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Old 10-08-2019, 07:10 PM   #6376
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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If this were an episode of CSI, we could zoom in and see perfectly what he had on his screen. Too bad this is the real world, and pixels dont work like that.
What about using a program like NASA's Lucis? Back in the day law enforcement would often send photos and videos to NASA to get them enhanced. Not sure if this technology is more widespread today or not.

The human eye can only discern like 32 levels of contrast but a typical photograph has 256 levels of contrast (digitally that would be represented as 0 to 255 with 0 equaling black and 255 equaling white). A program like Lucis makes those small differences in contrast large enough for the human eye to discern when it otherwise couldn't.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:10 PM   #6377
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I'm saying it is likely to be someone other than JFK, because the only reason to include Doe defendants is so that if you later discover co-conspirators, you can include them in the lawsuit without your claims against them being barred by the statute of limitations.

When you name a defendant, you've already satisfied the statute. Plaintiffs suit against JFK is filed as of October 8 (assuming they filed today). So there's no reason to name the same person as a Doe defendant.
This does not sound like their reasoning, lawdude. From page 7:

“The plaintiffs have a good faith basis upon which to allege the identify of the person who is John Doe 1…The Plaintiffs, however, are cognizantly refraining from making such an allegaltion against this particular defendant herein until greater information can be gleaned through the discovery process, in recognition of the sensitivity of making such an allegation. If necessary…however, the Plaintiffs are prepared to amend this Complaint and identify John Doe 1 by his legal name…their election to not do so at this time is solely derivative of a desire to be more cautious than required, given the gravity of this matter.”

The picture they paint of John Doe 1 throughout the rest of the complaint line up with numerous points within this thread here, specifically being out of town during a losing session and brushing aside suspicions raised.

To me it seems they are ready to specifically name his as being negligent, just don't want to label him a cheat...yet.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:13 PM   #6378
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Dougs latest PLO video on Postle is hilarious.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:14 PM   #6379
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The PokerGFX company guy mentioned the logging function that the software has. I wonder if anybody has ever looked at this to see what kind of actions were taking place. Did Justin look when Veronica first voiced her concerns several months ago?

There might be some juicy info in the logs, like IP address the info was sent to, etc.

You would think if Postle had an inside conspirator, that person would have turned off the logging function. However, maybe not. And, if so, maybe the log would show who disabled it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:16 PM   #6380
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I thought Justin and Taylor went to the WSOP together, and that's when Mike stopped cheating and didn't play on stream as much.
There are quite a few episodes outside of the WSOP where Mike didn't cheat when Taylor, Justin or both were present.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:19 PM   #6381
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What about using a program like NASA's Lucis? Back in the day law enforcement would often send photos and videos to NASA to get them enhanced. Not sure if this technology is more widespread today or not.

The human eye can only discern like 32 levels of contrast but a typical photograph has 256 levels of contrast (digitally that would be represented as 0 to 255 with 0 equaling black and 255 equaling white). A program like Lucis makes those small differences in contrast large enough for the human eye to discern when it otherwise couldn't.
that sounds promising, im sure someone in the poker world has got to have a friend who works for NASA, it would probably be easiest to get a hold of a programmer there
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:20 PM   #6382
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Should be interesting to see what Verstanding argues damages could be. theoretically money lost to Postle, if instead was won(or just not lost), could boost a BR for higher stakes and more profit/return. Gonna be juicy.

Edit: O wait, they listed an amount. 10 Mil. Damn lol. Also crazy they just split it evenly, if you played a single hand on stream get yo ass as a plantiff!
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:21 PM   #6383
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That gfx software actually makes it easier to see/remember holecards, without needing any live video of the players at all. And that cheating method's latency issues tie in with the extended crotch-staring.
It would be very cool if Berkey could re-do that compelling video, but show the gfx software being streamed on to an i-phone's media player.


