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Old 10-08-2019, 05:22 PM   #6276
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Under State Farm v. Campbell, a $10 million punitive award is unconstitutional here. They said that to get some press. Judges never sanction plaintiffs for this sort of thing, which is why plaintiffs' lawyers do it.
so damages in a case like this are typically capped at actual damages plus fees,

or treble (which they also mention in filing)

Something else?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:28 PM   #6277
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Doug posted the PLO hand where Mike the messiah frantically tries to pan his cards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUd8tlRVcFo

Can someone embed please? This is one of the smoking gun examples imo
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:28 PM   #6278
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Can someone with experience of the RFID/Gfx software tell me: If the holecards aren't scanned properly, and/or there is a persistency error, does the software actually show an error message, or some kind of notification?
I mean, would the software say: "Seat 9: Jd 4s??" as an indication that a producer needs to go and have a word with the dealer, and/or reset the table's software? Similarly, if one card fails to scan, does the software highlight the failure in some way?
(I vaguely recall Berkey saying that you get a green light on the screen when the holecards have been successfully decoded).
There's definitely some kind of indication the cards did not scan. The dealers are wearing a headset and will receive instructions to tell the players to scan their cards correctly if they didn't and are in a hand.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:29 PM   #6279
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Just an observation about this proceeding as a civil suit- despite the gravity of Postle's conduct, the damages are not going to be all that high for each plaintiff.

The actual measure of damages in fraud and conversion actions is out of pocket loss. It's almost impossible to prove that, because you'd have to prove the difference between what you lost when Postle was in God mode and how much you would have won or lost had he played normally.

So instead, what's likely to happen is some sort of disgorgement of profits as a substitute for damages. And you've got a whole bunch of plaintiffs here. So if $250,000 is divided up among these people, you could be looking at people getting between $10,000 and $20,000. It might get trebled under RICO, so you get $750,000 instead. And you might get between one and two times the compensatories as punitives. So the realistic upside of this suit is maybe $1,250,000 against a defendant who perhaps doesn't have that kind of money.

If Postle chooses to mount a defense (which I think is unlikely), the legal fees of all these lawyers is would very easily end up swallowing much of the potential award. If he doesn't, they'll get a default judgment and the chance to go after whatever assets he has, pay their lawyers (if all 4 of those firms listed on the Complaint are billing rather than being there for PR purposes, that could be a significant sum even if it's just for drafting the Complaint and taking it to default judgment), and divide up some small sum of money amongst themselves.

So maybe litigation by press release makes sense in this situation. The real legal throwdown will be if criminal charges are brought.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:30 PM   #6280
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Seeing as the SMFC stream is probably the most suspicious stream we have to work with in regards to who mikes accomplice(s) are, to those of you un aware the SMFC stream is a PLO stream where mike was cheating and was having trouble seeing all 4 cards.

For further explanation see this post from Joey:
https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...52812255891456



I decided to watch some of the stream using Viewsync. Most, if not all of the streams should be running on a 30 minute time delay so I think to get the best out of it, it makes sense to do this.


After doing this for only 30 minutes or so here are my findings so far:
Link:https://viewsync.net/watch?v=mBTJkgd...autoplay=false

The timestamps below refer to the stream on the left side which correlates to the action taking place on the right side and seems to match up perfectly. Use the blue slider in the bottom middle of the stream to find each timestamp on the left stream. Make sure you MUTE the stream on the right side so that the audio isn't messed up.

2:32:35 Mike is seen at the table texting someone, Justin makes joke about mike maybe becoming super aggressive.

2:32:55 Mike seems very frustrated while texting lets out huge sigh.

2:34:10 Justin leaves the booth and at the exact same time (3:04:10) Mike is seen standing up from the table and constantly looking twords the back of the room.

2:36:52 Justin returns to booth, tells Kasey "were good, were good" (maybe this is nothing) then immediately mutes the booth again.

2:39:47 Justin un mutes the booth, and mike sits back down to play at the table (he was standing this entire time see for yourself)

I'm sure there are plenty more "Coincidences" in this stream undiscovered take a look for yourself.
This is genius, good stuff
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:31 PM   #6281
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Coming back to this thread after 24 hrs so possible this has been answered since then, but obvious super-user play aside, I'm coming to view the "RFID wrong hand" claims as the most incriminating piece of evidence in this entire saga. E.g.:
  • The only times there has been a claimed RFID mis-read was when Mike had made some absurd super-user play completely inexplicable given the action / stacks; and
  • It was always to "correct" Mike's holding to something that would make his play somewhat defensible
The natural Q's that I haven't seen laid out yet (unless in last 24 hrs) are:
  1. Just WHO communicated the alleged RFID mis-reads to the commentator booth? (Mike or an accomplice?)
  2. Just WHEN and HOW was it communicated?...This one instance I've watched, the "corrected" 9s8s holding showed up immediately after the hand ended, but the commentators were gushing about how there'd been a reported RFID mis-read before the hand ended and the 9s8s showed on screen...so they had been alerted before the "corrected" graphics appeared, right? By whom? Did Mike or an accomplice approach them and let them know that the hand they were commenting on was showing erroneous hole cards? Because it seems (in the Tweet above) like they commentated the entire hand thinking he had 86o, only to find out 60s before it ended that there was a reported RFID mis-readso did whoever informed them just pop into the booth 60s before the hand ended to alert them?
(Again, sorry if these have been conclusively answered; but they seem like the key to the whole thing.)
Yes the 86o/89ss hand has been talked about extensively, in the past 10 pages or so...including a statement from the guy who makes the software.

