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Old 10-08-2019, 04:08 PM   #6226
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Everything this guy is saying wrt IT is true.


Formatting a HDD doesn't mean the data is gone. Really all this does is remove the pointers to the data -- the data is still there, but it isn't overwritten unless necessary.


Source: Am an IT manager.
format /p:1 will zero out all data on the drive.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:09 PM   #6227
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I understand a little bit better now about the software. So then a few things are possible. One possibility is that his own hand is even misread and he doesn't even have 10s there right? Otherwise who would fold 10s on a 7 high board? I think the most likely scenario is maybe he folds because he thinks he might be winning too much and makes a donk laydown although it's very weird and ends up being the right play. Very weird issue on that hand. Maybe he didn't even have 10s, it messed up other cards as well, who knows.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:09 PM   #6228
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I played my first hand of live poker in one of the rooms Stones management took over. There are lots of people still there; dealers and floor people.

I always thought that was cool of Stones.

In addition, Stones has picked up Sacramento poker room vets from other places over time.

Only saying these things because I believe if there's a fault with management, it would be lack of proper oversight over people in position to pull shenanigans.

None of this matters except when I see ITT statements about "what Stones did" I change that in my mind to "what JFK did". I just can't believe the same management that's been so cool for so long, would condone this situation.

F for what was a truly fine poker room
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:10 PM   #6229
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5g8wDCPH9Y

Dont know if this has already been posted,watch the poker analyser video
you can also have the camera in a keyfob instead of a phone,
Thats a version from a few years ago,theres more sophisticated versions around now,
The version on the video was the one used at the alea glasgow.whoever had access to the cards were able to mark them with the barcodes.

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Old 10-08-2019, 04:10 PM   #6230
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I can't summon enough strength to continue against lawdude and his straw man arguments, but I can cut you down to size Mr. IT Manager.

Nobody said "format". I said "wipe". Wipe as in start at sector 0 and write crap until you get to the end of the disk. That is why is takes a long time, potentially hours. We use DBAN here. Capisci? We good now? On the same page?

Source: Am the guy who actually went to engineering school so I DIDN'T END UP A F---ING IT MANAGER.
The question isn't whether or not it's possible, the question is if it's likely.

Do you work in an enterprise environment?

How likely do you think this is to happen in an enterprise environment without several people/potentially a whole department noticing?

This would take the cooperation of a half dozen people.

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Old 10-08-2019, 04:11 PM   #6231
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Just quoting for the epicness of this post. Taylor was at least 1 of the inside men, no doubt. Seems a lot of info is missed. Go to post 6114 for anyone who hasn't seen/digested the info within it.

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Over 60 pages in and the fact that not more than a handful of people have figured out that Taylor Smith is Mike's inside man here, is a bit mind boggling to me. I think a lot of evidence against Taylor Smith is lost by the numerous posts in this thread. This is why I'm going to try to gather the bits and pieces that have been mentioned in this thread that point in the direction of Taylor



It was Taylor Smith. Case closed.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:11 PM   #6232
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My belief is that misread RFIDs happened enough that Postle deduced it must have happened in this hand, since he didn't believe Joe would be defending by cold calling a 3bet with J4os. He figured one of the cards was wrong, JJ and 44 were both possible hands, and folded. In the next 30 minutes someone verified with Joe what his hand was and found out it was JJ. Has anyone who watched this stream paid any attention to Joe and if he ever plays along with super awful cards out of position?

I also theorize part of the mystique of sitting in seat 2 is it has positional advantage on the two players next to the dealer most likely to have bad scans.
That's not how tech and RFID works tho.
It's science. It works or its broken. It does not make mistakes.
A 4d can't suddenly become a Jh.

if the 4d was the Jh, then it is so for the next and the next and the next. It can only be the Jh if someone stupid enough would insert the Jh as a 4d in the system.

My take is , they use this rfid system to sugar coat Mike's play.
And with this the cards get's messed up during play. So mike probably made a move with a 4dX hand and it was changed to the Jh to cover it up. Now Mike know's the 4d = Jh. Because they just changed it for him
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:11 PM   #6233
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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My belief is that misread RFIDs happened enough that Postle deduced it must have happened in this hand, since he didn't believe Joe would be defending by cold calling a 3bet with J4os. He figured one of the cards was wrong, JJ and 44 were both possible hands, and folded. In the next 30 minutes someone verified with Joe what his hand was and found out it was JJ. Has anyone who watched this stream paid any attention to Joe and if he ever plays along with super awful cards out of position?

I also theorize part of the mystique of sitting in seat 2 is it has positional advantage on the two players next to the dealer most likely to have bad scans.
That's a good point. Also seat 2 is kind of a corner seat, so he can have a better view of his phone without the 2 players next to him seeing what he's always looking at.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:13 PM   #6234
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Exactly, So I think what's happening is this guy is swapping cards with other cards to cover up Mike's plays. So recently perhaps Mike was bluffing with J4o and he changed that 4 to a J to make it seem like Mike was just value betting a legitimate hand, JJ

You have to swap them, otherwise the next hand it can lead to trouble in the reading overlay as a card and be scanned only once
I don't think it's that easy to reassign.

