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Old 10-08-2019, 05:50 AM   #6001
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Ok, maybe. I defer to your experience. I'm not a lawyer.

But why would I even engage? I would say, "I'm not sure I had that hand you claim I had. As we've shown the court, oftentimes the reader is incorrect. And to be honest, I can't recall that hand, it's one of thousands I played that week. You keep asking for explanations for hands I don't believe I had."

Also, are you sure you want to start talking about "check-raising" in court to a jury? I can see the jurors eyes glazing over... Or one of them, who once played video poker once and swears he won 10 dollars, saying, "I've done that, I think it's a smart play, not sure what's wrong with a 'check-raise' there."

Look, I agree it looks terrible for Mike. But he only needs to convince one juror there is smoke but not necessarily a fire. Perhaps a fellow sports bettor whose life went downhill for a bit, but who is also trying to turn it around. And feels poor Mike has suffered enough.
The best defense, such as it is, is to muddy things up, not take the stand.

The point of cross-examining him is not to make the jury understand poker, but to make the jury understand he is lying. "You say you did A because of X, but here's a situation where X happened and you didn't do A. Why was that different?" And spin him around and around with different situations where he clearly did a different thing, or reacted to a supposed tell in a different way.

As for the card reader, that's not difficult either. Because we have numerous hands where we know the card reader is accurate, because the hands were showed down. Go through each one. "Was the card reader inaccurate there Mr. Postle? How about here? How about this one? Isn't it funny how the card reader only seems to be making mistakes when you are playing a hand as if you know the other player's cards?"

They could also put on a rebuttal expert who says when the card reader is malfunctioning, it always shows a blank, not a different card. (Which is, to my knowledge, true.)

Only really good liars (and people telling the truth, of course) survive competent cross-examination. The lies have to tell a coherent, consistent story AND be consistent with all the other observed evidence. It's really hard to do if the lawyer on the other side of the case is skilled.

One other thing- if he says he doesn't remember a lot, that can also be used to impeach. "How come you don't seem to remember any of the answers to my questions, but you seemed mighty sure and specific with respect to any of the questions the defense counsel was asking you? Any explanation for that, Mr. Postle?"
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:56 AM   #6002
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So.... just ask JFK about it and case closed?

(or maybe JFK just faked asking and Mike told him to lie?)
https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=3274

You would have to ask Bryan (the guy who had TT).
He heard the conversation between Mike and JFK.

Then it just boils down to what PokerGFX does and doesn't do, in those situations.
I read that if it misreads a card, then it will misread it throughout the entire game.
These details would be easy to find out from the company that makes PokerGFX.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:59 AM   #6003
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For my work I've had to transcribe hundreds of hands from human written notes into PokerTracker readable HHs. I can tell you that it's extremely tedious and time consuming.

I even wrote a python script to streamline the process and cut down the time by a factor of 5, and it still takes FOREVER.

I can't even imagine having to do it for thousands of hands.
What kind of job is this?!
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:00 AM   #6004
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Polks new video on Postle hands..

https://youtu.be/yXZibOC0gmI
This is THE HAND that made me 100% sure he was cheating.

No way he can justify this one.

There's no logic explanation to that, ever
I'm def in team 100% cheating, but I swear I've done this exact thing at least 3-4 times over the past 10 years playing live. It seems like a good spot to float, but as I put the chips out, I just get a vibe they're strong - either they react to me pushing the chips in, or I just think 'wtf am I even doing, this guy always has an overpair here' (usually after getting in too many marginal spots). Then the top pair comes, they bet again I just eyeroll/smh and think 'ffs, of course, that's what I get for calling on the flop' and muck, almost as a **** you to what fate was trying to serve me
(mostly they showed AK high in these spots, so can confirm it's not smart)

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Old 10-08-2019, 06:00 AM   #6005
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The best defense, such as it is, is to muddy things up, not take the stand.
Exactly. All of the points I made could be made on the stand by others, e.g. cards are read incorrectly, Mike played poker outside the stream, and those numbers (wins and losses, but mainly losses) are not counted. Mike was a degen sports gambler. Mike liked to watch the 30-minute delayed stream during the game with the phone on his crotch, or make sports bets, or whatever. There are many reasons he could be watching something. That other players used their phones to check things during hands at times, etc. Although clearly not like Mike.. You find a few poker players to say crazy plays can be profitable short term, to say they've made similar bluffs at times, whatever. Muddy the waters!

