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Old 10-08-2019, 12:31 PM   #6126
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Over 60 pages in and the fact that not more than a handful of people have figured out that Taylor Smith is Mike's inside man here, is a bit mind boggling to me. I think a lot of evidence against Taylor Smith is lost by the numerous posts in this thread. This is why I'm going to try to gather the bits and pieces that have been mentioned in this thread that point in the direction of Taylor....

Please note, another session where Mike is superusing and who's doing the graphics? That's right, our boy Taylor. I have yet to see a stream where Mike's cheating and the commentators communicate with someone else than Taylor in the producer booth.
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Exactly, only when Taylor is in the producer's booth, Mike cheats. If Taylor is doing commentary or being the floorman or something else, Mike magically stops cheating.
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It was Taylor Smith. Case closed.
This is a tour de force of a post. Fantastic work.

You've made the best case yet that Justin may be innocent. Of course that raises other questions about competence. I hadn't thought that maybe Justin just didn't bother with any investigation. And not because he's guilty, but because he's a Mike fanboy.

But it seems to me we need to do one thing now to try to disprove your theory: Find examples of Mike in God mode when Taylor is doing commentary or Taylor is the floor man. Do any exist? Can we find one, just one?

If we can't find one example, you have made a very, very compelling case.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:34 PM   #6127
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Missed that post of yours! Would agree - although not sure what an entire blue screen could be outside of a lockscreen, but so far it hasn't come up anywhere else.
It might be Chrome Remote Desktop - see post #5092:
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:36 PM   #6128
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Thanks lawyers for the sick hypothetical legal situation derail. I know it’s being masked as legit to the thread because it’s “what could maybe, possibly, in some scenario, be what Mike has to deal with” but it’s not really relevant to whether he’s cheated or not or how he may have cheated.


It’s just tons and tons of post of lawyers and fake lawyers debating scenarios that are improbable and don’t really matter right now.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:37 PM   #6129
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There are four possible explanations to the JJ/J4 hand

1. Mike P played the hand legitimately. At some point after the hand, they realized the holding was actually JJ (verified by dealer or the player). Thus the graphics stay as J4, but the commentators on the 30 minute delay find out it was actually JJ.

2. One of the jacks in the deck was registered as a four of spades when the deck was initially registered to the RFID system. I believe the registering is all done manually (the RFID reader asks for the jack of hearts and then you put the jack of hearts on the reader, or something like this). At some point from the beginning of the deck being introduced to 30 minutes after this hand was played, it is a known issue with the deck that one of the jacks is reading as the four. If Mike P already knew the 4s was actually a jack then he can fold correctly.

3. They are running the MultiGFX mode of PokerGFX and they are displaying a secondary graphic that is not running in RFID mode. That is to say, on every hand the graphics person is reading the RFID hole card information off of the 1st copy and manually enters the hole cards into the 2nd copy which is being displayed on stream. Maybe there was a technical reason the tech wanted to manually enter the hole cards. On this particular hand, the tech incorrectly entered the 4 instead of the J and did not catch his mistake, but Mike P still had access to the correct information.

4. Mike P knows Joe well enough to know that he is never playing J4os in a 3-bet pot, so he ignores the RFID information and assumes Joe either has JJ or 44 and folds. Taylor concurs with Mike P's read and goes ahead and tells the commentators the graphics are wrong.
I'm thinking 3 but don't really see the motivation for manually entering cards - maybe he just wanted try this to possibly use for the future. Of note is that before the J4 the previous hand a player has JJ and the 4 is folded. The only true RFID errors I've seen are in some way keeping cards from the previous hand.

At this point I'm of the opinion Taylor is 100% in on it - he can be placed on graphics when all of the suspicious hand changing happens. All it would take to exonerate himself is an explanation of this and one hasn't been provided because the only one that actually makes sense is that he's changing the cards for malicious purposes.

My opinion on Justin(JFK not the commentator) is that the level of incompetence it would take to be innocent here is getting way less likely than him just being in on it. It is possible his computer is running MultiGFX(why he needs to be there) and for someone to be accessing it without his knowledge, people addressing concerns about Mike, and a "completed investigation" - contrast this to someone like Thomas Kremser who doesn't put up with any nonsense whatsoever. Even though casino staff often are not world class players, many start out dealing cards as they work their way up the industry and are not clueless in regards to gambling. Comments such as 'he uses a martingale strategy for poker' make absolutely 0 sense and in the context of a potential cover-up do seem suspicious.

