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Old 10-08-2019, 09:10 AM   #6051
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I've seen some comments about commentators guessing correctly what Mike P will do in a hand.

I mean this one is pretty easy. They have watched him for a year and a half, making perfect moves all the time. In any given hand commentators know what an optimal line is, because they can see all the cards. Same as Mike ****ing P lol.
I believe the stream is delayed by half an hour, so as they are commenting on what happened half an hour earlier they may have been prompted on he outcome of the hands that are coming up.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:11 AM   #6052
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Now do we think Mike ever admits it before formal charges or a day in court happen? Like do we think he's gonna come forward and try to save face or blame it on his co conspirators? Or will one of them come forward and come clean...

More than likely everyone has lawyered up and is just waiting but you never know..
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:15 AM   #6053
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100s of thousands, when you win it over a few years and have a child, isn't a lot of money, certainly not enough to risk 50k taking a shot at 10-20. He's not alone in the world.



Further, although he doesn't seem at all self aware to me, he probably understands that the number of fish in his game is very high compared to the relatively sophisticated whales in higher stakes. Now you may think it's an easy transition but in reality it's a huge risk.



With his skill set, even if he's legit beating his game, he'd get crushed at higher stakes. It's not possible he knows this? If 10-20 is that soft, whey aren't the Brad's and Italian NYers crushing it?
I cant tell you why any one player does or does not play game X. I can tell you the 5/10 $500-1500 buyin game at Commerce has had some ridiculous fishy play during the day, holiday weekends especially.

If his winning was that pure, someone would have come to him to back him at bigger stakes.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:16 AM   #6054
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For sure yeah




This one we dont know thoug. Right? People seem to assume there is something in this hat, but it's not proven. He doesnt rub his hat every time. Maybe he does that just to take attention away from his staring at his dick.

I personally dont believe someone is feeding him info. That is not needed if he has the cards in his phone. Would give no extra edge but would risk him getting caught a lot more. He can keep track about who is winning and who is losing without someone telling him.



This is enough proof for me.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:18 AM   #6055
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"There’s been a lot of speculation about the infamous hand where the hole card graphics change from 86o to 8s9s. I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind. I can’t think of any legitimate way anyone could have known the hole cards were wrong or what they really might have been at the point in time the change was made, so you have to wonder about the motivation behind the action. If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

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I'm still having a difficult time wrapping my head around what you are saying happened here and why it was fishy. Can someone clarify what he meant here for me and why it's impossible to explain? I only watched the clip once but did see the graphics change to 89ss near the end of the hand, maybe after MP won the hand and remember the commentators speaking about it. Thanks in advance for any clarification on the matter.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:21 AM   #6056
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I'm still having a difficult time wrapping my head around what you are saying happened here and why it was fishy. Can someone clarify what he meant here for me and why it's impossible to explain? I only watched the clip once but did see the graphics change to 89ss near the end of the hand, maybe after MP won the hand and remember the commentators speaking about it. Thanks in advance for any clarification on the matter.
The change from 68o to 89ss in the graphics must have occured in real time when the hand played out, by the person in the graphics booth. It can't have been done during the delay duration. The person in the booth who watched the hand take place must have changed the graphics at that same time that the hand happened, while Postle was playing it
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:23 AM   #6057
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I dont think this is Stones operation. Its a few shady dudes who found a leak and decided to use it to their advantage. If you are saying that this was the master plan from Stones management to liven up 1/3 game with a god-moder I think it's far fetched. IF that would be the case I doubt they would have asked Mike to be this blatant with his cheating. I mean stack off every once in a while when you are coolered. And make bad calls here and there. Had he been smart he could have kept going for years possibly.
I think you are right , not Stones management.
But I would not be surprised if JFK knew this was going on, or initiated this thing. Heck he's responsible for the games integrity and he does not notice ?
And for sure the one entering the bet sizes and having acces to real time information can be in on it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:26 AM   #6058
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This is enough proof for me.
What is that. I dont know what bone conduction is supposed to look like. Can someone post what that is supposed to be?
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:30 AM   #6059
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I think you are right , not Stones management.
But I would not be surprised if JFK knew this was going on, or initiated this thing. Heck he's responsible for the games integrity and he does not notice ?
And for sure the one entering the bet sizes and having acces to real time information can be in on it.
JFK is also responsible for death of Marilyn Monroe. But yeah, I agree, JFK is probably on this scam too..
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:33 AM   #6060
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What is that. I dont know what bone conduction is supposed to look like. Can someone post what that is supposed to be?