Berkey's vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qar...ature=youtu.be

EDIT: A bright blue screen with a few black/white text bits would also be easy for one of the production crew (or Justin) to recognise at a moment's glance, which is why Postle kept it so well hidden.
Wonder what happens when you put the url into a mobile browser. If it doesn't launch video on it's own, then something like VLC has options on both iOS and Android for opening network streams very easily:

https://www.vlchelp.com/play-youtube...-online-video/

https://www.applegazette.com/iphone/...th-vlc-mobile/
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:21 PM   #6384
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This does not sound like their reasoning, lawdude. From page 7:

“The plaintiffs have a good faith basis upon which to allege the identify of the person who is John Doe 1…The Plaintiffs, however, are cognizantly refraining from making such an allegaltion against this particular defendant herein until greater information can be gleaned through the discovery process, in recognition of the sensitivity of making such an allegation. If necessary…however, the Plaintiffs are prepared to amend this Complaint and identify John Doe 1 by his legal name…their election to not do so at this time is solely derivative of a desire to be more cautious than required, given the gravity of this matter.”

The picture they paint of John Doe 1 throughout the rest of the complaint line up with numerous points within this thread here, specifically being out of town during a losing session and brushing aside suspicions raised.

To me it seems they are ready to specifically name his as being negligent, just don't want to label him a cheat...yet.
That's not a proper use of Doe pleading, if they are talking about JFK. (Perhaps, again, this underlines that this complaint is basically better viewed as a press release.)

Here's the rule of the statute of limitations as to JFK, a NAMED Defendant:

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[6:735] Requirements for application of relation back doctrine: For an amended complaint to relate back to the original complaint as to parties named therein by their true names, it must:
— be based on the “same general set of facts” as the original; and
— seek recovery against the same defendants for the “same injuries”; and
— refer to the “same incident”—i.e., the “same accident” caused by the “same offending instrumentality.” [Barrington v. A. H. Robins Co. (1985) 39 C3d 146, 150, 216 CR 405, 407; Norgart v. Upjohn Co. (1999) 21 C4th 383, 408-409, 87 CR2d 453, 471-472; see Pointe San Diego Residential Comm., L.P. v. Procopio, Cory, Hargreaves & Savitch, LLP (2011) 195 CA4th 265, 277, 125 CR3d 540, 550—“in applying the relation-back analysis, courts should consider the strong policy in this state that cases should be decided on their merits” (internal quotes omitted)]
In other words, any claim based on the same general set of facts (i.e., the cheating scandal) and which caused the same injuries relates back to the date of filing of the original complaint as to JFK. There's no need (and in fact it is improper) to name him as a Doe. He's pleaded.

And here's California Code of Civil Procedure Section 474, dealing with Doe pleading:

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When the plaintiff is ignorant of the name of a defendant, he must state that fact in the complaint, or the affidavit if the action is commenced by affidavit, and such defendant may be designated in any pleading or proceeding by any name, and when his true name is discovered, the pleading or proceeding must be amended accordingly;
Doe pleading is about when you are ignorant of the name of someone who injured you, so you don't name him. But when you do name him, he's not a Doe, and you can relate back any claims arising out of the same facts against that named defendant to the date you filed the Complaint.

If it turns out John Doe 1 was JFK, they were using pleading-as-press release, trying to include a bunch of juicy allegations that they, perhaps, didn't have all the necessary evidence to support, in the pleading anyway.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:22 PM   #6385
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There are quite a few episodes outside of the WSOP where Mike didn't cheat when Taylor, Justin or both were present.
Did not cheat when A was not there doesn't mean must cheat when A is there.

I think something like is covered in a basic LOGIC 101 class.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:27 PM   #6386
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Nice demonstration. But for this to work Mike would have had to also be logged on to the same local network the server is on to access the local IP address. The „server“, if the network is setup correctly, should not have access to the internet (and therefore can’t stream to twitch i.e., and also, more importantly, the video feed could not be reached directly from the internet, i.e. Mike’s phone). Let’s hope the network has been monitored, there might be some evidence found there as he, again, would have had to be logged in to their internal wifi.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:27 PM   #6387
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Message to Godeep Aka Mike Postle:

Lemme just start off by saying the scheme u pulled off for over a year was pretty brilliant. As far as beating the game itself, it was absolutely foolproof and cud net a uncapped winrate. The game and casino selection, which was certainly by happenstance rather than choice, was still nonetheless perfect. In no world does this go down at LATB or televised high-stakes, but the Stones stream was ideal. The system u used was also very effective bc despite everything that’s been uncovered, we still don’t have a smoking gun. So well done. Fyi tho, I’m not going to address the fact that it takes a morally bankrupt person to fleece $$ from innocent, everyday poker players. That part is bw u, the mirror, and a Higher Intelligence than any of us.

