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Old 10-09-2019, 12:24 AM   #6526
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:24 AM   #6527
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well over a year or two ago, i blocked Veronica on twitter because i got tired of seeing her tweets because some of them were pro-satanist and they definitely offended my religious sensibilities. and she was publishing way too many of them, same reason i block many others. however ive looked at her tweets recently when it asked are u sure? reason is, no matter her beliefs, i definitely feel she did the right thing in bringing this to everyones attention and should be congratulated for speaking up. i hope stones management or ownership since they might be guilty in all this, dont retaliate against her for speaking up.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:26 AM   #6528
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I never understood the importance of the hat stuffing thing. Headphones were allowed at that point in time. Is it your belief that it just adds to suspicious behavior?
I'm interested to discover exactly how he cheated so lawyers and investigators can get all the evidence they need.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:28 AM   #6529
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There is nothing in the document that hasn't been spoken about in this thread.
Indeed, yet they seem to be confident about the identity of John Doe. I have no idea how the legal system in California works, but that makes me wonder if there's an advantage to alleging uncertain facts to get the discovery proces going. Where I'm from that would definitely be a no go in your clients interest, but it might be different over there.

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And I clearly remember that Veronica released information on the dates JFK was out of town and its correlation to Mike not being on stream as much and reduced win rates. I'm not a lawyer, but simple deductive reasoning and process of elimination points to John Doe 1 either being JFK or Taylor.
Based on the facts I would assume it's Taylor, but that doesn't align with the description of John Doe in the lawsuit at all. There it's said Mike played significantly less when John Doe wasn't around, yet Taylor commented on 7 episodes in the rare instances Mike wasn't playing.

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The fact that Mike is not cheating when they are both present isn't really of concern here, but could you produce evidence of that?
Sure.

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And those took me 3 minutes to find, there are many more even outside the WSOP.

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Old 10-09-2019, 12:29 AM   #6530
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As far as Berky's fantastic video, with MP possibly having access to the backroom software with his Dream Seat stuff, would it be possible for him to have setup the repeat stream himself and it be permanently on?
Then when phones got banned he used his phone to convert other players holdings to text on his headphones?
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:37 AM   #6531
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well over a year or two ago, i blocked Veronica on twitter because i got tired of seeing her tweets because some of them were pro-satanist and they definitely offended my religious sensibilities. and she was publishing way too many of them, same reason i block many others. however ive looked at her tweets recently when it asked are u sure? reason is, no matter her beliefs, i definitely feel she did the right thing in bringing this to everyones attention and should be congratulated for speaking up. i hope stones management or ownership since they might be guilty in all this, dont retaliate against her for speaking up.
Don't worry, she has satan on her side
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:39 AM   #6532
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Is it possible that the cheating continued after the stream ended in the bigger off stream games? Previous poster stated he played in the game and mentioned the bigger game after the stream.
Mike mostly played during the livestream, this was discussed earlier in the thread by others who played in the game. He would show up as the stream started and leave shortly after it ended.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:42 AM   #6533
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way to harsh.


ridiculously harsh and embarrassing post. You and RR are acting like he did not get thrown in a entirely terrible situation? He is sitting with $20,000 of his own money .... do you understand how much that is in the poker world and how hard that is to make? This is not some 1/3 local game, its 10/25/50 or whatever and the stakes are relevant. And he is getting fed to the wolves (someone who veronica thought was likely cheating and never mentions it once in 120 minute car ride) and is quite angry about it. Understandable.


+1000. Easy to sit back on computer and criticize - dont even know Soto - just think the hate here is ridiculous.
+1

Another thing to note is if she did tell them on the car ride they probably would’ve told her not to go public yet and would’ve tried to find a way to catch him red handed and have 100% proof. Not saying Veronica wasn’t in an extremely tough position but to hate on Soto for feeling the way he does is crazy to me. Multiple posters have been mad at other commentators for bringing people into their 1/3 game where the people they brought in have been cheated let alone this high stakes game.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m not hating on Veronica. I’m just saying things could’ve been handled differently. I don’t know how I would’ve handled things if I was her so I’m not hating on her in any way.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:47 AM   #6534
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I don’t know how I would’ve handled things if I was her so I’m not hating on her in any way.
Exactly, and neither should Soto. Which is exactly my point. Berkey was in the same car and does know how to react on the situation in a dignified way. You realize Veronica herself is a victim because she lost to Mike as well?
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:50 AM   #6535
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First off new to the forum and definitely a noob to forums in general.
So Hello all.

I am interested in the figures that have been published and referenced in the complaint filed. $250,000.