It had to have been changed mid hand by the graphics operator. No other explanation. No way for Mike or anyone to alert them to the hand.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:31 PM   #6282
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How can this possibly be in good faith? You have no idea what he reported. You have no idea what his winnings and losses are in other forms of gambling. Maybe he won $250k at poker and lost $300k betting sports.
According to his own text with Veronica he's a tax cheat dating back to the Full Tilt/Ultimate Bet days. And on the podcast with Matusow he claimed that he had won half of what people are speculating or about 125k.

Even if he did lose all the money gambling on sports you still have to report the winnings from poker and the losses from sports betting. Mike is going to get audited so hard. Let the IRS get him like they got Capone. Guy is a ****ing poker cheat and a tax cheat.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:37 PM   #6283
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"Computer expert"? Our pimply-faced IT intern can do it, in fact he has to, routinely.

Dude, just stop. This isn't your thing.
By chance, is the guy that's running your IT Department named JFK?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:39 PM   #6284
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According to his own text with Veronica he's a tax cheat dating back to the Full Tilt/Ultimate Bet days. And on the podcast with Matusow he claimed that he had won half of what people are speculating or about 125k.

Even if he did lose all the money gambling on sports you still have to report the winnings from poker and the losses from sports betting. Mike is going to get audited so hard. Let the IRS get him like they got Capone. Guy is a ****ing poker cheat and a tax cheat.


Apparently Cali has a 5k limit on declaring winnings, so Postle was getting someone else to cash in his chips.

That can easily be verified too with the video recordings from the cage.

He is in deep crap.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:39 PM   #6285
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So much great stuff in that doc.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:40 PM   #6286
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
So it seems they think Mike had just one co-conspirator (almost certainly the person named here), although they leave room for more.

And clearly they are going after Stones for the big payday, blaming the casino for the lack of security, and never taking concerns of cheating seriously. All the while promoting the games to unsuspecting victims, etc., etc.

I can see where JFK would need to lawyer up, since it's going to be a mess now between him and the casino, as my guess is they are going to try blame it all on him, as a rogue employee. Not sure if that's going to work, since he was an employee of he casino, and put in charge of the operation.

I suppose the casino will want to show that JFK did not follow standard procedure, did not alert executives of serious issues being raised, etc., etc. Not sure if any of this is true, but I would assume the casino will try their best now to distance themselves from JFK.

By the way, when do the police show up and start arresting people?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:44 PM   #6287
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I think you get money from the perp and the establishment, they neglected and tried to cover it up.

If they said they invesigated, GC should have been involved long ago.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:44 PM   #6288
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This is genius, good stuff
Thank you, I appreciate it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:45 PM   #6289
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So it seems they think Mike had just one co-conspirator (almost certainly the person named here), although they leave room for more.

And clearly they are going after Stones for the big payday, blaming the casino for the lack of security, and never taking concerns of cheating seriously. All the while promoting the games to unsuspecting victims, etc., etc.

I can see where JFK would need to lawyer up, since it's going to be a mess now between him and the casino, as my guess is they are going to try blame it all on him, as a rogue employee. Not sure if that's going to work, since he was an employee of he casino, and put in charge of the operation.

I suppose the casino will want to show that JFK did not follow standard procedure, did not alert executives of serious issues being raised, etc., etc. Not sure if any of this is true, but I would assume the casino will try their best now to distance themselves from JFK.

By the way, when do the police show up and start arresting people?
Police don't arrest people because a civil lawsuit is filed. Police arrest people when the police believe a person committed a crime.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:45 PM   #6290
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Based on my read, they're not only alleging negligence by JFK, but that he is John Doe 1, feeding Postle, and his his chief accomplice. See #68 on page 14 & #102 on page 23.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:45 PM   #6291
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Now do we think Mike ever admits it before formal charges or a day in court happen? Like do we think he's gonna come forward and try to save face or blame it on his co conspirators? Or will one of them come forward and come clean...

More than likely everyone has lawyered up and is just waiting but you never know..
I think the best way you're going to get Mike is to scare the crap out of his back room accomplice, then offer a deal and get him to roll over on Mike.

However for that you need cops. The Gaming Commission isn't going to put the fear of God in someone. Do we know if the cops are even interested in this case?

I don't know anything about the CGCC - but if they're anything like the rest of California politics - they're utterly corrupt and might have similar motivations to just make this go away as Stones does.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:45 PM   #6292
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Apparently Cali has a 5k limit on declaring winnings, so Postle was getting someone else to cash in his chips.

That can easily be verified too with the video recordings from the cage.

