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Old 10-08-2019, 07:39 AM   #6026
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But it still not one of the above. It's still boring AF. not entertaining whatsoever, not high stakes, no high profile players...
This is a bit subjective but I agree with you.
However it is one of the way's to make a succesfull stream, I'm not saying they succeeded I'm saying they tried.

I'm not too involved or have knowledge but did the room get more popular, did they get more expose after the Mike Meme's and Mike streams ?
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:39 AM   #6027
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I'm def in team 100% cheating, but I swear I've done this exact thing at least 3-4 times over the past 10 years playing live. It seems like a good spot to float, but as I put the chips out, I just get a vibe they're strong - either they react to me pushing the chips in, or I just think 'wtf am I even doing, this guy always has an overpair here' (usually after getting in too many marginal spots). Then the top pair comes, they bet again I just eyeroll/smh and think 'ffs, of course, that's what I get for calling on the flop' and muck, almost as a **** you to what fate was trying to serve me Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)
(mostly they showed AK high in these spots, so can confirm it's not smart)
I've certainly folded this type of hand/ situation in a similar manner, thinking, meh, I'm not sure where I am here or I'm done against this villian here.

My crouch has never inspired me though.



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Old 10-08-2019, 07:41 AM   #6028
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this is so ridiculous...noone folds TT to a single flop bet here...and the commentators don´t feel suspicious at all? they even make him compliments...this all is so shady
I'd like to preface my response by saying I'm a rec player that's been playing for about 15+ years. I play far from perfect. I am also in the Mike P is cheating camp, BUT the fold with 10, 10 here doesn't seem completely out of line to me. Would I fold to one bet, probably not, but he is sandwiched between the donk bettor and the 3-bettor, so I can see why a fold would be on the table. I don't think this hand is conclusive of anything.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:43 AM   #6029
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https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...t=pn-hp-hero-1

Pokernews got interview with the graphics company involved at Stones

Technician states:

-Reader needs to be within 8cm to pick-up the RFID signature
-He can't explain why graphics were changed for the 86/96 hand, believes the operator "panicked"
-Essentially he is implicating the guy in charge of graphics or at a minimum saying it's very non-standard
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:45 AM   #6030
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"There’s been a lot of speculation about the infamous hand where the hole card graphics change from 86o to 8s9s. I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind. I can’t think of any legitimate way anyone could have known the hole cards were wrong or what they really might have been at the point in time the change was made, so you have to wonder about the motivation behind the action. If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:45 AM   #6031
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:49 AM   #6032
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"There’s been a lot of speculation about the infamous hand where the hole card graphics change from 86o to 8s9s. I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind. I can’t think of any legitimate way anyone could have known the hole cards were wrong or what they really might have been at the point in time the change was made, so you have to wonder about the motivation behind the action. If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

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Yes I agree in a moment of panic.
Whoever enters the actions in real time, also have acces to the cards in real time. Panicked by Mike's greedy move and changed it in real time.

It's very likely at this point whoever has acces to the cards in real time is in on this scam
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:51 AM   #6033
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hmmmmm
Yes only for approved followers but I believe he has some
it's not like the tweets are deleted. Idk if he had this for longer or recently tho
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:52 AM   #6034
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"There’s been a lot of speculation about the infamous hand where the hole card graphics change from 86o to 8s9s. I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind. I can’t think of any legitimate way anyone could have known the hole cards were wrong or what they really might have been at the point in time the change was made, so you have to wonder about the motivation behind the action. If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

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Well, that's that then - Whoever did the graphics on the day that 86o became 89ss is the inside man, confirmed
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:56 AM   #6035
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It's a good thing this is all recorded. I think they can start going trough the footage and pay every single dollar mike won of people back to them
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:58 AM   #6036
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this TT v JJ hand would be so much better if he plays according to the graphics and then other guy tables jacks the end of the hand.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:59 AM   #6037
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Idk if he had this for longer or recently tho
According to search history and google cache he locked his account down 3 days ago on the 5th
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:04 AM   #6038
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This requires another license dongle. If it happened this way there would be records of someone buying it from the company. It would be the smoking gun.
I'm not familiar with the software. From what it seems, you only need to have a second copy of the software. Directly from the manual, the steps are:

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To get started witha MultiGFX configuration, follow these steps:

•Connect the RFID table via USB and start PokerGFX normally. this will be the primaryPokerGFX that controls the other secondaryPokerGFXs. (this is the main one running in back)

•Ensure that both a table name and password have been configured in the primaryPokerGFX. (I doubt they even put a password or it was easily guessable)

•Start PokerGFX on another computer that is networked on the same Local Area Network as the primaryPokerGFX.