Each card in a new deck must be initialized before it can be used. To initialize a new
deck of cards:
• Ensure that there are no playing cards on the playing surface.
• Locate the ‘Register Deck’ button and click it.
• Follow the on-screen instructions by placing each card in the deck on a muck
antenna, one at a time.
• The process is complete when all 52 cards have been scanned.
➢ This procedure only needs to be completed once for each new deck. Once
complete, the configuration is stored permanently on the Server. This means
that you never need to carry out the procedure again, unless re-installing
PokerGFX Server on another computer.
➢ An unlimited number of decks can be registered at the same time, and cards
from any deck can be used interchangeably in a game at any time.
➢ Deck registration can also be performed using Action Tracker (this just means you run the registration from the graphics computer instead of the server, but it still requires physically putting the cards over the muck antenna)
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:14 PM   #6235
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Where are all the Stones regular players? And all the players from the live stream table?

Why not speaking up here? Give some insights...how is the mood in the Casino? Is Justin working? And Taylor? What are the rumours?
As the magnitude and increasing certainty of cheating has been exposed over the last week I would imagine all parties implicated have been advised by their legal representatives to refrain from making any further comment publicly. This information vacuum is frustrating but unsurprising and could last a while yet.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:14 PM   #6236
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I don't think it's that easy to reassign.

Each card in a new deck must be initialized before it can be used. To initialize a new
deck of cards:
• Ensure that there are no playing cards on the playing surface.
• Locate the ‘Register Deck’ button and click it.
• Follow the on-screen instructions by placing each card in the deck on a muck
antenna, one at a time.
• The process is complete when all 52 cards have been scanned.
➢ This procedure only needs to be completed once for each new deck. Once
complete, the configuration is stored permanently on the Server. This means
that you never need to carry out the procedure again, unless re-installing
PokerGFX Server on another computer.
➢ An unlimited number of decks can be registered at the same time, and cards
from any deck can be used interchangeably in a game at any time.
➢ Deck registration can also be performed using Action Tracker (this just means you run the registration from the graphics computer instead of the server, but it still requires physically putting the cards over the muck antenna)
Can't you just do that in the graphics department ?
You can swap the image for 4d to the image of Jh

Heck I can swap the images in my pokerstars client to deal me AA all te time
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:17 PM   #6237
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Can't you just do that in the graphics department ?
You can swap the image for 4d to the image of Jh

Heck I can swap the images in my pokerstars client to deal me AA all te time
I'm sure you could probably do that, but how would you know you want to switch X card for Y card before anything is even dealt?
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:18 PM   #6238
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This guy is going to prove Mike guilty without addressing a single hand!

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Old 10-08-2019, 04:20 PM   #6239
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:23 PM   #6240
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At this point even if Justin isn't guilty of anything legal. Anyway he keeps his job for being so grossly incompetent?

Has he been back to work yet since any of these new investigations have started? Wish I was closer would love to walk around that room. If they keep him on board it should kill the whole place. Not sure I could ever play there again
Someone mentioned he said he'd quit his job if there was any cheating going on at Stones Live.

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I understand a little bit better now about the software. So then a few things are possible. One possibility is that his own hand is even misread and he doesn't even have 10s there right? Otherwise who would fold 10s on a 7 high board? I think the most likely scenario is maybe he folds because he thinks he might be winning too much and makes a donk laydown although it's very weird and ends up being the right play. Very weird issue on that hand. Maybe he didn't even have 10s, it messed up other cards as well, who knows.
I think we just have to assume that the cards are right when they aren't fixed, otherwise it just throws every hand out of the window.


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5g8wDCPH9Y

Dont know if this has already been posted,watch the poker analyser video
you can also have the camera in a keyfob instead of a phone,
Thats a version from a few years ago,theres more sophisticated versions around now,
The version on the video was the one used at the alea glasgow.whoever had access to the cards were able to mark them with the barcodes.
this theory has circulated the thread and is mentioned as a possibility by Joey and Matt Berkey. But it is inconclusive and hand histories show he likely didn't know future cards. Right now, most people think it is unlikely, and some think Mike was using a mixed strategy, sometimes using, sometimes not, as his techniques evolved. mike is also shown wearing a weird black bracelet that is similar to ones used in videos displaying this technology

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Just quoting for the epicness of this post. Taylor was at least 1 of the inside men, no doubt. Seems a lot of info is missed. Go to post 6114 for anyone who hasn't seen/digested the info within it.
this post was not epic, guys a cocky pos. we've known taylor is a likely accomplice since 6 days ago, Oct 6 when Ryan Feldman posted his initial tweet.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:24 PM   #6241
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Hi, is there someone who would not mind giving some brief cliffs on the latest development since page 40 (after Postle going on Matusow's podcast)?

I would very much like to be up to date on this topic but I am constantly about 2 days behind since the start -reading every single post- and it seems impossible for me to catch up.

