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Old 10-09-2019, 01:53 AM   #6551
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For instance, watch this interview Justin did with Mike. Why would coconspirator want to highlight some of the absurd plays Postle makes? If you go through Postle's twitter feed from 9/30, he states that Justin had to beg him to go on. Justin comes across as a foolish fanboy as Postle sheepishly goes through hands where he knows he cheated.

As an aside, since @Mike_Postle is still open, you can view his initial public comments regarding the accusations and you'll see that nowhere in those does he deny cheating directly. He talks about is unique style, his winrate, being a single-dad, but never says 'This is bullshit! I don't cheat!!!!'

Edit: I haven't read the complaint yet and it seems like others are saying Justin is being directly implicated as an accomplice. If that's true, I guess I'm wrong and he's like Deputy Doofy from Scary Movie
In my opinion Justin was creating a narrative that when Mike does these insane crazy plays that work, that its just another day at the office for Mike and nothings out of the ordinary.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:54 AM   #6552
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I think you guys might be confusing the hate Veronica initially received...
There is no confusion on my part.

To heck with the bro code scenario. This is much more complicated than that. She has a life changing decision to make and did it on her terms when she was ready. Remember she had no substantial or actual proof so it took a lot of courage for her come forward.

But sure, let's just let Soto speak of her like she's a piece of crap because she didn't tell him.

He did it on Berkey's first vlog on the subject and I am confused by nothing. He brought a self-centred, entitled reaction to the situation in a very public vlog where he characterized Veronica as being somewhat complicit. This to me was to uncalled for. I posted this on Berkey's youtube channel as well but they instantly deleted it, so there you have it.

Berkey at least recognized the difficulty of her situation.

Let me know when Soto ships her an apology.

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Old 10-09-2019, 02:04 AM   #6553
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In my opinion Justin was creating a narrative that when Mike does these insane crazy plays that work, that its just another day at the office for Mike and nothings out of the ordinary.
Definitely possible. He just strikes me as more of a Baby Huey than a Machiavelli.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:04 AM   #6554
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I never understood the importance of the hat stuffing thing. Headphones were allowed at that point in time. Is it your belief that it just adds to suspicious behavior?
I didn't know this was a thing until a week ago but check out bone conduction. Most people won't even spend 5 minutes reading what that is, however using this would be extremely consistent with his behavior.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:20 AM   #6555
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**** the bro code scenario. This is much more complicated than that. She has a life changing decision to make and did it on her terms when she was ready. Remember she had no substantial or actual proof so it took a lot of courage for her come forward.

But sure, let's just let Soto speak of her like she's a piece of **** because she didn't tell him. **** that!


He did it on Berkey's first vlog on the subject and I am confused by nothing. He brought a self-centred, entitled reaction to the situation
and in a very public vlog where he characterized our hero Veronica as being somewhat complicit. I posted this on Berkey' youtube channel as well but they instantly deleted it, so there you have it.

Let me know when Soto ships her an apology.
Im sorry but I literally loled reading this bc of your original response that it was "tldr".

Fair enough. I mean, when I originally heard the podcast, I'll admit, I felt a little uneasy about what Soto was saying. It definitely took a lot of courage for Veronica to do what she did. And if Berkey, Doug or Joey had said what Soto said, I would have had a completely different reaction, as I hold them to a higher standard. Again, not trying to change your opinion on the matter, just posting a defense bc I dont think it warrants that level of hate.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:30 AM   #6556
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In my opinion Justin was creating a narrative that when Mike does these insane crazy plays that work, that its just another day at the office for Mike and nothings out of the ordinary.
I think you are way over thinking this. I don't believe Justin was in on this at all. I now think Mike had only one accomplice, and it wasn't Justin.

At first I admit I was confident Justin had to be involved. It seemed unbelievable to me the person in charge of this operation, who was central to so many facets of this broadcast, could be oblivious to the obvious cheating that was happening right under his nose. Especially when people told him about their concerns. And the so called "full investigation" which he touted as clearing Mike (although Mike was not formally named) seemed to have been a joke. I was sure that when the Stones internal investigator looked at the findings of that "full investigation," he would discover that it was a sham. And the reason was, I thought at the time, because Justin was a co-conspirator. What else could it be? Case closed.