•Ensure the table name and password settings in the secondaryPokerGFX match the settings configured in the primaryPokerGFX.

•Enable the ‘MultiGFX’ check box. The table USB icon will indicate a link symbol.

The table USB icon should turn green, indicating the link is now active. Any game event that occurs in the primaryPokerGFX will be transmitted to the secondaryPokerGFX, as if the secondarywere directly connected to the RFID table itself.
So from what I understand, you just need your own licensed copy of the game. Which anyone could get. I agree there would be a record of this purchase from the developer, but I doubt it would be as simple as Mike Postle bought a copy of PokerGFX in June/July 2018...
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:06 AM   #6039
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I imagine Mike got the feed sent directly to his own phone. Assuming the accomplice needs to be inside the casino premises to relay hole card information to Postle, where is this accomplice going to hang out for all this time? Can't just sit down at an empty chair for 5+ hours at a time, day after day, constantly texting or talking on the phone, without raising some eyebrows. Plus he'll be on security cameras.
Well if it's through wifi, he only has to be in wifi range. Depending on the strength of the network they used, he could be in a van parked outside the building.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:20 AM   #6040
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this TT v JJ hand would be so much better if he plays according to the graphics and then other guy tables jacks the end of the hand.
That would be a dream. Still not sure what happened that hand.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:24 AM   #6041
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Guys i just found a clip that implicates the graphics department/ graphics guy i think. (At the very least its a god mode fold on the flop that i havent seen anywhere else.) This stream is gold. Mike has a notepad to mask his constant looking down. Look at what Mike Postle does on this flop with his overpair after you hear the commentators mention his opponent doesnt actually have J4 offsuit HE HAS JJ. But look at the graphics too. Weird ass hand as we have cards changing. Why would it show J4 if he actually had JJ though? But more weird is Mikes action with pocket 10s on a 2 7 4 board.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

The hand starts at 01:28:20

And right after the hand at 01:30:34 The commentator calls mike a god and they both give him godlike praise.

Edit: If the graphics on stream show J4 how would mike know it was JJ. I'm confused. Can someone tweet Berkey, Joey, / Doug this hand. Berkey has a video out about the rfid and the other hand that was suspect with graphics changing. What happened here?
This actually fits with my theory of a cloned version of PokerGFX running and mike having access to it through phone or messaging system...

He doesn't have J4 he actually has JJ... So the guy in back knew what the cards were but didn't change it on the stream. If taylor in back knew what the actual cards were, so would anyone else with a 2nd copy of PokerGFX running (Mike or his accomplice). The fact that it mis-shows J4 is irrelavant since Mike has the same access to the cards as Taylor in back through the MultiGFX system. So he would have known it was JJ just the same. This actually supports my theory that he has same real-time access to the cards as the people in back do.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:29 AM   #6042
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The J4o hand is the most interesting one posted yet.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:32 AM   #6043
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"There’s been a lot of speculation about the infamous hand where the hole card graphics change from 86o to 8s9s. I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind. I can’t think of any legitimate way anyone could have known the hole cards were wrong or what they really might have been at the point in time the change was made, so you have to wonder about the motivation behind the action. If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

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Been waiting for this unequivocal confirmation this was the case, thanks for posting.

This - along with the stretch of non-cheating during the WSOP - are the keys to who that (they) was (were).

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Old 10-08-2019, 08:37 AM   #6044
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I think Stones wanted to liven up the game while making more money, so to have someone godmode is perfect for that purpose. 1/3 game is low stakes, who want's to watch that if its just boring and stale ? But with Mike and the Mike meme's etc they livened up that game. I think that was their side goal as well. Mike has had connections with Stones so it's likely he's been approached.
Thread now fully off the rails.


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Old 10-08-2019, 08:38 AM   #6045
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This actually fits with my theory of a cloned version of PokerGFX running and mike having access to it through phone or messaging system...

