided to turn to the dark side.

(Edit wait am i getting my time backwards). If kelly leaves the booth at 02:31:00 what time on the stream is that because of the delay? I think i have that right.

It might be nothing but then when he comes back in the booth he starts talking/joking about “pleading the 5th” if anything happened while he was gone in the booth. Then an awkward silence. I thought it was interesting and I clipped the video below. 03:39:20

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/286409381?t=13134s

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:29 AM   #6642
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Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:

Did you see veronicas twitter post? Id like to ask her more about that. One thing for sure is he hides it well from the cameras. To me this is a semi smoking gun. We know why the all blue background is being hidden from cameras, because it is the background of the cheating software. Why does veronica tweet that it was common for him to have a blue screen if he hides it so well from the cameras?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Angry_Pol...97805380771840

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:34 AM   #6643
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That blue is so bright. It's easy to spot across the room. Can't always have the phone facing away from everyone.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:37 AM   #6644
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Has anyone looked at this stream yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUr3WeFDHZM

Postle is wearing mirrored sunglasses on his collar and you can sometimes catch glimpses of his phone in the reflection.

Maybe this is stretching, but lends some credibility to the blue screen theories:

There are more reflections in episode 31.7.2019:

https://youtu.be/w2Fr_vxeOmY?t=1845

https://youtu.be/w2Fr_vxeOmY?t=12187

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:43 AM   #6645
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Okay so when will he be arrested?
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:54 AM   #6646
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I thought Matt berkey said it was impossible for the same card to register twice.

Go look at joeys most recent stream "25:20 - 26:00", two Kc are registering, also, their is no benefit to mike in this situation, so why would you "person in the back" even intentionally do this?
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Kc didn't register twice, but hand was shown from previous hand. Gina didn't have KQcc, but something else. This happened at least once before (but probably more).

I didn't even watch the video and knew someone else will have Kcx in previous hand.
Actually, it does register twice. He makes it confusing since he jumps back to the prior hand for no reason, but if you keep going past that, it shows the other hand of AcKc in the same hand:



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Old 10-09-2019, 09:55 AM   #6647
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There are more reflections in episode 31.7.2019:

https://youtu.be/w2Fr_vxeOmY?t=1845

https://youtu.be/w2Fr_vxeOmY?t=12187

[IMG][/IMG]
Wow! Incredible. The picture is great but when you watch the video you can clearly see that is of the reflection of his phone. The upper lense catches the reflection of lights above, and the lower lense catches the reflection of lights below. Watching it through video and its clear as can be.

Lets go a step further folks. In this stream or others that he has the glasses lets gather times where he moves his phone or moves his arm and the reflection changes. Lets gather that intel just to completely confirm. Lets show that when he doesnt have his phone under crotch that no reflection is there. Lets gather the data from his glasses. Hell maybe we can see more on the reflection by blowing up the shots as well.

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Old 10-09-2019, 10:00 AM   #6648
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So this hand here, around the 32 minute mark, you can clearly see when he looks down that his phone is own during play. You see it multiple times during the hand and then at the end, he stands up and puts the phone in the pocket and it's still on.



https://www.twitch.tv/videos/460804724?t=1850s

I haven't gone through the entire stream to see if you can ever get a better reflection. It may be the blue screen but likely just the glasses are blue. I think the more relevant thing is proof that his screen isn't locked while playing a big hand.

EDIT: Sorry, no idea why picture is turned sideways.
Since this is coming up this morning, when he gets it all in, he stands up and puts his phone in his pocket. You can see the phone going in and it doesn't look blue to me, but it's hard to tell. You can definitely see it. He stands up at 32:42 and pockets the phone.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:15 AM   #6649
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Actually, it does register twice. He makes it confusing since he jumps back to the prior hand for no reason, but if you keep going past that, it shows the other hand of AcKc in the same hand:



Exactly, I don't know why people are just skipping over this, the strongest evidence against mike was the 89s hand and the math side of things, VPIP of 63% at 1/3 2/5 900bb/100.

The whole arguement was that the individual in the back changed the cards to 89s because the play would've looked way too suspicious, but in this situation there is no reason to alter other peoples cards at the table, why would you intentionally give veronica and the other individual both Kc? Matt said two cards can not register twice, but in this case it seems that it did and why on earth would the individual in the back even do that?

People in these comments are reaching for things that will be useless in a court of law, all these comments about "crotch staring", "blue screens" are all useless in a court of law.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:15 AM   #6650
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would be fun if his glasses will be his downfall
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