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Old 10-08-2019, 01:15 PM   #6151
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https://youtu.be/nUr3WeFDHZM?t=2118

Hand starts at 00:35:00. The players get it in preflop and then table their hands. Then the graphics update to the correct card.

Yeah this J4 hand is very strange. It's possible Taylor could tell the RFID picked up the wrong card and relayed this to Mike, but why weren't the graphics changed? Unless they never got the card and just assumed it was another J given the villain's line? But also why would Taylor even bother telling the booth the cards were incorrect? It's like he's trying to defend Mike's play instead of just letting him fold the best hand for once.
Thanks for this.

Harlan has AsKs but it shows Ks9s, graphics update as soon has the hands are turned over.

Bot lady doesn't even realize the hand changed and the booth doesn't say anything to the commentators.

Harlan has Kc9h in the prev hand, but it incorrectly shows Ks9s in the next hand. That's actually pretty weird. We know a common bug with misread hands is that it can read prev hand as current hand, but Kc9h is not Ks9s...

I would be interested to see Matt Berkey or Ryan Feldman's take on this.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:17 PM   #6152
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Hey guys found something, freezeframe 15:21 on joeys newvideo to find YET ANOTHER unique keyfob. This is the fourth different keyfob I’ve observed in the past 10 months. How often do y’all get new keyfobs? Surely not four times a year
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:17 PM   #6153
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As I said before, still not sure what is the logic that Taylor alerting the commentators to info that shows Mike is cheating makes it more likely he is in on it? If he doesn't say anything, everyone still thinks Mike folded to a hand that he's a big favourite against - ie; not cheating.

The J4o/JJ is a genuine error in the graphics I'm pretty sure. The J4o reading doesn't change from the start of the hand to the end. This is not the case with the 68o/89s (where Taylor also tells the comms the 'graphics are wrong')
J4 player is also seated in seat 9 which, along with seat 1, have to be the most common seats for misreads with the muck and deck so close and with the dealer passing over the reader to send cards to seats 8 and 2.

Also could be a reason Postle chooses seat 2 so much. If seat 1's reader picks up one of his cards, he'll obviously know it and his hand shouldn't read. Seat 2 also has the best position against seats 8,9, and 1 which are the likeliest seats to be affected by a misread and therefore require Postle to maybe have to play real poker.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:19 PM   #6154
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Heres a decision tree i made for the J4 hand. Of course the other explanation is that Mike Postle is actually a GOD.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:24 PM   #6155
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The most logical defense would be "I was nervous so playing with my cards" or something, but that then begs the question "why didn't you do that any other time you were nervous?".
Interesting that someone with so much experience would get nervous. I love JFK's take back in 2017. Postle shows no tell, no smirk, no smile, no shift in body movement. Oh how times have changed!

https://youtu.be/U5cgXtVRLR4?t=3878


On an unrelated note, does anyone know what Mike Postle is referring to when he says he won his first bracelet? Is he a valor thief, claiming to win a bracelet he didn't win? Or could he just be referring to a small non-WSOP tournament that awarded a bracelet?

https://youtu.be/U5cgXtVRLR4?t=3844

When someone says they won their first bracelet with that hand, I automatically assume they are talking about WSOP bracelets and they must have multiple WSOP bracelets. Mike Postle only has 1 cash over $50k. It was a $118k first place finish in the $1,500 No Limit Hold'em tournament at the 2007 Gold Strike World Poker Open in Tunica.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:29 PM   #6156
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Thanks for this.

Harlan has AsKs but it shows Ks9s, graphics update as soon has the hands are turned over.

Bot lady doesn't even realize the hand changed and the booth doesn't say anything to the commentators.

Harlan has Kc9h in the prev hand, but it incorrectly shows Ks9s in the next hand. That's actually pretty weird. We know a common bug with misread hands is that it can read prev hand as current hand, but Kc9h is not Ks9s...

I would be interested to see Matt Berkey or Ryan Feldman's take on this.
Yeah I originally thought the most likely scenario was the RFID picked up one of Postle's cards by accident (Postle in seat 2, Harlan in seat 1). Postle folds quickly and the graphics never display his hand. I guess the question I would have for someone more knowledgable about RFID is after Postle folds the 9s, would the RFID be able to pick up Harlan's cards again or is the 9s locked into his graphic. Cause he keeps both his cards over the scanner throughout the hand and nothing happens.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:31 PM   #6157
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The 'graphics are wrong' is just not so simple and not how the technology works as explained by experts in the industry. And I can't think of a good explanation for 86o/98ss other than he is in on it.
First sentence; I'm aware of the system, but there's quite a few examples of the graphics 100% being wrong, with numouress players throughout the streams. Sometimes they are updated, sometimes not. All I've seen is a lag from someone's cards from the last hand (in the J4o hand, someone has JJ previous hand).