I played the stream July 22nd 2019 and I remember Mike adding on to his stack at least twice. The excel spreadsheet OP by Ingram states he only bought in for 500. I can only really comment on this particular stream because I witnessed him adding on personally. If these numbers are wrong I only assume the majority of the published numbers are wrong.
That said, the evidence is compelling and I am in no way in MP's corner.
He added on $1500 at 4:24 of the stream. I put a comment on the spreadsheet.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:54 AM   #6536
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Exactly, and neither should Soto. Which is exactly my point. Berkey was in the same car and does know how to react on the situation in a dignified way. You realize Veronica herself is a victim because she lost to Mike as well?
Yes I realize that but I also realize people who are victims react in different ways. I don’t think Soto or Berkey are wrong for their reactions and how they’ve handled things even though they are vastly different.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:58 AM   #6537
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

In case you needed more Postle lols here's a hand where he has KK against Q5 that hasn't previously been documented on this thread.

https://youtu.be/9L6DueV9aHc?t=433

Spoiler alert:
Spoiler:

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Old 10-09-2019, 01:04 AM   #6538
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This is the best frame of it:

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24:30 We can see mike phone turn on with a big blue screen as he gets up. Does that all blue screen mean anything with regards to obs, the stream setup, the live feed, or etc....?

Because it clearly isn't a regular homescreen. Could the all blue be the background to the software that shows the hole cards? Anyone zoom in on that blue screen, it almost looks like a line of text towards the top? I need you 2 plus 2 detectives to zoom in and .25 speed that video frame by frame LETS GO. 24:30

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=1461

Just reposting it if anyone wants the link to this stream.

Remember this was a July 2018 Stream before he perfected his ways. He was lazy here.

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Old 10-09-2019, 01:08 AM   #6539
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He is sitting with $20,000 of his own money .... do you understand how much that is
It's less than 12 shares of Amazon, 1/15th of a share of Berkshire Hathaway, or 2 and half bitcoins. It's not very much money at all. If he thinks it is a lot of money maybe he should start using other people's money instead. Berkey can drop a few hundred grand of someone else's money and it's just another day at the office for him.

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Old 10-09-2019, 01:16 AM   #6540
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this stream is being funny af. Definitely a must watch this live stream from JOE
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:19 AM   #6541
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In case you needed more Postle lols here's a hand where he has KK against Q5 that hasn't previously been documented on this thread.

https://youtu.be/9L6DueV9aHc?t=433

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May have been documented a little.

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Love this hand he played against a vlogger. Mike folds KK on turn because he can see (incorrect fold?) and K ball comes on river. This proves mike is a cheater and also doesn't know runout. The commentator says "Mike Correctly folds KK on turn".

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This video is from 27th Nov 2018. Here we have proof that Postle can not see the run out as he folds KK on a QQxx board and the other player holding Qx. However there is another player also in the pot so we get to see the river card, which is K. The hand begins at 7:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6DueV9aHc

Feel really sorry for the guy which have made this video as he was one of the victims losing a grand in the game.
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There is a hand where he folded KK on QQxx and a K hit on the river, so he knew his opponents cards from the RFID, but didn't know what would be dealt.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:23 AM   #6542
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Very important tweet. Archived here in case Postle deletes it:
http://archive.fo/16BsR
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:25 AM   #6543
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But as much as I like Berkey's work I think that Soto dude is a bit of a low life worm. Especially they way he went after Veronica. Difficult life changing decision for her to bring this out and he has no clue. This guy sat in a car with her for "two hours" and expects her to pour out her heart. I have to call Soto up on his scummy part in the Berkey vlog.
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Indeed a salty antisocial lowlife. Out of the dozen people that could have spoken up earlier he chose to attack the woman that did. While he could have brought his issue up in private he chose to publicly attack her. With any rational thinking he could have known it wasn’t easy to accuse a supposed friend of cheating. No better person than Mike the Apostle himself imo.
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I understand his frustration and anger, but that in no way justifies taking it out on the one person that had enough guts to bring this to light. If not for her there would have been many more victims. The evidence was there for everyone to see and yet he chose to publicly confront the one and only person that spoke out in public. And what is a 2 hour car ride supposed to mean? Mike’s and her children were playing together and he knew this before publicly blaming her. He can and should have known that brings a burden to accusing him to others during car rides. And if he had understandable questions he should have had the decency to ask them in private without using a public forum. This is an unreasonable and antisocial person who can’t handle his frustration and I will avoid him just as much as I will Mike.
I think you guys might be confusing the hate Veronica initially received on twitter, which was terrible to say the least as people have said some draw droppingly horrible and unspeakable things to and about her, vs a guy who is a little mad for not being told about being taken to a game with a suspected cheater in it. Its not like Soto is mad that she came forward, he commended her for it. He is mad that she didn't tell him. It is pretty much an unwritten rule, "bro code" or "poker player code" if you will, that if there is a suspected cheater in a game, you let your friends know. While I do not find it in good taste or wise that he vocalized this in a public format, the fact of the matter is, Veronica knew that there was a suspected cheater, she had the opportunity to tell him, and she didn't. Then in between the end of that session and her tweet, she asks them what they thought of Mike's cheating. It is my guess that she didn't tell them to get their unbiased opinion about whether she thought Postle was cheating. I am not mad at her for that, its not fair for her to be selective and only tell Berkey and Soto. I think it makes perfect sense that if she wasn't going to tell everyone, then she should tell no one until she is ready to go public. But I can be objective about it, Soto might not be able to, bc Soto had 20gs of his own money on the table. Look this case definitely expands beyond the scope of Berkey and Soto's single session with the cheater, who has stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of several months and thousands and thousands of hands. I'm not going to try to change your guy's opinions on the matter, I just want to put in a defense because what you guys are saying seems a little bit harsh and i think its less serious than you are making it out to be.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:31 AM   #6544
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Looks like his phone has the blue screen of death.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:33 AM   #6545
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Indeed, yet they seem to be confident about the identity of John Doe. I have no idea how the legal system in California works, but that makes me wonder if there's an advantage to alleging uncertain facts to get the discovery proces going. Where I'm from that would definitely be a no go in your clients interest, but it might be different over there.