Since then we've learned (based on posts here) that there was practically zero security around this broadcast. And even after credible concerns of cheating were raised, nothing happened. Not even superficial changes to at least appear like you were taking the charges seriously!

Think about it, let's assume you are Justin and are in on the scam. You have more than one person tell you Mike is cheating. You know if this comes out, you are going down, that this is going to end in career suicide, possible financial ruin, and even prison. So what do you do?

Apparently you do nothing. You tell everyone there was a full investigation, OK. But if you had at least a room temperature IQ, you would also tell Mike: "Ok, we are going to take a break for a few months, you understand? Things are getting very hot. I'm going to implement a few security measures. You need to play a bit less and win less over the next few months. When this blows over, we can crank it up again."

This is why I think, ironically, Justin not being in on this, while being completely clueless about what was happening during his own broadcast, was one of the major reasons Mike and his accomplice were so embolden to steal so much money. And they never had a voice of reason saying, "Let's slow down a bit." In fact, the lead guy was promoting Mike like a God, which only encouraged Mike to crank up the cheating to 11. Mike must have thought: "Even the guy running the broadcast is completely fooled, and we're doing it right under his nose! There is no way we are going to get caught!"

Yes, the level of sheer incompetence and managerial malpractice, the lack of internal controls, required for this to go on for 18 months is absolutely staggering in hindsight. But I submit to this board, that is exactly what happened. Justin is, in all likelihood, an innocent man.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:35 AM   #6557
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I think you are way over thinking this. I don't believe Justin was in on this at all. I now think Mike had only one accomplice, and it wasn't Justin.

At first I admit I was confident Justin had to be involved. It seemed unbelievable to me the person in charge of this operation, who was central to so many facets of this broadcast, could be oblivious to the obvious cheating that was happening right under his nose. Especially when people told him about their concerns. And the so called "full investigation" which he touted as clearing Mike (although Mike was not formally named) seemed to have been a joke. I was sure that when the Stones internal investigator looked at the findings of that "full investigation," he would discover that it was a sham. And the reason was, I thought at the time, because Justin was a co-conspirator. What else could it be? Case closed.

Since then we've learned (based on posts here) that there was practically zero security around this broadcast. And even after credible concerns of cheating were raised, nothing happened. Not even superficial changes to at least appear like you were taking the charges seriously!

Think about it, let's assume you are Justin and are in on the scam. You have more than one person tell you Mike is cheating. You know if this comes out, you are going down, that this is going to end in career suicide, possible financial ruin, and even prison. So what do you do?

Apparently you do nothing. You tell everyone there was a full investigation, OK. But if you had at least a room temperature IQ, you would also tell Mike: "Ok, we are going to take a break for a few months, you understand? Things are getting very hot. I'm going to implement a few security measures. You need to play a bit less and win less over the next few months. When this blows over, we can crank it up again."

This is why I think, ironically, Justin not being in on this, while being completely clueless about what was happening during his own broadcast, was one of the major reasons Mike and his accomplice were so embolden to steal so much money. And they never had a voice of reason saying, "Let's slow down a bit." In fact, the lead guy was promoting Mike like a God, which only encouraged Mike to crank up the cheating to 11. Mike must have thought: "Even the guy running the broadcast is completely fooled, and we're doing it right under his nose! There is no way we are going to get caught!"

Yes, the level of sheer incompetence and managerial malpractice, the lack of internal controls, required for this to go on for 18 months is absolutely staggering in hindsight. But I submit to this board, that is exactly what happened. Justin is, in all likelihood, an innocent man.

I can see your point about Justin. I am just trying to understand why when Justin is in Vegas and Australia, Mike does not god mode and acts TOTALLY DIFFERENT and his phones on the table?
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:37 AM   #6558
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Since a lot of people are chiming in with expert analysis, I have some to offer when it comes to jail/prison time as a 14.5 year vet in corrections.