He definitely has something stuffed in his hat
In some other live streams you can see more clearly some kind of rectangular thing under his hat. In this picture its more stuffed, perhaps he stuffed it with some material to not make it show the rectangular battery and make it look normal. In the interview he seems to swap the hat, or take the stuffing out.

The only thing I can think of is to have audio
Why does he need audio ? The people involved want to give him instructions for some reason

It's also good to understand this this form of audio, bone conduction, is crystal clear. But it needs to have good contact with the temple / skull
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:33 AM   #6061
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I'm still having a difficult time wrapping my head around what you are saying happened here and why it was fishy. Can someone clarify what he meant here for me and why it's impossible to explain? I only watched the clip once but did see the graphics change to 89ss near the end of the hand, maybe after MP won the hand and remember the commentators speaking about it. Thanks in advance for any clarification on the matter.
They changed when Mike P put in his re-re-bluff raise on river and just before villain (T-Bone) folded with 9 high.

T-Bone = 2cunning4yew and he has said ITT he was "100% certain" he saw a diamond flash (MP is originally shown with a diamond in his hand) as MP mucked

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Old 10-08-2019, 09:37 AM   #6062
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The change from 68o to 89ss in the graphics must have occured in real time when the hand played out, by the person in the graphics booth. It can't have been done during the delay duration. The person in the booth who watched the hand take place must have changed the graphics at that same time that the hand happened, while Postle was playing it
So this is impossible to explain because Mike's hand is never shown down so the person in the graphic's booth would have had no reason to ever know Mike had 98ss in this spot. I assume that is the fishiness here based on what you posted in reply. It is known that there is someone in the booth fixing graphical errors from the reader in real time but the errors would have to have been remedied after hands are turned over, correct?
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:40 AM   #6063
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The guy running the stream in twitch chat also said Postle had 87 instead of 88 when he check called the river vs the bigger boat. Bit of a coincidence, don't ya think. They were covering for his outlandish plays.

I'm not sure if this hand has been talked about a lot but it sticks out, I can't find the timestamp but the action was roughly as follows.

Postle K7s
Villain QTs

Postle R, V 3Bet, Postle C

Flop KJx

Postle C, V Bet, Postle C

Turn KJxJ

Postle Donk overbet's 3K jam, V call and loses both runouts. Neither player had a flushdraw

Thinking of a standard 3bet range, Villain can have tonnes of better hands, all the KTs-AKs, AA, maybe even some Jx stabs flop with the intention of checking turns.

Makes zero sense unless you can see the cards. No profitable player takes the line Postle took.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:46 AM   #6064
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If he has bone conduction audio from someone who has access to cards, why does he need the phone at all? He could act totally normal and someone would simply feed him the info he needs. No need to do shady dick staring.

I'm still not buying 100% that he has audio at all..
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:48 AM   #6065
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Are we talking Postlecalypse...now ?

Thanks to all for your hard work digging into this !
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:48 AM   #6066
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Thanks PraguePoker for showing how Postle might defend himself. So if Postle does get a 'not guilty' verdict from Judge or Jury, waiting for headline to be 'greatest bluff of all time'.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:48 AM   #6067
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Any lip readers out there who can comb through video of where commentators muted the broadcast but were still visibly talking? Eg, perhaps the one example someone gave with Justin and Kasey where she seems to be uneasy/uncomfortable/possibly raising concerns?
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:49 AM   #6068
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I believe the stream is delayed by half an hour, so as they are commenting on what happened half an hour earlier they may have been prompted on he outcome of the hands that are coming up.
True, definitely plausible.