He doesn't have J4 he actually has JJ... So the guy in back knew what the cards were but didn't change it on the stream. If taylor in back knew what the actual cards were, so would anyone else with a 2nd copy of PokerGFX running (Mike or his accomplice). The fact that it mis-shows J4 is irrelavant since Mike has the same access to the cards as Taylor in back through the MultiGFX system. So he would have known it was JJ just the same. This actually supports my theory that he has same real-time access to the cards as the people in back do.
There's a few issues with this (please see my post above #6025). Here's the main one though - J4o is shown as the hole cards right from the start of the hand. They do not change (unlike the 68o into 89s). How would the accomplice know to change them right from the start of the hand (even if that was possible).

Also ask; Why does Taylor voluntarily offer up information to comms at the end of the hand that MP has made an even more ridiculous fold?
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:42 AM   #6046
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Okay- completely resurrected my account from ages ago for this- and I was a lurker back then.

Thank you Lawdude for shedding some logic and perspective on this.
I got to post 5851 before I couldn't resist adding something to this:

All previous cheating cases lacked jurisdiction and/ or the mountain of evidence this case has. All done on video, in the united states with hand histories (both before and after) to back it up!!

Unfortunately we are probably in all parties going completely silent for awhile stage. Lawyers advise, investigations are handled, interviews, evidence gathering, and yes, deal making potentially.

This is a landmark event and possibly one that may even merit the hammer coming down to deter any in the future from considering the same method(s).

It has been mentioned by many others and needs to be reiterated, these are not criminal masterminds, everything is there on video, sloppily handled and obvious to all. Therefore we can conclude any attempt at destruction of evidence will be handled with the same skill level (incompetence).

Sorry for the caps but: IT IS NOT EASY TO ELIMINATE YOUR DIGITAL FOOTPRINT!!!

It is there on so many levels, google searches, google maps, location data, login data, on and on and on. In this day and age you basically need to work for the NSA to scrub your history. Even then you may need congressional oversight to purge your LPR and FR data (License Plate Recognition and Facial Recognition), anyone this inept to be so horrifically obvious in attempting to cheat a poker game has likely left a mountain of evidence in their wake.

The question truly is now: how hard the hammer falls, what example do they wish to make of Stones & Postle? Scream loud and scream often, do not let the story die six weeks from now, push, push and keep pushing. The more media on this, the more governing bodies will want to make an example of this instance!
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:02 AM   #6047
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Okay- completely resurrected my account from ages ago for this- and I was a lurker back then.

Thank you Lawdude for shedding some logic and perspective on this.
I got to post 5851 before I couldn't resist adding something to this:

All previous cheating cases lacked jurisdiction and/ or the mountain of evidence this case has. All done on video, in the united states with hand histories (both before and after) to back it up!!

Unfortunately we are probably in all parties going completely silent for awhile stage. Lawyers advise, investigations are handled, interviews, evidence gathering, and yes, deal making potentially.

This is a landmark event and possibly one that may even merit the hammer coming down to deter any in the future from considering the same method(s).

It has been mentioned by many others and needs to be reiterated, these are not criminal masterminds, everything is there on video, sloppily handled and obvious to all. Therefore we can conclude any attempt at destruction of evidence will be handled with the same skill level (incompetence).

Sorry for the caps but: IT IS NOT EASY TO ELIMINATE YOUR DIGITAL FOOTPRINT!!!

It is there on so many levels, google searches, google maps, location data, login data, on and on and on. In this day and age you basically need to work for the NSA to scrub your history. Even then you may need congressional oversight to purge your LPR and FR data (License Plate Recognition and Facial Recognition), anyone this inept to be so horrifically obvious in attempting to cheat a poker game has likely left a mountain of evidence in their wake.

The question truly is now: how hard the hammer falls, what example do they wish to make of Stones & Postle? Scream loud and scream often, do not let the story die six weeks from now, push, push and keep pushing. The more media on this, the more governing bodies will want to make an example of this instance!
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:03 AM   #6048
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Thread now fully off the rails.


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Don't worry, Matusow can smoke a joint and then do another interview with Postle to bring some damned common sense to this whole damned case.

Of all the people in all the world, Postle got interviewed by a stoned Matusow! by part 2 of the interview Matusow was more coherent, but part 1 is comedy gold, with the skillful way Matusow shows his lack of knowledge of the allegations.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:08 AM   #6049
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Couple of thoughts

Ok so at this point we can deduce that the phone is a key component to this scam.

I'm pretty sure it has the live stream feed, a crop of the hand rfid hand readout form the rfid in real time or something pretty similar to that.
For sure yeah


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We also know Mike is using a bone conduction headset in his hat.
This step is actually not needed but he has it , why ?

