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Old 10-08-2019, 01:08 AM   #5926
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I know that multiple people have downloaded the Stones archive. I'd imagine someone got those too.
I didn't download these but I watched all of them last week. Was mainly trying to confirm Justin's travel dates and see if he ever mentioned Mike or was ever with him outside the casino. But there wasn't much there. They were pretty tough to watch, just 20 minute videos of Justin driving around in his Tesla talking about his sobriety. It was actually a little sad tbh.

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My current estimate is that Postle is working alone, and he was able to relay a feed (using his technical knowledge which he's trying to downplay) of the RFID software to his phone. We know the security was extremely lax in the peek room. When they banned phones he was able to write or acquire code which read out-loud the hole cards to his bone conduction headphones.

We've seen Postle cheat while Justin is commentating, so how does it make sense that the two are working together?
I think Veronica stated that Stones didn't institute the no phone rule until very recently, like within the past month. Mike started wearing something in his hat in early 2019. It's definitely possible he anticipated the rule change or just wanted to fine tune his cheating methods, but he didn't start using bone conduction as a result of them banning phones.

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1:10:55 (https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=4255)
Justin cant wait any longer to get a response from Mike so he calls mike LIVE and asks him about the hand (isnt that against the rules?). The response going from here is priceless. This needs to be seen by Doug or Joey or anyone that can get this out there.
Wow very nice find. I guess it's not that uncommon for the TD to have a player's phone number for coordinating games, etc. but we can at least confirm they were pretty close when his cheating began - August '18.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:08 AM   #5927
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But the gaming industry is very powerful in the state of California. There's going to be a lot of pressure to sweep this under the rug.
It's competitive though. The tribal casinos are always lobbying for new rules/laws that will give them an advantage over independent cardrooms, and vice-versa.

I would not be at all surprised to see the tribal places use this to lobby for some change to how poker operates that they think will drive more players to their own rooms. Or push for more onerous standards for licensing of key employees at cardrooms.

We may see the exact opposite of sweeping it under the rug.


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Old 10-08-2019, 01:11 AM   #5928
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I can confirm that, and I've just spent 20 minutes needlessly grabbing screengrabs and timestamps, because I didn't realise HarryKane09 had already done so. Well played, Harry. Everything lines up perfectly timewise.
In short, the viewers asked "Why did he just call?" and it appears that JFK directly went out and asked Postle about it, I presume that in their short conversation (JFK had to get back to the chatbox) Postle flat-out lied to him about his holecards. JFK likely passed on that incorrect info about holecards to the chatbox thinking he was doing the viewers/commentators a favour. JFK wouldn't know Postle was lying. He worshipped him like a God. In his naivety, he believed all of Mike's bullshit.
Also Mikes story would check out about his holdings of 89 of spades. Because noone else was dealt the 89 of spades. Who would know this? Mike would know because he saw everyones holecards inbetween his lap. Thats why justin believed him because how could he lie since noone else was dealt those cards
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:12 AM   #5929
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I guess it's not that uncommon for the TD to have a player's phone number for coordinating games, etc. but we can at least confirm they were pretty close when his cheating began.
FWIW the way you got onto the stream was literally to send Justin a text message. His cell number was on the promotional cards and calendars they gave out in the room. If you started the stream in the game, he almost certainly had your number.

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Old 10-08-2019, 01:15 AM   #5930
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Also Mikes story would check out about his holdings of 89 of spades. Because noone else was dealt the 89 of spades. Who would know this? Mike would know because he saw everyones holecards inbetween his lap. Thats why justin believed him because how could he lie since noone else was dealt those cards
This wouldn't explain how the graphics were changed though.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:16 AM   #5931
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So the accomplice not only has to watch the live stream covertly, but also be texting Mike repeatedly, and also play poker himself? This seems more difficult and complicated to pull off...
Maybe it is the reason he has to look down at his phone so often because the person isn't getting the information to him often enough. I don't know obviously just speculating on what could be. Ive watched all of joeys streams and been following this closely and have so many questions that I am dying for answers on.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:23 AM   #5932
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This wouldn't explain how the graphics were changed though.
The grpahics werent changed i dont believe.. i typed this in a previous comment but its not true... the graphics werent changed
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:25 AM   #5933
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The grpahics werent changed i dont believe.. i typed this in a previous comment but its not true... the graphics werent changed
I think the graphics were changed , weren’t they changed I thought that they were changed though
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:27 AM   #5934
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Does anyone have the link to the posts that included the texts Postle sent early on to a small group defending himself? Wanted to re-read them. Said something about PPpoker & watching the stream - that always struck me as a convenient cover for a way he could getting live info relayed to him.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:28 AM   #5935
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Wow very nice find. I guess it's not that uncommon for the TD to have a player's phone number for coordinating games, etc. but we can at least confirm they were pretty close when his cheating began - August '18.
As well as their Facebook friendship (now hidden), I'm pretty sure there was other evidence linking them together as far as back as 2016. A lot of the Stones team have been on board for 3+ years. (i.e. well before the streamed cheating started).
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Also Mikes story would check out about his holdings of 89 of spades. Because noone else was dealt the 89 of spades. Who would know this? Mike would know because he saw everyones holecards inbetween his lap. Thats why justin believed him because how could he lie since noone else was dealt those cards
Remember that in the 86o or 98ss hand, it's very clear that one commentator says "Does he have 89? Taylor, does he have 89?"
The other seemed to ask "Bueller", but I have no idea if Ferris was having a day off.
Taylor appeared to be in shouting distance. I got the (perhaps mistaken) impression that the "peek room" on that occasion was the other side of that curtain/partition you see in the commentary booth. At other times, it seems they receive info directly into their headsets.