You just want to sow a bit of doubt in 1 juror's mind. You just need one Mike Madusow who's sure Trump is innocent, and poor Mike is getting the Trump treatment. Hung jury.

Again, I think he's guilty. I'm just saying that if this goes to trial, and nobody has confessed, anything can happen. I don't think your case is as strong as you imply without a co-conspirator taking the stand against Mike, or some other evidence that has not yet been presented here.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:02 AM   #6006
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Hi, I made a hypothesis after seeing something sort of fishy to me, and upon everything I found proving it correctly, I thought I'd share. I hope it helps in regards to finding provable evidence!

I found what looks like a direct link to Mike Postle & JFK, the tournament director & commentator of Stones, communicating with eachother while within the game, on stream, while JFK is working in the booth commentating.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=12540 - Cards being dealt consistently haven't been showing up, and it appears Mike has become tilted and begins playing his recent hands standing up.
The linked video is where he finally sits down and sends a text at ~3:29:00.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=14395 - Precisely 30 minutes after Mike Postle sent his text, (Remember the stream is on a delay), right on que, Justin (JFK) receives a text
at ~4:00:31 and hysterically shows it to someone who just walked into the booth where they laugh and appears like JFK jokes about the guy not being allowed to be in there. The text is presumed to be from Mike being angry about cards not reading correctly.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=16178 - The interesting part. Precisely another 30 minutes later, this is exactly where Justin leaves the booth at 4:29:50 and Kasey "interviews" Mike Postle, the interview where he immediately asks what happened on the PLO hand not showing up correctly, but in fact, many hands hadn't been reading correctly even after that specific PLO hand.
The first thing Mike says is "you need me?" where Kasey responds "Well why - You didn't come in here for no reason." then he immediately brings up wanting to know about "that PLO hand". The rest of the conversation is very ominous and easy to interpret as Mike Postle knowing that Kasey is in talks with people about him cheating or at the very least suspicious of him.

With these timestamps, it appears to be obvious that it was in fact Mike who was texting Justin during the game, while JFK was working in the commentator booth and Justin texted back Mike to come into the booth.

* Important notes - During this stream, there was numerous times, including in-between these timestamps, where Kasey & Justin mute the mics, and many times coincidentally after patented God-mode Postle plays, where Kasey looks disappointed and appears like she's confiding with Justin thoughts on Mike Postle possibly cheating. Along with before the interview, it appears like Justin is prepping her on what she should/shouldn't say.

I thought to myself, wow, she must've resigned or gotten fired after this.
I was right.
https://twitter.com/pokermommaa/stat...75567281164288 - Kasey posts about resigning from Stones and having suspicions since March, a little under 2 months before this stream took place.
She also posts about confiding in only a few people that she "trusted" about Mike Postle cheating.
If you look at the Stones youtube page, she was commentating 2-4x a week consistently for months but after this stream, she immediately went down to 1-2x a week before 1x/week before she was gone. Get fired or resign, right? Who knows.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:05 AM   #6007
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I'm def in team 100% cheating, but I swear I've done this exact thing at least 3-4 times over the past 10 years playing live. It seems like a good spot to float, but as I put the chips out, I just get a vibe they're strong - either they react to me pushing the chips in, or I just think 'wtf am I even doing, this guy always has an overpair here' (usually after getting in too many marginal spots). Then the top pair comes, they bet again I just eyeroll/smh and think 'ffs, of course, that's what I get for calling on the flop' and muck, almost as a **** you to what fate was trying to serve me
(mostly they showed AK high in these spots, but can confirm it's not smart)
I can understand this if you do this vs. the tight weak rec at your standard 1/3 table. But in general this is just a ridiculous fold that makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:09 AM   #6008
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Hi, I made a hypothesis after seeing something sort of fishy to me, and upon everything I found proving it correctly, I thought I'd share. I hope it helps in regards to finding provable evidence!.
I think we're finding the same thing - i'm currently looking at the Veronica's Game July 18 2018 video frame by frame from high-resolution and firming on the idea that the app he has open at his crotch is nothing more than standard messaging
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:27 AM   #6009
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I can understand this if you do this vs. the tight weak rec at your standard 1/3 table. But in general this is just a ridiculous fold that makes no sense whatsoever.
the worst played street of this hand is pre, when he opened j10o in EP and called a 3 bet from a TAG. theoritcally we are crushed by the TAGS range, but it's a pretty ez call when he knows he's flipping against his exact hand... Then on the flop Mike's thinking "**** I got out flopped.... But if I make runner runner here I'm going to win a huge pot".. Turn gives him top pair but gives him no additional equity against TAGs hand, snap mucks. ****ing gross man I hate this guy.