Second sentence; this is the one hand so far which IS different, and can't be explained like this. No one has 98s in previous hand, and the graphics get changed at the last possible moment. His hand is 100% not shown, and having watched the next 30 mins of the stream I didn't see a point where it looks like he was telling anyone he had 98s (unlike the 88 vs TT hand)

Both involved Taylor, but one where he is literally highlighting MP's godmode.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:37 PM   #6158
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Not sure if it’s known already or not, or even helps at all, but I believe Taylor goes by TheVocalTerror or VocalTerror in the twitch chat and twitter.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:40 PM   #6159
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From the infamous 86o graphics error session, here are the 8d and 6s being correctly ID'd on the board about 45 minutes before that hand:

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Old 10-08-2019, 01:40 PM   #6160
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First sentence; I'm aware of the system, but there's quite a few examples of the graphics 100% being wrong, with numouress players throughout the streams. Sometimes they are updated, sometimes not. All I've seen is a lag from someone's cards from the last hand (in the J4o hand, someone has JJ previous hand).

Second sentence; this is the one hand so far which IS different, and can't be explained like this. No one has 98s in previous hand, and the graphics get changed at the last possible moment. His hand is 100% not shown, and having watched the next 30 mins of the stream I didn't see a point where it looks like he was telling anyone he had 98s (unlike the 88 vs TT hand)

Both involved Taylor, but one where he is literally highlighting MP's godmode.
Difference here is that they can collude and change Mike's hand to whatever they want/he can say what he wants in the 98 - but that particular change makes no sense. Taylor HAS to be honest about the JJ hand because the other player can be asked about it so he may as well get it out there. Why Postle chose to Godmode this particular hand and fold TT on the flop is beyond me(well not really, he's greedy and probably believed he'd never get caught).
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:43 PM   #6161
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Yeah I originally thought the most likely scenario was the RFID picked up one of Postle's cards by accident (Postle in seat 2, Harlan in seat 1). Postle folds quickly and the graphics never display his hand. I guess the question I would have for someone more knowledgable about RFID is after Postle folds the 9s, would the RFID be able to pick up Harlan's cards again or is the 9s locked into his graphic. Cause he keeps both his cards over the scanner throughout the hand and nothing happens.
Thats a hypothetical question right? bc Postles cards never show. I dont think it could pick up someone elses cards so easily but yea, id be interested to know as well. It is interesting that he had K9 in the prev hand but in diff suits.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:52 PM   #6162
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Yeah I originally thought the most likely scenario was the RFID picked up one of Postle's cards by accident (Postle in seat 2, Harlan in seat 1). Postle folds quickly and the graphics never display his hand. I guess the question I would have for someone more knowledgable about RFID is after Postle folds the 9s, would the RFID be able to pick up Harlan's cards again or is the 9s locked into his graphic. Cause he keeps both his cards over the scanner throughout the hand and nothing happens.
Once a card gets read, it can't get read again until the tech starts a brand new hand in the software. So what likely happened is the 9s passed over Harlan's reader on its way to Postle and got read first as part of his hand. Harlan's 3rd card (the ace) never gets read and Postle's hand never gets read because one of the cards is not valid.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:53 PM   #6163
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Hello everyone this is my first post here and here is my take on all this

LANCE HUDSPETH is most probably the KEY PERSON and main accomplice in this case and no one is pointing at him seriously
i tried to contact Joey and doug with no success

he is a Dealer / producer / broadcaster/ rfid responsible at stones !

Look at this video at 1:12:00 this guy LANCE HUDSPETH comes and sits and talks with MIKE !he is supposed to be the broadcaster!! and he talks to one of the players???

https://youtu.be/2pjkPCeckuk

THIS IS LANCE JOB DESCRIPTION IN LINKEDIN : I am responsible for running the streams and insuring all gaming compliance's are meet. Making sure all the back of the house equipment is working properly. I design all the graphics used for out stream.

this is his linkedin profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth

and This is him on the team of stones https://youtu.be/CswNmIQvI0o?t=25959
Nonsense. Taylor's job description is similar and many staff and players are friendly with each other. Nothing in this points to Lance specifically.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:55 PM   #6164
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Following video implicates Justin "JFK" as an accomplice in Postle's cheating allegation. The video clip occurs 5 minutes after Postle's infamous hand where he loses the minimum in boat over boat situation (https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1244). Commentators amazed at Postle's play, continue to discuss the hand until JFK interjects and informs them that Postle's hand was incorrectly displayed - "he had 78 for two pairs":

