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Old 10-08-2019, 08:09 PM   #6401
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There are quite a few episodes outside of the WSOP where Mike didn't cheat when Taylor, Justin or both were present.
There is nothing in the document that hasn't been spoken about in this thread. And I clearly remember that Veronica released information on the dates JFK was out of town and its correlation to Mike not being on stream as much and reduced win rates. I'm not a lawyer, but simple deductive reasoning and process of elimination points to John Doe 1 either being JFK or Taylor. If lawdude says it can't be JFK, then it must be Taylor. I could pose the rebuttal to lawdude, that just because it is common practice to use John Doe's in court for statue of limitations for unnamable persons, it does not always have to be used that way and could be used to protect both the accused and the accusers while more data is being collected. While it could be true they are using John Doe as a way to go after people after discovery takes place, they are specifically stating John Doe 1 was out of town. There is 0% chance they do not know his name here, so it seems more likely they are protecting his identity to protect themselves and the accused if they are wrong.

The fact that Mike is not cheating when they are both present isn't really of concern here, but could you produce evidence of that?
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:10 PM   #6402
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Postle, Kuraitis And Stones Subect Of Multimillion Dollar Lawsuit

https://www.pocketfives.com/articles...awsuit-626929/
dam getting sued for $30 million
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:11 PM   #6403
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Can it really be postulated that the color of Mike's screen in these pics can be measured against the background of the stream software?

I'm not saying it isn't, I'm sold all the way.

I just think color can shift as it goes through however many renderings it did, right up to the screen it's being sampled from.

'what color is the dress' stuff.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:15 PM   #6404
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Can it really be postulated that the color of Mike's screen in these pics can be measured against the background of the stream software?

I'm not saying it isn't, I'm sold all the way.

I just think color can shift as it goes through however many renderings it did, right up to the screen it's being sampled from.

'what color is the dress' stuff.
Yeah I'm not sure - maybe someone else can chime in. But the fact that the actual hue is so close is interesting. From what I know about photography - the hue isn't going to change much based on lighting. Color is the frequency of the reflected (or in this case generated) light. It's hard to change this. Obviously the two screens are going to produce a slightly different hue. But manufacturers try to get that as close to "true" as possible.

This is how you can tell what elements the sun and other stars are made up. The light frequency stays constant - doesn't matter if you view it from space or filtered through the earth's atmosphere. The only way it would change is if you were moving really fast. In fact astronomers use this red shift, knowing spectral signatures of common elements of the stars - to tell how fast they're moving away from us.

Also how many times do you see a bright blue screen like that one a phone - especially where most of it is empty space - on any app or homescreen?

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Old 10-08-2019, 08:15 PM   #6405
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Postle, Kuraitis And Stones Subect Of Multimillion Dollar Lawsuit

https://www.pocketfives.com/articles...awsuit-626929/
If they win who pays out 30 million, pretty sure MP doesn’t have it, stones has to pay ?
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:17 PM   #6406
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@suzzer yeah. You don't see blue that intense around much. That's most likely what we're seeing.

I don't believe taking a color wheel sample proves anything.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:22 PM   #6407
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It means that whoever John Doe 1 is, he or she was sent a letter from Plaintiffs' counsel indicating that they are representing Plaintiffs with respect to this dispute, that they believe in good faith that they have claims against the addressee, and that demand is made that John Doe 1 preserve all of their physical and electronic evidence, records, and files that relate in any way to the dispute. It usually includes a threat that failure to do so can result in court sanctions.
Thank you for this.
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There is nothing in the document that hasn't been spoken about in this thread. And I clearly remember that Veronica released information on the dates JFK was out of town and its correlation to Mike not being on stream as much and reduced win rates. I'm not a lawyer, but simple deductive reasoning and process of elimination points to John Doe 1 either being JFK or Taylor....
My initial reading of the legal document was that John Doe (whom I took to be the technical accomplice) is either Taylor Smith, Lance Hudspeth, or another member of the production crew that hasn't had the finger pointed at them in this thread.
I suspect one of these people received a very unwelcome letter from VerStandig today, and they are shitting themselves right now.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:23 PM   #6408
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If they win who pays out 30 million, pretty sure MP doesn’t have it, stones has to pay ?
Nobody's winning $30 million here. The Plaintiffs just went for a flashier figure.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:23 PM   #6409
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm going to post 4 names of the people who have done such an amazing job with all of this. They are due. Heroic job people!