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Old 10-08-2019, 06:28 AM   #6010
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I'm not an expert in the field either, but it's fairly common knowledge that "deleting" files usually just frees up locations to be overwritten. Meaning that the data still exists until overwritten.

This is exactly what data recovery services do.
If it is "old fashioned" spinning hard drive, then yes. Even if data is overwritten there is a chance that with special tools magnetic traces can still be read and data to be recovered. With solid state drives things are not that simple.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:34 AM   #6011
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I was just watching a stream on twitch and they have a copy of the chat from the stream. At about the time linked below a person in the chat says, “wow only 38 viewers.” Remember Stones couldnt stream on youtube for many months and only streamed on twitch. This was a god mode stream by Mike. What does he have to worry about when only 38 people are watching? Ill tell you what Mike your gonna lose because now the whole world is watching! Watch below.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=4491s
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:35 AM   #6012
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How many people have filed a IRS report on him so far? I am planning to file next week.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:36 AM   #6013
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Two days, 18 hours at work and I'm finally caught up! Thanks for the entertainment.

My 0.02c:

100% cheating, JT vs 99 hand is the most damning, Postle is an absolutely insufferable mega-douche, Taylor is the accomplice, JFK is an idiot, Ryan Feldman doesn't get enough credit for what he did and does for LATB.

I look forward to the 50 pages I'll have to catch up on tonight.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:54 AM   #6014
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Guys i just found a clip that implicates the graphics department/ graphics guy i think. (At the very least its a god mode fold on the flop that i havent seen anywhere else.) This stream is gold. Mike has a notepad to mask his constant looking down. Look at what Mike Postle does on this flop with his overpair after you hear the commentators mention his opponent doesnt actually have J4 offsuit HE HAS JJ. But look at the graphics too. Weird ass hand as we have cards changing. Why would it show J4 if he actually had JJ though? But more weird is Mikes action with pocket 10s on a 2 7 4 board.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

The hand starts at 01:28:20

And right after the hand at 01:30:34 The commentator calls mike a god and they both give him godlike praise.

Edit: If the graphics on stream show J4 how would mike know it was JJ. I'm confused. Can someone tweet Berkey, Joey, / Doug this hand. Berkey has a video out about the rfid and the other hand that was suspect with graphics changing. What happened here?

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:09 AM   #6015
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Guys i just found a clip that implicates the graphics department/ graphics guy i think. (At the very least its a god mode fold on the flop that i havent seen anywhere else.) This stream is gold. Mike has a notepad to mask his constant looking down. Look at what Mike Postle does on this flop with his overpair after you hear the commentators mention his opponent doesnt actually have J4 offsuit HE HAS JJ. But look at the graphics too. Weird ass hand as we have cards changing. Why would it show J4 if he actually had JJ though? But more weird is Mikes action with pocket 10s on a 2 7 4 board.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

The hand starts at 01:28:20

And right after the hand at 01:30:34 The commentator calls mike a god and they both give him godlike praise.

this is so ridiculous...noone folds TT to a single flop bet here...and the commentators don´t feel suspicious at all? they even make him compliments...this all is so shady
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:15 AM   #6016
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I've seen some comments about commentators guessing correctly what Mike P will do in a hand.