While it is common knowledge that there are A TON of variables when it comes to actual time served, even with sentencing guidelines in place, the average person doesn't understand just how varied the time served to the time sentenced can be. For instance, there is a person in my jail who operated his vehicle, while intoxicated, in a reckless manner and the mother of his child was run over, by him and killed. He was sentenced to a lengthy prison sentence but ordered to serve 1 year of work release as part of probationary conditions. (Thankfully he screwed that up and got an additional year and was removed from work release) I tell this to highlight the fact that while, if charged, Postle will certainly be sentenced to a lengthy prison stay, he may only serve jail time and not much at that. All of the depends on not just statues and sentencing guidelines but other factors like criminal history, quality of his attorney, or hell, even if the judge is having a bad day or not. That being said, mother****er is way guilty and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law available.

Long story short, the American criminal justice system sucks and I could rant about it for days.

Please get a new job. Your judgmental attitude and bias towards inmates only serves to cause more problems then solve. You are not there to say things like "thank goodness he messed up and is back" or give legal predictions as a ****ing CO for that matter, you're there to protect the inmates and society from them. Nothing more, nothing less. Please, find a new job, your attitude is bullshit and inmates can see it, guaranteed.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:44 AM   #6559
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I can see your point about Justin. I am just trying to understand why when Justin is in Vegas and Australia, Mike does not god mode and acts TOTALLY DIFFERENT and his phones on the table?
My understanding was that Justin was not the only person away from Stones during the Vegas trip. Australia was only 1 week, I believe.

Someone noted here that Mike never cheated when Taylor was away from Stones (e.g. in Vegas with Justin), in the booth commentating, or busy with other duties, such as being the floorman. Never. So that is compelling evidence that Taylor could definitely be the accomplice.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:49 AM   #6560
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wiiziwiig:

It’s not hate. At least it wasn’t meant to be. It did annoy me and I probably was a bit harsh.

I have now posted what I personally think Soto did and should do. The rest is up to him. I spoke my piece on it and it is my intention to not belabour the point with any further discussion of the topic.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:51 AM   #6561
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Please get a new job. Your judgmental attitude and bias towards inmates only serves to cause more problems then solve. You are not there to say things like "thank goodness he messed up and is back" or give legal predictions as a ****ing CO for that matter, you're there to protect the inmates and society from them. Nothing more, nothing less. Please, find a new job, your attitude is bullshit and inmates can see it, guaranteed.
What are you talking about? I'm on the side of the public, not the government running these people through their broken system. I am fighting the good fight of trying to bring positivity to an inherently negative place.

The guy I referenced is a mega douche who ran over and killed someone and has shown zero remorse since. The vast majority of people in the criminal justice system are victims of addiction, mental illness or both but that guy is a narcissist and doesn't deserve sympathy and yet I still treat him fairly and like a human being, as I do to everyone I serve.

I was highlighting the fact that the system isn't fair and given that Postle is white, can probably afford his own attorney and hasn't committed a crime of violence is likely to reap all the benefits of the crooked system.

Also, if you don't think I know what happens to people going through the system because I'm "just a CO", you're ignorant. Sure, I'm not a lawyer but I know the law pertaining to custody and it is my job to do so.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:52 AM   #6562
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Does anyone know whether Mike was using a Windows phone, or if there's some hack that allows Windows Media Player to run on Apple or Android? Or is it just MP4 or something?
This made me laugh. I read an article awhile back that Windows Phone OS has about 0.25% of mobile OS market share. Now, that doesn't mean MP couldn't have a windows phone: but since we all like math, chances are he doesn't
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:03 AM   #6563
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I can see your point about Justin. I am just trying to understand why when Justin is in Vegas and Australia, Mike does not god mode and acts TOTALLY DIFFERENT and his phones on the table?
Maybe whatever program they are using is only on Justins laptop and when he ls out of town a different laptop is used and they cant cheat.
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:05 AM   #6564
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Another nice phone move by our friend Mikey:


https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=5020


just after he sits down he pulls the phone out of his pocket and puts it between his legs.
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:08 AM   #6565
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This made me laugh. I read an article awhile back that Windows Phone OS has about 0.25% of mobile OS market share. Now, that doesn't mean MP couldn't have a windows phone: but since we all like math, chances are he doesn't

Yeah but the general public wants* facebook and other apps where Mike would want the phone easiest to cheat with so he certainly has a higher chance of a windows phone. Berkey showed the softerware that Mike is probably running and said it runs best on windows phone but can run on a jailbroken android phone as well.