My opinion on the commentators is that they're in a tough spot and I don't see any conclusive evidence to think they're in on it. It's certainly a possibility and we can find strange moments if we look hard enough, but there's no clear link to me. Likely they saw Mike play on streams without cheating and saw an insane play when he did start cheating. At this point I can't fault them for not suspecting anything as this person played completely normal before - for many people it takes a while to change their mind after a first impression let alone lasting impressions from multiple interactions. They probably got used to him making some sick plays and then it's not completely unbelievable that a player would get better - it is to this extent once you piece the entire story together, but in isolation it's not unusual to believe crazy hands are legitimate especially after your previous experiences with this person tell a story of nothing unusual.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:39 PM   #6130
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#8 from Joey is up...but I'm too dumb to embed Link in a hurry so that it works...sorry...
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:40 PM   #6131
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:41 PM   #6132
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I'll preface this with saying I think he's clearly guilty, based on what I've seen here. But....

The Postle Defense:

2 - The graphics you see on the stream are often wrong!
Overall the points you made are, in my opinion, a very weak defense (not your fault) and point #2 is the only point that actually addresses the main evidence of cheating, which is the way he played his hands. I'd be shocked if that point can't be easily shot down in court.

That's ignoring that further evidence should surface such as phone/text records, financial transactions for cheating devices, and additional security camera footage.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:42 PM   #6133
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#8 from Joey is up...but I'm too dumb to embed Link in a hurry so that it works...sorry...


too late nevermind
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:42 PM   #6134
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so ... I've been thinking

During Matusow's podcast, Mike said that after this hand (he had 54o) he returned the money to Moneymaker

I'm pretty sure he felt bad about stealing from a friend

It makes sense, right?
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:42 PM   #6135
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Thank you fozzy71 !
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:44 PM   #6136
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I'm thinking 3 but don't really see the motivation for manually entering cards - maybe he just wanted try this to possibly use for the future. Of note is that before the J4 the previous hand a player has JJ and the 4 is folded. The only true RFID errors I've seen are in some way keeping cards from the previous hand.

At this point I'm of the opinion Taylor is 100% in on it - he can be placed on graphics when all of the suspicious hand changing happens. All it would take to exonerate himself is an explanation of this and one hasn't been provided because the only one that actually makes sense is that he's changing the cards for malicious purposes.

My opinion on Justin(JFK not the commentator) is that the level of incompetence it would take to be innocent here is getting way less likely than him just being in on it. It is possible his computer is running MultiGFX(why he needs to be there) and for someone to be accessing it without his knowledge, people addressing concerns about Mike, and a "completed investigation" - contrast this to someone like Thomas Kremser who doesn't put up with any nonsense whatsoever. Even though casino staff often are not world class players, many start out dealing cards as they work their way up the industry and are not clueless in regards to gambling. Comments such as 'he uses a martingale strategy for poker' make absolutely 0 sense and in the context of a potential cover-up do seem suspicious.

My opinion on the commentators is that they're in a tough spot and I don't see any conclusive evidence to think they're in on it. It's certainly a possibility and we can find strange moments if we look hard enough, but there's no clear link to me. Likely they saw Mike play on streams without cheating and saw an insane play when he did start cheating. At this point I can't fault them for not suspecting anything as this person played completely normal before - for many people it takes a while to change their mind after a first impression let alone lasting impressions from multiple interactions. They probably got used to him making some sick plays and then it's not completely unbelievable that a player would get better - it is to this extent once you piece the entire story together, but in isolation it's not unusual to believe crazy hands are legitimate especially after your previous experiences with this person tell a story of nothing unusual.
I would love to see Nick Schulman doing a commentary of Mike Postle when he’s running on God Mode! I wonder how long it would take before he realized he’s cheating lol
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:45 PM   #6137
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The player with 99 (a set of 9's) made a SMALL bet on the turn to get paid. He SHOULD have got paid by anyone who calls with Jack high on the flop improves to top pair on the turn. He only got called on the flop so JT could possibly realize his runner runner flush/straight equity. He only folded the turn because he knew he was drawing dead.
He definitely made some suspect plays but then you have the Q10 hand where he is super using yet pays his opponent off yet he still showed alot of negative emotion towards hitting two pair on the turn when his opponent makes a straight.

At which point were the initial cheating allegations brought about and were they before the Q10 hand? Maybe people were coaching him to pay off a bit more in these obvious spots.

Honestly, they cheated really poorly overall and it's amazing it went on for as long as it did in this case. Probably the only thing they did smart was do it in this low stakes game where alot of top minds would not be over analyzing the play. I'm still surprised even with some of the people that played in this game that it was not caught sooner. Maybe he did get better at hiding it as time went on.