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1508

In YouTube chat replay, you can also see a user named "JFK" with moderator privilege explain Mike's play:

Russ McGinley: ​How do you just call?
Jimmy Broughton: ​what? Nobody went all in? Wow.
Lord Chinchilla: ​hello mis amigos!!! happy Wednesday.
JFK: ​Mike didn't have 88, he had 78
Fattrain: ​Ohhhh makes sense
JFK: ​He is good but he is not that good

Finally, as far as I can tell from the video, Mike Postle appears to be in his seat for at least 30 more minutes after the hand is completed. And during these 30 minutes, it does not appear that Mike has any personal communication with anyone beside the players at the table.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:55 PM   #6165
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I don't Mike is tapping into the live stream through his phone directly. I think someone else is sending him info via a second computer/laptop with a copy of the RFID software.
I like this theory, and as I said it requires a second license key. If the company sold Stones or someone affiliated with them a second dongle it would be the smoking gun.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:56 PM   #6166
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For my work I've had to transcribe hundreds of hands from human written notes into PokerTracker readable HHs. I can tell you that it's extremely tedious and time consuming.

I even wrote a python script to streamline the process and cut down the time by a factor of 5, and it still takes FOREVER.

I can't even imagine having to do it for thousands of hands.
Was it 'The Life of Mike'?

He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:57 PM   #6167
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Taylor HAS to be honest about the JJ hand because the other player can be asked about it so he may as well get it out there.
Yes, that's certainly possible I suppose, but having seen a lot of the graphic errors and them corresponding to a holding in the previous hand, I'd give that far more consideration if it wasn't the same case here. This also adds far more weight to the 89s being inexplicable too btw.

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Finally, as far as I can tell from the video, Mike Postle appears to be in his seat for at least 30 more minutes after the hand is completed. And during these 30 minutes, it does not appear that Mike has any personal communication with anyone beside the players at the table.
yes, have to say i don't think i went back and checked that one myself, but I know someone posted about it many pages ago who had studied it and said there was a chat between them. Should probably go back and check. Also to see if there was a TT in the previous hand.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:02 PM   #6168
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For my work I've had to transcribe hundreds of hands from human written notes into PokerTracker readable HHs. I can tell you that it's extremely tedious and time consuming.

I even wrote a python script to streamline the process and cut down the time by a factor of 5, and it still takes FOREVER.

I can't even imagine having to do it for thousands of hands.
Is this python script on github?
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:02 PM   #6169
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There's a few issues with this (please see my post above #6025). Here's the main one though - J4o is shown as the hole cards right from the start of the hand. They do not change (unlike the 68o into 89s). How would the accomplice know to change them right from the start of the hand (even if that was possible).

Also ask; Why does Taylor voluntarily offer up information to comms at the end of the hand that MP has made an even more ridiculous fold?
+1

How does the accomplice know at the start of the hand that Mike will Mike an inexplicable fold, and the opponent needs to have J4 instead of JJ?

I'm aware of how much more complex the scam would have to be, but this is one instance that actually makes me think there were times when he knew the runouts.

What if the turn was a 4? Or a J? Or a board pair that makes a fold even more ridiculous, after the guy behind him has folded AK, and they're heads up.

The other hand that made it seem like he knew runouts was when he got all-in with a T hi flush draw against a bigger flush draw. He had I think T6cc, and there was a 7 and a 9 on the flop, with 2 clubs. Opponent had I think K4cc. They get all-in on the flop, run it twice, and a red 8 comes on both turns, no club on either river.

I mean, if that was the one time he decided to give some back, and he happened to hit 2 red 8s and dodge the flush, maybe we can't rule out God theory.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:03 PM   #6170
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Good post, Broeder Tuck.

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Regarding the not cheating when Justin's not around: Someone actually pointed out to me a more reasonable explanation. If a colleague/boss goes away on vacation, others have to take over their job functions. This could've been the case for Taylor, that he had to take over a bunch of Justin's work and because of that, he wasn't able to do the graphics for that period of time.
I'm p sure Jenna White took over Justin's responsibilities when he was on vacation, not Taylor.


In one of the streams where Justin is away, you can see her walking out from behind the curtain where Justin's desk is.