Based on the facts I would assume it's Taylor, but that doesn't align with the description of John Doe in the lawsuit at all. There it's said Mike played significantly less when John Doe wasn't around, yet Taylor commented on 7 episodes in the rare instances Mike wasn't playing.


Sure.

Taylor:



Justin:



And those took me 3 minutes to find, there are many more even outside the WSOP.
There were talks early on in this thread, around the time that the Justin @ WSOP theory surfaced, that Mike didn't cheat when Justin was commentating. When Taylors name surfaced, there again was mention that Mike didn't cheat when Taylor was commenting. Not sure how this theory has been doing over time as it kind of got lost in all the new data flowing in, but that might be the reason why you see Mike not cheating when Mike and Taylor are around and commentating.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:35 AM   #6546
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I have nothing substantive to add...some interesting take from the commentary booth:

"He's mike P. and you don't mess with mike P. because he knows where he's at. I just don't want to play against him ever, he too good, and I just feel he'll soul read me every time, and I'll always feel like the worst player ever."


Probably what it would be like if you were up against THE GAWD day in and out.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:35 AM   #6547
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I think you guys might be confusing the hate Veronica initially received on twitter, which was terrible to say the least as people have said some draw droppingly horrible and unspeakable things to and about her, vs a guy who is a little mad for not being told about being taken to a game with a suspected cheater in it. Its not like Soto is mad that she came forward, he commended her for it. He is mad that she didn't tell him. It is pretty much an unwritten rule, "bro code" or "poker player code" if you will, that if there is a suspected cheater in a game, you let your friends know. While I do not find it in good taste or wise that he vocalized this in a public format, the fact of the matter is, Veronica knew that there was a suspected cheater, she had the opportunity to tell him, and she didn't. Then in between the end of that session and her tweet, she asks them what they thought of Mike's cheating. It is my guess that she didn't tell them to get their unbiased opinion about whether she thought Postle was cheating. I am not mad at her for that, its not fair for her to be selective and only tell Berkey and Soto. I think it makes perfect sense that if she wasn't going to tell everyone, then she should tell no one until she is ready to go public. But I can be objective about it, Soto might not be able to, bc Soto had 20gs of his own money on the table. Look this case definitely expands beyond the scope of Berkey and Soto's single session with the cheater, who has stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of several months and thousands and thousands of hands. I'm not going to try to change your guy's opinions on the matter, I just want to put in a defense because what you guys are saying seems a little bit harsh and i think its less serious than you are making it out to be.
I think this is how most people who are defending Soto feel. It’s how I feel but you said it in a much better way than I did.
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:44 AM   #6548
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:45 AM   #6549
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Does anyone know whether Mike was using a Windows phone, or if there's some hack that allows Windows Media Player to run on Apple or Android? Or is it just MP4 or something?
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:48 AM   #6550
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Does anyone know whether Mike was using a Windows phone, or if there's some hack that allows Windows Media Player to run on Apple or Android? Or is it just MP4 or something?
It really doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be windows media player. Any smartphone could be very simply set up for that backdoor PokerGFX stream.

I am curious though, generally speaking, when can open insecure portals like Berkey explains, exposing a machine to the outside world, it's at least password protected. Does PokerGFX have that option?
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