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Old 10-09-2019, 03:14 AM   #6566
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I am one of the 2+2 members actively participating in the collection of data from the Mike Postle video streams in the spreadsheet some of you have seen.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2047845704
Myself and my associates of the spreadsheet data and analysis believe the information will prove to be invaluable. There are additional spreadsheets containing much more additional information that will be published when they are completed. This is exhausting work and the pay really sucks. We feel however that complete and accurate information is critical in this case of "alleged" cheating. My personal focus thus far has been on the sessions that Mr. Postle played before the alleged cheating began. This is a gold mine of information and makes any subsequent case for cheating a compelling one.
My question for the 2+2 membership today is in regards to win-rate (bb/hr). What is an average win-rate for each class of player? Recreational? Regular? Professional? Does such analysis even exist anywhere?
Let me probe the question further with some #'s I created out of my head, these #'s are guesstimates and have no statistical basis behind them.
Player pool: 1 Spaz -22bb/hr, 1 Rec -8bb/hr, 3 Regs 0bb/hr, 3 good Regs 5bb/hr, 1 Pro 10bb/hr. Assuming these statistics are accurate and in isolation, the average results of the pool would be -5bb/hr. This is the type of result that I might expect after considering the table rake. Does anyone know what is the table rake at the Stones live stream?
While I was writing this up and thinking it through I have come to the conclusion that the best comparison for Postles win-rate and other statistical matters is the Stone live stream opponents themselves. This information is available on the streams and seems to me to be the best comparison of Postel's actual results. Maybe I could collect it if i had another 1000 spare hours. Thoughts? Comments?
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:17 AM   #6567
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Yeah but the general public wasn't facebook and other apps where Mike would want the phone easiest to cheat with so he certainly has a higher chance of a windows phone. Berkey showed the softerware that Mike is probably running and said it runs best on windows phone but can run on a jailbroken android phone as well.
I don't even know what you are trying to say mate: "the general public wasn't facebook and other apps..."
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I am one of the 2+2 members actively participating in the collection of data from the Mike Postle video streams in the spreadsheet some of you have seen.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2047845704
Myself and my associates of the spreadsheet data and analysis believe the information will prove to be invaluable. There are additional spreadsheets containing much more additional information that will be published when they are completed. This is exhausting work and the pay really sucks. We feel however that complete and accurate information is critical in this case of "alleged" cheating. My personal focus thus far has been on the sessions that Mr. Postle played before the alleged cheating began. This is a gold mine of information and makes any subsequent case for cheating a compelling one.
My question for the 2+2 membership today is in regards to win-rate (bb/hr). What is an average win-rate for each class of player? Recreational? Regular? Professional? Does such analysis even exist anywhere?
Let me probe the question further with some #'s I created out of my head, these #'s are guesstimates and have no statistical basis behind them.
Player pool: 1 Spaz -22bb/hr, 1 Rec -8bb/hr, 3 Regs 0bb/hr, 3 good Regs 5bb/hr, 1 Pro 10bb/hr. Assuming these statistics are accurate and in isolation, the average results of the pool would be -5bb/hr. This is the type of result that I might expect after considering the table rake. Does anyone know what is the table rake at the Stones live stream?
While I was writing this up and thinking it through I have come to the conclusion that the best comparison for Postles win-rate and other statistical matters is the Stone live stream opponents themselves. This information is available on the streams and seems to me to be the best comparison of Postel's actual results. Maybe I could collect it if i had another 1000 spare hours. Thoughts? Comments?
Kumusta!

This is exactly what I have been waiting on. All sessions logged showing the giant disparity between Postle's actual ability vs. Crotch Theory Optimal
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:25 AM   #6569
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So far, Mikes explanations for some questions has been

- I beat Durrrrr Headsup
- I like to softplay friends sometimes
- I like to play 'famous' hands of poker celebrities
- I soul read like no other (but loves looking at his crotch more)
- I have a daughter
- I dont like the limelight (but will play livestream poker)
- I am not that techy (contradicting basically his work services)

That poor defense lawyer....