Some of those hands are potripper, i don't give a f' which is amazing considering they were being recorded on stream.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:49 PM   #6138
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Link from newspaper ?

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Old 10-08-2019, 12:53 PM   #6139
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Guys i just found a clip that implicates the graphics department/ graphics guy i think. (At the very least its a god mode fold on the flop that i havent seen anywhere else.) This stream is gold. Mike has a notepad to mask his constant looking down. Look at what Mike Postle does on this flop with his overpair after you hear the commentators mention his opponent doesnt actually have J4 offsuit HE HAS JJ. But look at the graphics too. Weird ass hand as we have cards changing. Why would it show J4 if he actually had JJ though? But more weird is Mikes action with pocket 10s on a 2 7 4 board.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

The hand starts at 01:28:20

And right after the hand at 01:30:34 The commentator calls mike a god and they both give him godlike praise.

Edit: If the graphics on stream show J4 how would mike know it was JJ. I'm confused. Can someone tweet Berkey, Joey, / Doug this hand. Berkey has a video out about the rfid and the other hand that was suspect with graphics changing. What happened here?
Very interesting hand. Taylor told the booth the villain had JJ so potentially Taylor had told Mike he had JJ as well. That is, assuming Mike is cheating this session. This is September 5th, 2018.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:54 PM   #6140
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My opinion on Justin(JFK not the commentator) is that the level of incompetence it would take to be innocent here is getting way less likely than him just being in on it. It is possible his computer is running MultiGFX(why he needs to be there) and for someone to be accessing it without his knowledge, people addressing concerns about Mike, and a "completed investigation" - contrast this to someone like Thomas Kremser who doesn't put up with any nonsense whatsoever. Even though casino staff often are not world class players, many start out dealing cards as they work their way up the industry and are not clueless in regards to gambling. Comments such as 'he uses a martingale strategy for poker' make absolutely 0 sense and in the context of a potential cover-up do seem suspicious.
You do realise Kremser was fired from the EPT for pocketing a bunch of rebuys in every single rebuy tournament on the tour. He stole untold thousands of dollars from players too.

Edit: Allegedly. Just like Postle.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:58 PM   #6141
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Over 60 pages in and the fact that not more than a handful of people have figured out that Taylor Smith is Mike's inside man here, is a bit mind boggling to me. I think a lot of evidence against Taylor Smith is lost by the numerous posts in this thread. This is why I'm going to try to gather the bits and pieces that have been mentioned in this thread that point in the direction of Taylor.

It was Taylor Smith. Case closed.
Dude, most of the poker community thinks Taylor is one of the insiders. We talked about it so much, I have no idea how you could have the balls to come in here and say this bullshit. Also, this information does not exonerate Justin. Regarding Justin, one of two things is true, hes an accomplice and deserves to go to jail, or extremely incompetent and deserves to lose his job. Him covering for Mike, doing a half-assed fake internal investigation, and posting a hand where Mike loses during the initial investigation is highly suspicious.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:59 PM   #6142
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You do realise Kremser was fired from the EPT for pocketing a bunch of rebuys in every single rebuy tournament on the tour. He stole untold thousands of dollars from players too.
LOL I sure did not know that. I always liked how that particular situation was handled and figured that would make a good example but was punished for my illogical leap and now have my foot in my mouth. Thanks for that, I'm actually laughing now hahaha
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:01 PM   #6143
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LOL I sure did not know that. I always liked how that particular situation was handled and figured that would make a good example but was punished for my illogical leap and now have my foot in my mouth. Thanks for that, I'm actually laughing now hahaha
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:03 PM   #6144
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At this point I'm of the opinion Taylor is 100% in on it - he can be placed on graphics when all of the suspicious hand changing happens. All it would take to exonerate himself is an explanation of this and one hasn't been provided because the only one that actually makes sense is that he's changing the cards for malicious purposes.
As I said before, still not sure what is the logic that Taylor alerting the commentators to info that shows Mike is cheating makes it more likely he is in on it? If he doesn't say anything, everyone still thinks Mike folded to a hand that he's a big favourite against - ie; not cheating.

The J4o/JJ is a genuine error in the graphics I'm pretty sure. The J4o reading doesn't change from the start of the hand to the end. This is not the case with the 68o/89s (where Taylor also tells the comms the 'graphics are wrong')
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:03 PM   #6145
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Thanks lawyers for the sick hypothetical legal situation derail. I know it’s being masked as legit to the thread because it’s “what could maybe, possibly, in some scenario, be what Mike has to deal with” but it’s not really relevant to whether he’s cheated or not or how he may have cheated.