I mean this one is pretty easy. They have watched him for a year and a half, making perfect moves all the time. In any given hand commentators know what an optimal line is, because they can see all the cards. Same as Mike ****ing P lol.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:16 AM   #6017
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Guys i just found a clip that implicates the graphics department/ graphics guy i think. (At the very least its a god mode fold on the flop that i havent seen anywhere else.) This stream is gold. Mike has a notepad to mask his constant looking down. Look at what Mike Postle does on this flop with his overpair after you hear the commentators mention his opponent doesnt actually have J4 offsuit HE HAS JJ. But look at the graphics too. Weird ass hand as we have cards changing. Why would it show J4 if he actually had JJ though? But more weird is Mikes action with pocket 10s on a 2 7 4 board.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

The hand starts at 01:28:20

And right after the hand at 01:30:34 The commentator calls mike a god and they both give him godlike praise.
That is one of the first times ive seen the graphics be wrong for another player than Mike.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:23 AM   #6018
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Graphics have definitely been wrong for other players too. Users who played on livestream before posted ITT and confirmed it.

This TT fold still doesn't make any sense. Did he somehow see JJ in his crotch? Is that possible?
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:27 AM   #6019
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Guys i just found a clip that implicates the graphics department/ graphics guy i think. (At the very least its a god mode fold on the flop that i havent seen anywhere else.) This stream is gold. Mike has a notepad to mask his constant looking down. Look at what Mike Postle does on this flop with his overpair after you hear the commentators mention his opponent doesnt actually have J4 offsuit HE HAS JJ. But look at the graphics too. Weird ass hand as we have cards changing. Why would it show J4 if he actually had JJ though? But more weird is Mikes action with pocket 10s on a 2 7 4 board.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

The hand starts at 01:28:20

And right after the hand at 01:30:34 The commentator calls mike a god and they both give him godlike praise.

Edit: If the graphics on stream show J4 how would mike know it was JJ. I'm confused. Can someone tweet Berkey, Joey, / Doug this hand. Berkey has a video out about the rfid and the other hand that was suspect with graphics changing. What happened here?
This is a very strange hand. First for the reason you mention, if Mike sees the stream he would see J4 and thus continue with TT. The second strange part is that during this session all the J's read correctly other than in this hand, as does the 4s. Now, that CAN be explained by the guys reader picking up someone else's (who folded preflop) 4s instead of the actual J, I believe.

But yeah wtf why would Mike fold, doesn't make sense
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:28 AM   #6020
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That is one of the first times ive seen the graphics be wrong for another player than Mike.
still cringe worthy commentating.. First its noooo Mike has the TT overpair so Joe is not gonna get away with this... Oh! he has JJ the booth just confirmed... oh Mike is gonna fold, what a genius...

In addition, these commentators have multiple streams under their belt, they really think that Joe guy is casually calling 3B's OOP with J4o in the SB on a regular basis?

Do have to say, that Joe guy showed a massive tell when the flop hit. But then again.. folding TT on 7 high rainbow is a joke.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:28 AM   #6021
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Couple of thoughts

Ok so at this point we can deduce that the phone is a key component to this scam.

I'm pretty sure it has the live stream feed, a crop of the hand rfid hand readout form the rfid in real time or something pretty similar to that.

We also know Mike is using a bone conduction headset in his hat.
This step is actually not needed but he has it , why ?

I think that is because he gets instructions and information from the people involved.
Possibly to time his mad plays, or to stop attacking certain players. It's entirely possible they choose to mostly attack the recently winning players in that game.
If someone wins in a legit way and is up the session and Mike then wins it of of this person , this person go's home breakeven etc that might draw less suspension but given their greed it's probably not something they did. Data could show any patterns like this tho.

I think Stones wanted to liven up the game while making more money, so to have someone godmode is perfect for that purpose. 1/3 game is low stakes, who want's to watch that if its just boring and stale ? But with Mike and the Mike meme's etc they livened up that game. I think that was their side goal as well. Mike has had connections with Stones so it's likely he's been approached.

We can see Mike to be frustrated by someone getting there on the turn for a couple of bucks or maybe a 1k pot etc. Why ? Why would you ever care if these things happen when you have a God Mode making 300k ? Well perhaps it is because he's only pocketing 25% of the money ?300k or 75k big difference and big difference to the mental aspect of the money as well.

In the Matusow podcast we hear say things like "I diddnt want to become know character, Stones popularized me" and "I'm there to make fun, and be entertaining"

I think he's saying that because it's true, and think that Stones or some people involved brought the idea to him to become an ambassador for the game and liven the game up by have a god mode and make crazy plays.