I think it's unknown the extent of Justin's involvement, but some ppl with more information that can't be disclosed (Joey and Veronica) have indicated a few times Justin was pretty heavily involved. Idk my only defense to Justin is what happened in March. Multiple commentators expressed their concerns of Mike's cheating to Justin, and he dismissed them and Mike kept on cheating. You'd think Justin would tell Mike to tone it down a little and maybe lose a session or 2. But maybe they just felt they were invincible at this point and Justin's pretty low IQ, so it's tough to rationalize his decisions.

Irt Taylor, I still agree his is the most likely culprit, probably more so than ever now. We have recently confirmed he was working on 7/18/18 when the cheating started and have another example (J4) of him relaying hole cards to the booth. However, the correlation of him commentating with Mike not superusing is not enought evidence on its own. It's very possible him commentating triggered a chain of events with employees doing different jobs and affecting their ability to cheat. There's a couple other members of the production/technician team that would have the ability to cheat who we know nothing about. The reason Taylor has been investigated so closely is that we have information on him and see his face. What if the real cheater just kept a super low profile, as a good cheater should, and is completely off of our radar?
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:04 PM   #6171
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Once a card gets read, it can't get read again until the tech starts a brand new hand in the software. So what likely happened is the 9s passed over Harlan's reader on its way to Postle and got read first as part of his hand. Harlan's 3rd card (the ace) never gets read and Postle's hand never gets read because one of the cards is not valid.
Just want to add, we don't know Postle had 9s since he folded pre and his cards never show. So this is just a theory. It makes sense but it seems hard to get someone elses card scanned as yours.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:05 PM   #6172
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Following video implicates Justin "JFK" as an accomplice in Postle's cheating allegation. The video clip occurs 5 minutes after Postle's infamous hand where he loses the minimum in boat over boat situation (https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1244). Commentators amazed at Postle's play, continue to discuss the hand until JFK interjects and informs them that Postle's hand was incorrectly displayed - "he had 78 for two pairs":

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1508

In YouTube chat replay, you can also see a user named "JFK" with moderator privilege explain Mike's play:

Russ McGinley: ​How do you just call?
Jimmy Broughton: ​what? Nobody went all in? Wow.
Lord Chinchilla: ​hello mis amigos!!! happy Wednesday.
JFK: ​Mike didn't have 88, he had 78
Fattrain: ​Ohhhh makes sense
JFK: ​He is good but he is not that good

Finally, as far as I can tell from the video, Mike Postle appears to be in his seat for at least 30 more minutes after the hand is completed. And during these 30 minutes, it does not appear that Mike has any personal communication with anyone beside the players at the table.
This guy is shady for sure
he's responsible for this game and he let this run under his nose for 18 months ? yeah right
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:07 PM   #6173
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The key piece of information for the most recent debates is whether the guy who had J4/JJ can come here and tell us what his hand actually was (if he remembers).

If his hand actually was JJ, then this would suggest that either:

(1) There is some mechanism which actually does allow Taylor to see "corrections" during the hand, contrary to what the software guy suggested, which makes it less of a slam-dunk that Taylor was lying to cover for Mike in the 86/98 hand; OR [This is the only option that would allow Taylor to definitively inform Mike to fold his hand in real time].

(2) Taylor cannot see corrections during the live hand, but found out the player had JJ within the delay between the live feed and the commentary, and then told the commentary booth [Mike's fold is unexplained under this scenario] ; OR

(3) Taylor and Mike both deduced that the only hand the player would have, based on the action, assuming he had Jx, was JJ. [This explains Mike's fold but it seems incredible to me that, given everything else we know, he would be able to feel certain villain has exactly JJ].


So I think we need clarification on two key points:

What was JJ/J4 guy actually holding???

And is the software guy correct to suggest that it is -impossible- for the real time tech feed to present two different holdings option during a misread scenario?
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:08 PM   #6174
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Irt Taylor, I still agree his is the most likely culprit, probably more so than ever now. We have recently confirmed he was working on 7/18/18 when the cheating started and have another example (J4) of him relaying hole cards to the booth. However, the correlation of him commentating with Mike not superusing is not enought evidence on its own. It's very possible him commentating triggered a chain of events with employees doing different jobs and affecting their ability to cheat. There's a couple other members of the production/technician team that would have the ability to cheat who we know nothing about. The reason Taylor has been investigated so closely is that we have information on him and see his face. What if the real cheater just kept a super low profile, as a good cheater should, and is completely off of our radar?
how do you know the J4 hand was Taylor?
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:09 PM   #6175
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This guy is shady for sure
he's responsible for this game and he let this run under his nose for 18 months ? yeah right
And forcibly shut down any allegations of cheating, going as far as calling them "complete fabrications". This wasn't a guy that was ensuring the integrity of a game, it was a guy ensuring that his buddy would be able to continue his con

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