Ok, so when it comes to deception and cheating, u r an absolute fish. I get that ur an early pioneer of using RFID live-streams to cheat, but u still suck at it. The visual adjustments u made did u little service. Clearly u never considered that all of yr actions were being recorded for eternity, and thus cud be meticulously scrutinized. U went from phone on table pre-God, to solely staring at phone in crotch Post-God. The timing of your crotch stares were always telling, as pointed out by all the hand analysis. I will say tho, this prob wasn’t obvious at the time to you or anyone else bc u were never called on it by other players or commentators. However, when u watch the recordings, there is no doubt. I’m also guessing u made the mistake of never going back to watch your streams in detail. If u had, u wud’ve made adjustments, played on ur phone now n then to mix it up, been aware of the hat bulge (made it less conspicuous if possible), and just try to continually improve your optics. But other than wisely moving to the better seat 2, u continued wth the same fixed phone crotch God-mode thing we all know to well. U never thought past level 2, whereas the sleuths r already on like level 6+. Fish rarely think past level 2, so no surprise here.

The biggest reason u r a massive fish at cheating is the actual play itself. Your lines and moves were just way too thin and flawless to past muster, especially when viewed collectively. To quote one of several awesome memes of u: “Postle’s biggest mistake was that he never made any”. I have a few theories on why u wud be so stupid here, other than the fact that u just seem pretty stupid and greedy: 1) since the $ was being split among the other douche canoes involved, there was a greater incentive to milk every penny, 2) God-mode is a powerful feeling like no other, and can’t simply be turned down once blood is tasted (Daenerys destroying Kings Landing comes to mind here), and 3) like many criminals who inevitably get caught, u grossly overestimated yr own intelligence while underestimating everyone else’s.

Lastly, u really suck at lying and trying to convince ppl that u r innocent. The Matusow interview was a bonehead move. Nothing u said raised any doubt about your guilt or really even addressed it. The statements u put out there, while barely relevant, were still quickly disproven thereby burying u even further. Everyone knows now and forever that Mike Postle cheated innocent ppl out of $300kish. Welcome to yr life. Ironically, the most damning piece of evidence was not even your doing, rather it’s when yr boy Taylor f’ed up and changed the RFID graphics bc ur play was just too horribly obvious otherwise. But as I stated earlier, the scam itself was ****ing brilliant. Had they chosen a smart and cunning pointman, this could’ve gone undetected indefinitely earning modest but consistent loot. But clearly u suck at life Postle, so ur out, it’s over, and u ****ed the thing u love, poker.
Just wanted to say this is brilliant, glad you signed up to post it. "Douche canoes" amazing.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:29 PM   #6388
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How Mike could have pulled it off alone.

After watching the video posted today from Matt Berkey on how the graphics software works, it occurred to me a way the Mike Postle could have done this all alone. We know that Mike has a good relationship with the Stones management. We know that Mike has some knowledge of how the system works simply based on being there. It is likely that at some point Mike was in the back production room with some of the Stones people and was able to see what software is being used to make things work. It would be a simple process for him to go look up that software and get a basic understanding of it. If you watch Berkeys video its very straight forward. Given this knowledge and his relationships, he could know that management is watching the stream live.

Now, here is what I suspect happened. He was just casually in the back room one day armed with enough information to know he just needed to see that IP address and he would be good to go. He could just simply ask, “So how does all this stuff work.” Because everyone knows Mike, some production guy just shows Mike the basics all the while Mike knows this information already and during this little demo, the guy clicks on the stream tab and BINGO Mike sees the IP address of the server. Think about how simple this would be to pull off and no one would ever realize or suspect anything nefarious about it.

All Mike needs to do now is log on the the Stones wifi and it will be the same network as the stream most likely and enter the URL of the server stream in a media player on his phone and now he has full access to the hole cards in real time and no one has a clue.
This would also explain how no one from Stones was involved as he could have found someone else to watch the stream live for him and feed him information after the phones were removed from the stream.

Just my thoughts
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:33 PM   #6389
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Did not cheat when A was not there doesn't mean must cheat when A is there.

I think something like is covered in a basic LOGIC 101 class.
You really don't have to teach me logic 101, but it is this lawyer's assertion that there is a relation between suboptimal (as in non-cheating) play by Mike Apostle and the absence of John Doe. Thus it is relevant.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:35 PM   #6390
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm just curious because there are a lot of things I don't know specifics of.