He is in deep crap.
Then I suppose Mike is not alone in having problems with the IRS? If you helped Mike cash out to avoid declaring income, aren't you now involved in a felony?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:46 PM   #6293
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https://youtu.be/nUr3WeFDHZM?t=2118

Hand starts at 00:35:00. The players get it in preflop and then table their hands. Then the graphics update to the correct card.

Yeah this J4 hand is very strange. It's possible Taylor could tell the RFID picked up the wrong card and relayed this to Mike, but why weren't the graphics changed? Unless they never got the card and just assumed it was another J given the villain's line? But also why would Taylor even bother telling the booth the cards were incorrect? It's like he's trying to defend Mike's play instead of just letting him fold the best hand for once.
This situation is similar to the 86o that got changed to 98s, except just one card got changed. Apologies if this has been asked before. It shows that in the stream it is possible to edit the RFID info separately from the live images, and in both these cases, the editing was done exactly at the timestamp at which the stream left into the outside world. What is the logical explanation for why the editing is not done at a timestamp on the stream before this happens, so that noone will notice it? Is it Taylor who monitors the outgoing stream and edits it on the fly?

It is also Taylor who monitors the RFID info as it gets recorded and warns MP when a JJ is read as J4o? Half an hour before the stream leaves the building.

Is Taylor an octopus in disguise?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:47 PM   #6294
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Seeing as the SMFC stream is probably the most suspicious stream we have to work with in regards to who mikes accomplice(s) are, to those of you un aware the SMFC stream is a PLO stream where mike was cheating and was having trouble seeing all 4 cards.

For further explanation see this post from Joey:
https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...52812255891456



I decided to watch some of the stream using Viewsync. Most, if not all of the streams should be running on a 30 minute time delay so I think to get the best out of it, it makes sense to do this.


After doing this for only 30 minutes or so here are my findings so far:
Link:https://viewsync.net/watch?v=mBTJkgd...autoplay=false

The timestamps below refer to the stream on the left side which correlates to the action taking place on the right side and seems to match up perfectly. Use the blue slider in the bottom middle of the stream to find each timestamp on the left stream. Make sure you MUTE the stream on the right side so that the audio isn't messed up.

2:32:35 Mike is seen at the table texting someone, Justin makes joke about mike maybe becoming super aggressive.

2:32:55 Mike seems very frustrated while texting lets out huge sigh.

2:34:10 Justin leaves the booth and at the exact same time (3:04:10) Mike is seen standing up from the table and constantly looking twords the back of the room.

2:36:52 Justin returns to booth, tells Kasey "were good, were good" (maybe this is nothing) then immediately mutes the booth again.

2:39:47 Justin un mutes the booth, and mike sits back down to play at the table (he was standing this entire time see for yourself)

I'm sure there are plenty more "Coincidences" in this stream undiscovered take a look for yourself.
Great stuff - JOEY add this into your next investigation video!
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:49 PM   #6295
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Police don't arrest people because a civil lawsuit is filed. Police arrest people when the police believe a person committed a crime.
I understand that. My question wasn't so much in light of this civil suit. It was more in light of the investigation here and other places on-line over the past 4-5 days, and now making it's way into the mainstream press, with very compelling evidence that crimes have likely taken place. Major crimes, involving the theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And because some of that evidence is likely on servers and laptops within the casino, wouldn't the police want to take possession of that as evidence?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:49 PM   #6296
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Then I suppose Mike is not alone in having problems with the IRS? If you helped Mike cash out to avoid declaring income, aren't you now involved in a felony?
I am sure the IRS will be involved now at least. In this situation, doesn't the IRS get their cut of any back taxes and penalties(If anything is owed to them), before any lawsuit money is paid out?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:49 PM   #6297
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Great stuff - JOEY add this into your next investigation video!
Id appreciate it if somebody could get this to Joey.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:51 PM   #6298
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My whole family are lawyers, friends with lawyers, work with lawyers, etc...

The way they talk is fascinating. Constantly asking questions they already know the answers to, arguing for arguing sake, using the most words possible to say whatever point they're tying to make, humblebrags about cases...always intrigued me.
Yeah, lawyers all think they are hot **** but there isn't a lawyer alive that could hold a candle to Joe Jamail.



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My sister and her husband are lawyers, and they are nothing like this. whats your point?
So, they're more like Joe Jamail? You should put Mike Postle into contact with them because he's gonna need someone really really good.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:54 PM   #6299
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Apparently Cali has a 5k limit on declaring winnings, so Postle was getting someone else to cash in his chips.

That can easily be verified too with the video recordings from the cage.

He is in deep crap.
I don't get this. What do you mean by 5k limit on declaring winnings? Do you mean that in California; 5k is the threshold for declaring gambling winnings? If you win 4k you don't have to declare it as income and at 5k and above you do? If so, why would such a threshold mean "Postle was getting someone else to cash in his chips?" I can give my wife all my chips to cash in while I go to the bathroom. So what? Having someone else cash my chips doesn't mean I haven't declared my income from gambling.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:54 PM   #6300
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Dump RFID and fo back to cameras.
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