It’s just tons and tons of post of lawyers and fake lawyers debating scenarios that are improbable and don’t really matter right now.
I'm posting for a very specific reason: because there's just a tendency of people to assume that criminals are diabolical masterminds who will find a way to escape the law, and there was a fair amount of it in this thread.

It matters for people to know that if there's a real investigation and real effort by authorities, that these people will be brought to justice. Fatalism about the legal system is very bad in this situation.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:04 PM   #6146
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The J4 hand is really strange. Gotta think about this one some more.

Does anyone have a hand where the graphics are wrong and it goes to showdown? I'm not exactly sure what it would accomplish, but I do want to see their protocol/reaction when graphics are wrong and it actually goes to showdown.
https://youtu.be/nUr3WeFDHZM?t=2118

Hand starts at 00:35:00. The players get it in preflop and then table their hands. Then the graphics update to the correct card.

Yeah this J4 hand is very strange. It's possible Taylor could tell the RFID picked up the wrong card and relayed this to Mike, but why weren't the graphics changed? Unless they never got the card and just assumed it was another J given the villain's line? But also why would Taylor even bother telling the booth the cards were incorrect? It's like he's trying to defend Mike's play instead of just letting him fold the best hand for once.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:09 PM   #6147
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He bets 5k into 2.3k OTR to fold me off a chop. I remember thinking how absurd this HH was when I saw it 30 minutes later on the stream, but at the time had barely played with him and assumed he was clicking buttons and got lucky. Link to clip -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Dza9Z8LMo&t=258m45s
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Exactly the same as the AK v AK hand.

How does he know?!
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:10 PM   #6148
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Don't see anything there..

How to embed twitter links anyone?

Check this , a smoking gun IMO. From Joey. Check how he scans the cards multiple times and looks frustrated that it's not working correctly. He subtly does it towards the end again.

"CHECK THIS HAND FROM POSTLE OUT

Game switches from NL to PLO but cards don't register. Postle stares at crotch & attempts to get cards to register multiple times.

45 mins later goes in the booth - asks why the cards didn't register in the hand & says he hasn't seen his name yet"

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...51345923018752
I had to sign up just to quote and reply to this - but this one is pretty crazy, and for me, while most of the evidence is circumstantial and conjecture (don't get me wrong - it's solid with a lot of weight to it, and could well be enough for a court, but it's not exactly a smoking gun or bloody knife) this one here, combined with the 89ss hand, is the straw that breaks the camels back.

The amount of times Postle moves his cards around the scanner - despite being an action I haven't personally see him do much (I can't recall another clip of him waving his cards around repeatedly for some reason), and in a situation where the cards aren't showing up - I just can't imagine he could come with any reasonable excuse for that. The most logical defense would be "I was nervous so playing with my cards" or something, but that then begs the question "why didn't you do that any other time you were nervous?".
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As I said before, still not sure what is the logic that Taylor alerting the commentators to info that shows Mike is cheating makes it more likely he is in on it? If he doesn't say anything, everyone still thinks Mike folded to a hand that he's a big favourite against - ie; not cheating.

The J4o/JJ is a genuine error in the graphics I'm pretty sure. The J4o reading doesn't change from the start of the hand to the end. This is not the case with the 68o/89s (where Taylor also tells the comms the 'graphics are wrong')
The 'graphics are wrong' is just not so simple and not how the technology works as explained by experts in the industry. And I can't think of a good explanation for 86o/98ss other than he is in on it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:12 PM   #6150
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Hello everyone this is my first post here and here is my take on all this

LANCE HUDSPETH is most probably the KEY PERSON and main accomplice in this case and no one is pointing at him seriously
i tried to contact Joey and doug with no success

he is a Dealer / producer / broadcaster/ rfid responsible at stones !

Look at this video at 1:12:00 this guy LANCE HUDSPETH comes and sits and talks with MIKE !he is supposed to be the broadcaster!! and he talks to one of the players???

https://youtu.be/2pjkPCeckuk

THIS IS LANCE JOB DESCRIPTION IN LINKEDIN : I am responsible for running the streams and insuring all gaming compliance's are meet. Making sure all the back of the house equipment is working properly. I design all the graphics used for out stream.

this is his linkedin profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth

and This is him on the team of stones https://youtu.be/CswNmIQvI0o?t=25959
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