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Old 10-09-2019, 03:29 AM   #6570
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I don't even know what you are trying to say mate: "the general public wasn't facebook and other apps..."
Half asleep didn't even notice the typo meant "wants." My point was if a windows phone makes it easier for him to pull this off then its irrelevant how rare windows phones are. Everyone is in agreement he is probably using bone conducting headphones too which I assume are uncommon too.
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I am one of the 2+2 members actively participating in the collection of data from the Mike Postle video streams in the spreadsheet some of you have seen.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2047845704
Myself and my associates of the spreadsheet data and analysis believe the information will prove to be invaluable. There are additional spreadsheets containing much more additional information that will be published when they are completed. This is exhausting work and the pay really sucks. We feel however that complete and accurate information is critical in this case of "alleged" cheating. My personal focus thus far has been on the sessions that Mr. Postle played before the alleged cheating began. This is a gold mine of information and makes any subsequent case for cheating a compelling one.
My question for the 2+2 membership today is in regards to win-rate (bb/hr). What is an average win-rate for each class of player? Recreational? Regular? Professional? Does such analysis even exist anywhere?
Let me probe the question further with some #'s I created out of my head, these #'s are guesstimates and have no statistical basis behind them.
Player pool: 1 Spaz -22bb/hr, 1 Rec -8bb/hr, 3 Regs 0bb/hr, 3 good Regs 5bb/hr, 1 Pro 10bb/hr. Assuming these statistics are accurate and in isolation, the average results of the pool would be -5bb/hr. This is the type of result that I might expect after considering the table rake. Does anyone know what is the table rake at the Stones live stream?
While I was writing this up and thinking it through I have come to the conclusion that the best comparison for Postles win-rate and other statistical matters is the Stone live stream opponents themselves. This information is available on the streams and seems to me to be the best comparison of Postel's actual results. Maybe I could collect it if i had another 1000 spare hours. Thoughts? Comments?
Thanks for your work! I feel a bit odd commenting/questioning your work since I think whatever you do is valuable, but I'm wondering why you plan on spending your time looking at the winrates of anyone but a pro. Postle's a pro, he's already said poker's been his primary source of income for 15+ years, so for me, I'd just spend my time on how his stats compare to other pros. Perhaps I'm missing something? Not being a pro myself, I'm not qualified to answer what winrates should be, but others in here will know.

There will be some variation between a live pro and online. Online stats are more readily available and precise. I'm not sure how many live pros keep accurate records of their stats, but Twitter would be a good place to solicit this data as well.

I wish you luck!

p.s. I was thinking earlier how lucky the Plaintiffs in this case are to have all this crowd-sourced, expert analysis provided to them basically free of charge. I know I would've appreciated it in some of the cases I've been involved in
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:36 AM   #6573
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This hand with Joey where Postle signals to moneymaker is wild

So they have known each other for 15 years.

Dont have a time stamp so can someone do it.

On the turn Postle rubs his cheek 11 times, the other 4 times and then 1 more for hearts.

He is signalling to moneymaker what cards to fold the river on.

On the river he makes a bluff which moneymaker quickly calls. They could be chopping it after the game.

But yeah def signalling in game from Postle. Someone clip it. Its insane
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:37 AM   #6574
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Half asleep didn't even notice the typo meant "wants." My point was if a windows phone makes it easier for him to pull this off then its irrelevant how rare windows phones are. Everyone is in agreement he is probably using bone conducting headphones too which I assume are uncommon too.
Why would a Windows phone make it easier to cheat??? I have a Windows phone: trust me, it can't do as much compared to my Android simply due to lack of apps. Hell, even Microsoft is ending support for Windows Phone OS and told it's user to switch to iOS or Android. But sure, it's a better phone to cheat with I guess!
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:45 AM   #6575
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This hand with Joey where Postle signals to moneymaker is wild

So they have known each other for 15 years.

Dont have a time stamp so can someone do it.

On the turn Postle rubs his cheek 11 times, the other 4 times and then 1 more for hearts.

He is signalling to moneymaker what cards to fold the river on.

On the river he makes a bluff which moneymaker quickly calls. They could be chopping it after the game.

But yeah def signalling in game from Postle. Someone clip it. Its insane
Really? This is turning into a witch hunt.
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