1: Does the public know the date of the original investigation by Stones? Any chance it was in November of 2018? Anything happen at all in regards to November of 2018?
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:38 PM   #6391
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24:30 We can see mike phone turn on with a big blue screen as he gets up. Does that all blue screen mean anything with regards to obs, the stream setup, the live feed, or etc....?

Because it clearly isn't a regular homescreen. Could the all blue be the background to the software that shows the hole cards? Anyone zoom in on that blue screen, it almost looks like a line of text towards the top? I need you 2 plus 2 detectives to zoom in and .25 speed that video frame by frame LETS GO. 24:30

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=1461
The original post is post #4642 in this thread. So much footage out there so much more to see... Also know this stream is from July 30th 2018. He was still learning as this was only his 2nd or 3rd time cheating.

Check out berkeys Twtter

https://mobile.twitter.com/berkey11

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:38 PM   #6392
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IANAL. Regarding the John Doe section, can an actual lawyer explain what the sentence "The plaintiffs have... directed a litigation hold letter to such person" means?
(My emphasis)
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:42 PM   #6393
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IANAL. Regarding the John Doe section, can an actual lawyer explain what the sentence "The plaintiffs have... directed a litigation hold letter to such person" means?
(My emphasis)
It means that whoever John Doe 1 is, he or she was sent a letter from Plaintiffs' counsel indicating that they are representing Plaintiffs with respect to this dispute, that they believe in good faith that they have claims against the addressee, and that demand is made that John Doe 1 preserve all of their physical and electronic evidence, records, and files that relate in any way to the dispute. It usually includes a threat that failure to do so can result in court sanctions.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:45 PM   #6394
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Nice demonstration. But for this to work Mike would have had to also be logged on to the same local network the server is on to access the local IP address. The „server“, if the network is setup correctly, should not have access to the internet (and therefore can’t stream to twitch i.e., and also, more importantly, the video feed could not be reached directly from the internet, i.e. Mike’s phone). Let’s hope the network has been monitored, there might be some evidence found there as he, again, would have had to be logged in to their internal wifi.
Agreed except about the part of the gfx machine not having upstream access to the internet - it likely does to support sending the stream out to Twitch, unless they're using a separate media box to serve that role.

That said, the IP address generated by gfx for the stream would be a local IP address, accessible only on the local Stones network. The only way around that would be define a port forwarding rule on Stones's router to forward traffic between that gfx server and specific port and the public IP address of Stones's internet connection.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:57 PM   #6395
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The lawsuit document seems to say Justin (JFK) starting his streaming role at Stones in 2018, but he appears to have been running the show at the first "vlogger's game" in July 2017. This looks like him in Neeme's vlog...

https://youtu.be/umjah0VGdmA?t=382
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:57 PM   #6396
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The new Berkey video. Great job Berkey team.

So damn easy it's literally criminal. I have a new respect for Matt for the work he has done. Very impressive!
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:59 PM   #6397
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Hey Lawdude I really appreciate you breaking all this down 4 guys like me who dont got enuff book learnin to understand whats up

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:59 PM   #6398
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Agreed except about the part of the gfx machine not having upstream access to the internet - it likely does to support sending the stream out to Twitch, unless they're using a separate media box to serve that role.

That said, the IP address generated by gfx for the stream would be a local IP address, accessible only on the local Stones network. The only way around that would be define a port forwarding rule on Stones's router to forward traffic between that gfx server and specific port and the public IP address of Stones's internet connection.
If we're getting really nitty, the server the software is on is getting its IP address from a DHCP server on that segment (or helper address). Or has a configured static IP.

Which would almost certainly be a non-routable on the internet, private address, agreed.

What kills me is, as others have posted, this stuff is being broadcast on WiFi in the casino? Omg. Even encrypted, oy.

Wouldn't take much effort or expense to pull some network cables around. Wow.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:01 PM   #6399
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He mentions the chip moving in here. The mixed game starts with PLO8 which Postle later complains about. The first hand, he sets his chips up in the position he naturally does and then very quickly realizes he needs to move them. I believe it's the second hand where he moves them to the left so they're out of the way of the deep card peel.

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Old 10-08-2019, 08:08 PM   #6400
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Postle, Kuraitis And Stones Subect Of Multimillion Dollar Lawsuit

https://www.pocketfives.com/articles...awsuit-626929/
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