Joey Ingram
Doug Polk (WCGRider around these parts)
Matt Berkey
And of course, our new member with an epic contribution:
Gumpnstein

And I will never forget all the other people around here who have done such top drawer research and spent many of their waking hours getting to the bottom of this. There have been so many great unselfish contributors that I don't want to name names and leave someone out.

Oh **** it, I will. Utopia. Great job!

I'm really hopeful that Verstandig ultimately becomes our hero.

This thread is very meaningful and will be referenced for many years to come.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:27 PM   #6410
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In California casinos, tournament cashes, jackpots, high hand, and table drawings that are 5k+ are auto taxed on the spot.

While 10k cashouts at the cashier are reported to the IRS.
Everyone needs to stop saying this. Casinos don't report your cash outs to the IRS(although everyone thinks this, it's just not true). This just isn't a thing.

The form you're talking about is called a CTR (Cash Transaction Report) which the casino is required to file whenever you cash out more than 10k (also for buy-ins at table games, but not in poker for whatever reason). It is sent to the Federal Agency in charge of investigating money laundering (called FinCEN, I believe).

Banks do the same thing when you deposit or withdrawal amounts over 10k. If you specifically structure your cash outs to avoid the CTR it is a federal crime called structuring. Again, this has nothing to do with taxes, but everyone who does it thinks they are somehow avoiding the IRS when it's actually worse.

This is a federal law. Look it up.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:28 PM   #6411
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@suzzer yeah. You don't see blue that intense around much. That's most likely what we're seeing.

I don't believe taking a color wheel sample proves anything.


Maybe not. The color in the lower right is 237 hue - which is between the two hues I sampled. So there's all these possible slight variations in electric blue you *could* have - and you wind up that close. It's not proof but I think it's another data point.

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Old 10-08-2019, 08:30 PM   #6412
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/348363451?t=4h10m50s

Why nobody is talking about this hand?

It is so eerie because seems pretty obvious he already know what his opponent hole card are before villain shows. Listen to what he say when the turn comes 7c. His reaction was "Oh shxt" because 46s on villain hole card have a chance for runner runner. So disgusting and still laughing out loud there.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:30 PM   #6413
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That video explains all the of bright blue screens we occasionally catch when we can see his phone on the stream... This is it! i'm convinced 100%
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:33 PM   #6414
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Everyone needs to stop saying this. Casinos don't report your cash outs to the IRS(although everyone thinks this, it's just not true). This just isn't a thing.

The form you're talking about is called a CTR (Cash Transaction Report) which the casino is required to file whenever you cash out more than 10k (also for buy-ins at table games, but not in poker for whatever reason). It is sent to the Federal Agency in charge of investigating money laundering (called FinCEN, I believe).

Banks do the same thing when you deposit or withdrawal amounts over 10k. If you specifically structure your cash outs to avoid the CTR it is a federal crime called structuring. Again, this has nothing to do with taxes, but everyone who does it thinks they are somehow avoiding the IRS when it's actually worse.

This is a federal law. Look it up.
Yea that actually makes a lot of sense. I always wondered why itd be reported to the IRS when you could have bought in for 20k and cashed out 10k. Thanks for the info. I guess when people are asked for their SSN when cashing out 10k from casinos, they just assume its being sent to the IRS.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:34 PM   #6415
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Everyone needs to stop saying this. Casinos don't report your cash outs to the IRS(although everyone thinks this, it's just not true). This just isn't a thing.

The form you're talking about is called a CTR (Cash Transaction Report) which the casino is required to file whenever you cash out more than 10k (also for buy-ins at table games, but not in poker for whatever reason). It is sent to the Federal Agency in charge of investigating money laundering (called FinCEN, I believe).

Banks do the same thing when you deposit or withdrawal amounts over 10k. If you specifically structure your cash outs to avoid the CTR it is a federal crime called structuring. Again, this has nothing to do with taxes, but everyone who does it thinks they are somehow avoiding the IRS when it's actually worse.

This is a federal law. Look it up.
Correct. For an example of structuring, look up the case of former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, who was convicted of it for paying hush money payments in split up denominations under $10k to a former victim of abuse at his hands to avoid detection.