Thank you
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:27 PM   #6242
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I'm sure you could probably do that, but how would you know you want to switch X card for Y card before anything is even dealt?
Yeah that's not happening
What happend in the 86o hand was they changed the hand at the end of the hand.

Let's say they are shady right. What happens is Mike did have 8d6c
They changed the images 8d->8s and 6c->9s
These cards are now swapped in the system.
Whoever get's dealt the 6c will then be shown on steam to be the 9s, which it isn't. This is true until the cards are swapped back.

I think you have to time this with the graphics department because it will show, like it did with the 86o hand.

So with the J4o and I think what happend was a J was changed , for some reason, for a 4, and was not changed back yet. So the guy has JJ but one show's as a 4 and Mike was in the know.

Plus he know someone is covering hands up for him so he assumes its JJ not J4o. he's the guy playing J4o not the other players lol
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:28 PM   #6243
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This guy is going to prove Mike guilty without addressing a single hand!

reposting to show the video correctly. just started watching and its from a guy who plays at stones.

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Old 10-08-2019, 04:28 PM   #6244
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Lol. Now that’s next level.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:29 PM   #6245
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It can't be shown in the stream, but can it be read again on the software? Like updated in real time? It has to be... Why else would he fold there? He has to have the information that it's actually JJ. There is no way to get that information unless its correcting itself in the preview window. The graphics will stay incorrect until changed by the user, but the preview window should show all correct cards if they are placed over the reader for the entire hand... How else would they EVER know that the graphics get messed up??
Ya, I can't make sense of the hand if that explanation is true, that it "cannot be read again until the next hand". How would he know if it was JJ?

They would also have to ask the player to know every time there was an error. And as I posted earlier, the only explanations for the fold would then be that A) they have their own RFID software, or B) he knows the runouts. Like guy actually has J4, 4 on the turn.

And both of those make the scam much more complex.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:37 PM   #6246
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:40 PM   #6247
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edit: damn it , it even rhymes
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:46 PM   #6248
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Following video implicates Justin "JFK" as an accomplice in Postle's cheating allegation. The video clip occurs 5 minutes after Postle's infamous hand where he loses the minimum in boat over boat situation (https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1244). Commentators amazed at Postle's play, continue to discuss the hand until JFK interjects and informs them that Postle's hand was incorrectly displayed - "he had 78 for two pairs":

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1508

In YouTube chat replay, you can also see a user named "JFK" with moderator privilege explain Mike's play:

Russ McGinley: ​How do you just call?
Jimmy Broughton: ​what? Nobody went all in? Wow.
Lord Chinchilla: ​hello mis amigos!!! happy Wednesday.
JFK: ​Mike didn't have 88, he had 78
Fattrain: ​Ohhhh makes sense
JFK: ​He is good but he is not that good

Finally, as far as I can tell from the video, Mike Postle appears to be in his seat for at least 30 more minutes after the hand is completed. And during these 30 minutes, it does not appear that Mike has any personal communication with anyone beside the players at the table.
I think that this hand actually helps to clear JFK. Unlike the other 86 hand, where Taylor is able to correct the error in real-time, JFK corrects the error after the fact, and only after talking to Postle.

The hand in question ends at 21:40 where it looks super odd that Mike just calls with 88 against TT on a 99T8x board. The commentators are befuddled and then at 25:00 JFK posts that he actually had 87. If you watch the live feed 30 minutes later, you see right around 54:30 that someone talks to Mike for about 20 seconds and then walks back behind the wall right before 55:00. This is almost certainly JFK as the time lines up with the 30 minute delay for his post correcting Mike's hand.

Thus, unlike Taylor, JFK does not appear to be seeing any additional data that would allow him to correct the misread cards in real-time, but rather relies on Postle to tell him he didn't have 88.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:50 PM   #6249
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Okay so I've done some analysis on the hats. I've identified 11 unique hats, but its possible there are more. Some have pointed out that two hats have looked similar but are actually slightly different. It's a lot of different hats.

This one is not nearly as clear as the phone, and I'm starting to doubt he used a headset at all, and its likely all the head rubbing and pressing is just a distraction to give Postle cover to look in his lap.

The only hat that is remotely suspicious is the hat labeled on the spreadsheet as "pure white." He wore this hat 21 times and won an average of $4,765. He also wears this hat more often after a period of not cheating in July as noted by others in the thread. In his most recent 3 sessions, he wore it 6 times. So if there is anything going on with that hats, I would guess it's the pure white one. So anyone who wants to go deeper into the hat conspiracy, I would suggest you watch videos where he is wearing that hat, especially in the 6 most recent sessions.

There's no hat that he did badly with, however the grey and red hat was not as good as the other hats, he only won $1,283 while wearing that hat.

Thanks on the work with the predictive power. The thing with the hats is that the boneconducting apparatus can be interchanged into any hat. It was always more about the stuffing look then one specific hat. But the keys are basically ruled out now due to your analysis.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:51 PM   #6250
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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
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