If you run a 1/3 stream to promote your poker room.
How is it ever going to reach people ? Who's interested in watching a boring full ring 1/3 game ? I rather watch paint dry.
There are a couple of ways to run a successful stream.
- Have a high stakes game
- Have high profile players playing
- Have a entertaining stream
-> Enter Mike Postle God
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:30 AM   #6022
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This is a very strange hand. First for the reason you mention, if Mike sees the stream he would see J4 and thus continue with TT. The second strange part is that during this session all the J's read correctly other than in this hand, as does the 4s. Now, that CAN be explained by the guys reader picking up someone else's (who folded preflop) 4s instead of the actual J, I believe.

But yeah wtf why would Mike fold, doesn't make sense
Rewatching the hand preflop we can see seat 8 never has his cards shown. Im not sure what happened here. Maybe seat 9s rfid reader picked up seat 8s. But wouldnt that show to Mike? Maybe the whole hand all the graphics were wrong. Im just really confused with that hand. How does he see JJ if the graphics are showing his opponent has J4?????!!!!!

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:34 AM   #6023
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If you run a 1/3 stream to promote your poker room.
How is it ever going to reach people ? Who's interested in watching a boring full ring 1/3 game ? I rather watch paint dry.
There are a couple of ways to run a successful stream.
- Have a high stakes game
- Have high profile players playing
- Have a entertaining stream
-> Enter Mike Postle God
But it still not one of the above. It's still boring AF. not entertaining whatsoever, not high stakes, no high profile players...
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:35 AM   #6024
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There's a few examples of graphics being wrong/updated for other players, often explanation is they're hole cards lagging from the previous hand.

Here is one example from a non-cheating stream, where MP's cards are wrong (Qd5c) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276443823?t=01h08m51s How do we know they're wrong? Because the Qd comes on the turn. Look at the previous hand and TWO players' hole cards are shown as Qd5c.

If we look at the previous hand to the one GotM highlights above, another player has JJ.

Also note the hand is another example of Taylor being name-checked by comms telling them the hole cards are wrong. Also note this hand ends on the flop - however, i am not not sure whether Joe (JJ/J4o) shows Jim his hand after he folds his AK. The camera is solely on Jim, and looking at his reaction it looks like it's possible.

Also consider; what looks worse for Mike? Folding TT on a 7 high flop to one bet when his opponent has J4o or JJ?
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:36 AM   #6025
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That guy from reddit did it again: https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...e_18th_stream/

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I am sure by now many of you are aware of who I am and about my OP about Postle changing his behaivor after July 18th. In that post, I wrote this:
"I also believe, though I have not went through it, that if you follow through from that point, that you will see his cheating evolve from having the phone in his lap and arms on the table.........He then goes away from his looking straight down, as he does on July 18th, to later his patent turn my head straight down with my hat forward and don't mind me I'm just checking my hole cards.........."
I took a break from all of this today, but somehow, I find myself right back in it.
While visiting a non-poker friends house earlier, he brought this topic up and I showed him my time-lapse video of Postle from Jan to July, which is the 2nd video I uploaded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYySMEWzE0.
I responded to a remark he made and I said yeah, I think he starts checking his hole cards differently after that video too, but I have not went through all the footage yet.
My friends said, yeah that makes sense, that's why he moved his chips.
I was like, he did what?
He said, yeah look, in your video he plays with his chips in front of him, and all those videos I saw everywhere else he plays with his chips to the left and checks his cards close to the rail so he can look in his lap.
So I fast forwarded to July 18th and he played over his chips, with them in between his arms and makes his checks in front of his chips.
I come home and start looking through footage from the time lapse, and every session July 18th and before he plays over the top of his chips between his arms, even in the July 18th session where he awkwardly looks down between his legs.
I look at his first session right after July 18th in like August. And for the first time goes to his checks to the right of his chips stack with the cards completely against the rail. I look at next session, same, Sept session, same, Nov session he has huge stack and is playing over them but then does his check to the left of the stack still, fast forward to 2019 and he still does his checks against the rail to the right of the stack from his perspective.
After July 18th, Mike Postle changes his checks pattern and moves his chips stack to the left, and looks back 10x more often in the middle of a hand, neither of which he did before the July 18th stream.
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