There are separate issues for tax withholding, but they generally only come up in tournaments, and they arise whether or not you are paid in cash.

I.e., if you ask for the casino to write you a check or wire transfer you the money in a $10k chip cash-out, or ask that it be deposited into your player's bank account, no CTR is required. CTR's are only for $10,000 cash.

In contrast, if you win a tournament or cash big, you may have to fill out tax forms and possibly there will be withholding. That's true even if the casino pays you by check or deposits the money into your player's bank account.

If you win a big cash in a tournament and ask to be paid in cash, they may have to file BOTH a CTR AND a tax form.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:36 PM   #6416
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I guess a CTR is also what you are doing when flying with 10k+ and report it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:38 PM   #6417
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Can anyone link the video and timestamp where the blue phone screen shows? I might be able to enhance it some and see a little more.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:38 PM   #6418
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/348363451?t=4h10m50s
Why nobody is talking about this hand?
It is so eerie because seems pretty obvious he already know what his opponent hole card are before villain shows. Listen to what he say when the turn comes 7c. His reaction was "Oh shxt" because 46s on villain hole card have a chance for runner runner. So disgusting and still laughing out loud there.
The hand where he calls a 5-bet with 95o and ultimately jams the flop was one of the first hands everyone looked it. It's been discussed endlessly, including how he reacts to the 7 on the turn. I think both Ingram and Polk have included it in popular videos.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:41 PM   #6419
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Correct. For an example of structuring, look up the case of former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, who was convicted of it for paying hush money payments in split up denominations under $10k to a former victim of abuse at his hands to avoid detection.

There are separate issues for tax withholding, but they generally only come up in tournaments, and they arise whether or not you are paid in cash.

I.e., if you ask for the casino to write you a check or wire transfer you the money in a $10k chip cash-out, or ask that it be deposited into your player's bank account, no CTR is required. CTR's are only for $10,000 cash.

In contrast, if you win a tournament or cash big, you may have to fill out tax forms and possibly there will be withholding. That's true even if the casino pays you by check or deposits the money into your player's bank account.

If you win a big cash in a tournament and ask to be paid in cash, they may have to file BOTH a CTR AND a tax form.
Yes, you are all right. I’m fairness tho, this topic came up in this thread bc even this lawsuit gets that fact wrong. Talks about it as a tax avoidance thing.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:42 PM   #6420
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I been captivated and reading most of the investigation in this thread
Great job by Joey and poker community to try to solve this cheating scandal
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:42 PM   #6421
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The hand where he calls a 5-bet with 95o and ultimately jams the flop was one of the first hands everyone looked it. It's been discussed endlessly, including how he reacts to the 7 on the turn. I think both Ingram and Polk have included it in popular videos.
Really? Sorry, maybe I missed that. I thought nobody discussing this hand. It was so obvious he already know what villain hole card are.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:47 PM   #6422
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I guess a CTR is also what you are doing when flying with 10k+ and report it.
Nope, this is different. You only have to declare 10k or more if you're travelling internationally. There's no limit an the amount of cash you can carry around within the US, and no reason to declare it (although sometimes airport security will stop you/question you if you have large amounts of cash, and cops will, too. They might even steal it from you, but that's another matter).
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:49 PM   #6423
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Can anyone link the video and timestamp where the blue phone screen shows? I might be able to enhance it some and see a little more.
I reposted the video a couple pages or even last page. Its also in my post history
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:52 PM   #6424
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/348363451?t=4h10m50s

Why nobody is talking about this hand?

It is so eerie because seems pretty obvious he already know what his opponent hole card are before villain shows. Listen to what he say when the turn comes 7c. His reaction was "Oh shxt" because 46s on villain hole card have a chance for runner runner. So disgusting and still laughing out loud there.
Been talked about a lot actualy, not for a while though
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:53 PM   #6425
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Nope, this is different. You only have to declare 10k or more if you're travelling internationally. There's no limit an the amount of cash you can carry around within the US, and no reason to declare it (although sometimes airport security will stop you/question you if you have large amounts of cash, and cops will, too. They might even steal it from you, but that's another matter).
Is it CTR when flying internationally or something else? This is good info every poker player should know.
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