I think that is because he gets instructions and information from the people involved.
Possibly to time his mad plays, or to stop attacking certain players. It's entirely possible they choose to mostly attack the recently winning players in that game.
If someone wins in a legit way and is up the session and Mike then wins it of of this person , this person go's home breakeven etc that might draw less suspension but given their greed it's probably not something they did. Data could show any patterns like this tho.
This one we dont know thoug. Right? People seem to assume there is something in this hat, but it's not proven. He doesnt rub his hat every time. Maybe he does that just to take attention away from his staring at his dick.

I personally dont believe someone is feeding him info. That is not needed if he has the cards in his phone. Would give no extra edge but would risk him getting caught a lot more. He can keep track about who is winning and who is losing without someone telling him.

Also, I dont think he cares who he wins from. Mega douches dont think like that. If there is an edge, Mike will do it, he will do it.


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I think Stones wanted to liven up the game while making more money, so to have someone godmode is perfect for that purpose. 1/3 game is low stakes, who want's to watch that if its just boring and stale ? But with Mike and the Mike meme's etc they livened up that game. I think that was their side goal as well. Mike has had connections with Stones so it's likely he's been approached.

We can see Mike to be frustrated by someone getting there on the turn for a couple of bucks or maybe a 1k pot etc. Why ? Why would you ever care if these things happen when you have a God Mode making 300k ? Well perhaps it is because he's only pocketing 25% of the money ?300k or 75k big difference and big difference to the mental aspect of the money as well.

In the Matusow podcast we hear say things like "I diddnt want to become know character, Stones popularized me" and "I'm there to make fun, and be entertaining"

I think he's saying that because it's true, and think that Stones or some people involved brought the idea to him to become an ambassador for the game and liven the game up by have a god mode and make crazy plays.

If you run a 1/3 stream to promote your poker room.
How is it ever going to reach people ? Who's interested in watching a boring full ring 1/3 game ? I rather watch paint dry.
There are a couple of ways to run a successful stream.
- Have a high stakes game
- Have high profile players playing
- Have a entertaining stream
-> Enter Mike Postle God
I dont think this is Stones operation. Its a few shady dudes who found a leak and decided to use it to their advantage. If you are saying that this was the master plan from Stones management to liven up 1/3 game with a god-moder I think it's far fetched. IF that would be the case I doubt they would have asked Mike to be this blatant with his cheating. I mean stack off every once in a while when you are coolered. And make bad calls here and there. Had he been smart he could have kept going for years possibly.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:09 AM   #6050
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1 - The win rates are wrong. They are only showing results from the stream, and I admit I ran very well. But this is not so unusual during a few hours of play. And if you look at my total win rate, taking into account my losses off camera, my results are normal. High, but not out of the ordinary. This is a witch hunt using incomplete information!
The accusation is that he used the steam to cheat. That he lost money off stream does not make his wins over 300 hours or whatever on stream any less of a statistical outlier. Actually to the extent that wins off stream indicate that his wins on stream are less likely to be representative of his true legitimate win rate, losses off stream make it slightly more likely that he was cheating on stream.

Postle himself has claimed that he does not think people have accurately gathered even what his on-stream win rate is, because players would add on and that was not accurately reflected in the chip totals. But I think he underestimated what people have done in watching chip stacks and tallying up.

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2 - The graphics you see on the stream are often wrong! You think I'm making crazy plays, but oftentimes I had totally different hands! You are only seeing what the RFID is showing, but on some occasions, this is incorrect. I'll call a supporting witness from Stones to confirm this. I'll also show you video of hands where the cards were clearly read incorrectly. You see, who knows what I really had during the so called suspicious play you've seen. And I can't recall all of those hands now, it was so long ago!
As has been said, some of these hands were tabled (because sometimes he called with only slightly better marginal hands, for example). Some of them were discussed after the fact. But in general I don't think this is a great defense. You could estimate the error rate of these machines, and it is probably not very high. It is suspicious enough already that Stones and Postle claimed the reader made a mistake in key spots. In claiming that the errors simply occurred so as to exonerate him in most of the suspicious cases, he is making his ask even more unlikely.

This story also would contradict his admission to (and defense of) playing a very loose splashy style, defending marginal holdings, and making live reads on people.

Don't think there's going to be a plausible defense of the crotch staring. I mean he could say whatever he wants but superusing is just a far, far better explanation of the immediate, total shift in behavioral cues.
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