I've done some commentary in the past and we were just alerted that interesting hand is coming up. It could have been the same here (we know there are communications between commentators and producers/technicians, due to "hand changes" comments and stuff like that).

The thing here is tho... Outcome seems to always be "Postle wins" so really not sure if they need to be prompted about that
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:49 AM   #6069
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Nice catch.

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If he has bone conduction audio from someone who has access to cards, why does he need the phone at all? He could act totally normal and someone would simply feed him the info he needs. No need to do shady dick staring.

I'm still not buying 100% that he has audio at all..
Phones were banned for a while, maybe he had audio during that period. Or he's getting info from the audio and using the phone to activate the bluetooth headset.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:50 AM   #6070
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Kasey isnt just a commentator she is a professional poker player. The Justin "fattrain" dude is pathetic and probably in on it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:52 AM   #6071
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Has anyone figured out at what point he switches to the bone conductor for comms? At the beginning he's definitely just using standard text messaging onto his phone - he wakes his phone up before each hand just as it is being dealt to him.

The reason why he keeps having looking down in the earlier live streams is because he is waiting for text messages and notifications
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:54 AM   #6072
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He definitely has something stuffed in his hat
In some other live streams you can see more clearly some kind of rectangular thing under his hat. In this picture its more stuffed, perhaps he stuffed it with some material to not make it show the rectangular battery and make it look normal. In the interview he seems to swap the hat, or take the stuffing out.

The only thing I can think of is to have audio
Why does he need audio ? The people involved want to give him instructions for some reason

It's also good to understand this this form of audio, bone conduction, is crystal clear. But it needs to have good contact with the temple / skull
This is the same picture of the hat comparison that has been shown since the beginning. Have there been more screenshot comparisons posted here on the hat? My eyesight may be bad, but it looks like one picture is from a high quality camera that can accurately show the see-through mesh (see second picture from https://www.amazon.com/Under-Armour-...072BXH9T1?th=1) vs a lower quality camera that blurs pixels together strangely with the lighting and can't show the mesh properly. In the "during play" pictures, the gameplay camera makes his face look like there is a more contrasting, maybe non-existent, beard-line than the "during interview".

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Old 10-08-2019, 09:55 AM   #6073
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If he has bone conduction audio from someone who has access to cards, why does he need the phone at all? He could act totally normal and someone would simply feed him the info he needs. No need to do shady dick staring.

I'm still not buying 100% that he has audio at all..
That is a good point and something I'm also aware of
And I think that is because visually getting the hole card information is a lot easier. If the guy in on it is the graphics guy, both tracking the betsizings and relaying mike hole card information every hand is a bit much. I think the phone for cards is just a lot easier.

And then the audio just for some key instructions , I'm not sure why , maybe only JFK , if he's in on it, speaks to him.

If he does not have audio, then how can we explain this hat situation ?
There is something in his hat we can see it.
And I don't think it's because it's more comfortable or something like that
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:57 AM   #6074
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The J4o hand is the most interesting one posted yet.
To me it's just another example that who said "he has JJ" was in on it.
He didn't change the graphics but could have easily texted Mike that instead of J4 Joe had JJ. Otherwise it's not Mike's style to fold TT for 1 bet.
It's probably the same guy as the 68o/89s hand. I think the graphics guy changed it because it made 0 sense to bluf when the opponent had a few $ behind. Kinda to explain his absurd river play.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:59 AM   #6075
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This is the same picture of the hat comparison that has been shown since the beginning. Have there been more screenshot comparisons posted here on the hat? My eyesight may be bad, but it looks like one picture is from a high quality camera that can accurately show the see-through mesh (see second picture from https://www.amazon.com/Under-Armour-...072BXH9T1?th=1) vs a lower quality camera that blurs pixels together strangely with the lighting. In the "during play" pictures, his face has a more contrasting, maybe non-existent, beard-line than the "during interview".
I agree, I think he swapped the hat's.
The one is a mesh and the other a non mesh.

I have not see other pictures, (but seen some stream footage) he wears other hats as well with bulges and some with different bulges, less stuffing but more of a rectangular thing showing
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