P.S. In response to the questions above, the graphics were not changed in the 88 hand (where JFK told the chatbox - after speaking to Postle - that he had 87). The graphics were changed in the 86o hand that mysteriously became 98ss.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:28 AM   #5936
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Maybe it is the reason he has to look down at his phone so often because the person isn't getting the information to him often enough. I don't know obviously just speculating on what could be. Ive watched all of joeys streams and been following this closely and have so many questions that I am dying for answers on.
I think this line of thinking is on to the actual method.

As a man who sometimes tries to be on his phone next to a wife who sleeps extremely lightly, I can tell you a video stream is a helluva lot more noticeable than a messaging app. The constant motion on screen and frequent light changes can be quite disruptive. I'm not sure he could have something going like that, even in his crotch, without anyone ever wondering what the flashes from his phone were.

If he's getting messages from an accomplice who has the actual direct access, then it makes sense why he has to check so much more often. I figure they probably would code those messages too. He would be ****ed if he was caught with a phone that straight up said Seat 4 has QQ. So if he is receiving only partial info via text and that text is coded it makes perfect sense why he has to recheck almost every street sometimes.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:31 AM   #5937
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The grpahics werent changed i dont believe.. i typed this in a previous comment but its not true... the graphics werent changed
What? The graphics changed right after Tbone raised and before Postle 3b AI. To date, it's probably the biggest piece of evidence that proves someone else was in on it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:35 AM   #5938
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:44 AM   #5939
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Hate to keep talking about the commentators cause it's pretty much all speculation at this point, but did anyone else find these tweets from Kasey a bit
odd?

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Old 10-08-2019, 01:49 AM   #5940
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She subscribed to if you can't beat them, join them.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:50 AM   #5941
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did matusow end up getting his 2 mil back from ub this year?

did Ted Forrest ever get his 2 mil from Mike?
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:51 AM   #5942
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Seen a few comments about JFKs whereabouts during the 88 hand and I found this a few days ago
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I checked the video, it appears that Mike is talking to a man in a suit (JFK) 30 minutes later after youtube chat...

but Wild Card's point is: noone but mike saw the hand he actually had
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I can confirm that, and I've just spent 20 minutes needlessly grabbing screengrabs and timestamps, because I didn't realise HarryKane09 had already done so. [EDIT: See post 5900. I made notes with even more accurate timestamps, but I won't bother posting now.] Well played, Harry. Everything lines up perfectly timewise.
In short, the viewers asked "Why did he just call?" and it appears that JFK directly went out and asked Postle about it, I presume that in their short conversation (JFK had to get back to the chatbox) Postle flat-out lied to him about his holecards. JFK likely passed on that incorrect info about holecards to the chatbox thinking he was doing the viewers/commentators a favour. JFK wouldn't know Postle was lying. He worshipped him like a God. In his naivety, he believed all of Mike's bullshit.
Good stuff guys
I was also half way through watching that, then randomly checked and saw ArtyMcfly's post.
So this shows he did talk to Mike.
But also the 'RFID error' was made up/assumed by Justin JFK, because he had a whole half an hour of knowing nothing about it, till he asked Mike directly, and then he quickly goes back to type on youtube after believing whatever Mike had just told him.

So the idea of it being an 'RFID error' seems to have been made up after this conversation, 30 minutes after it happened.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:52 AM   #5943
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Hate to keep talking about the commentators cause it's pretty much all speculation at this point, but did anyone else find these tweets from Kasey a bit
odd?

I just wish anytime from march until now they planted a hidden camera under the table in the seat where mike plays. However that has got to be really tough to do. But in a way she is right. We dont have a 100% smoking gun.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:58 AM   #5944
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....This case is NOT dependent on statistics. It's dependent on things juries understand perfectly well, such as the presence or absence of cell phones, looking at the crotch, friends being in and out of town, and bulges in the hats. You are acting like what the prosecutor would do here is spend days explaining poker statistics to a jury. But only the dumbest prosecutor would do that here. You don't have to, and it's not the way to win cases like this.
I think you are correct regarding Mike, although once things go in front of a jury, anything can happen.

However, I'm not so confident about justice for his accomplice or accomplices. Unless people start to talk.

You are right about digital forensics, and how difficult it is to hide evidence. But the issue here is how badly the "crime scene" was compromised, at least according to what I've read here. I would compare it to a murder scene where you have the killer's DNA. But because the police failed to lock down the crime scene, you have the DNA of tens if not hundreds of people, as well. Sure, you may have other evidence, but it's more doubt for jurors to consider.

For example:

1 - The control room was almost never locked, and people were known to come in and out all the time. Someone said they began to lock it a couple of months ago, but not for the first year or so of cheating. And not sure if it was locked when not streaming. In other words, anyone could have loaded something on those servers.

2 - There were apparently no cameras around the control room entrance, meaning you could not use that as evidence for when people came and went. I highly doubt there was any record of who was in that room and when.

3 - Apparently passwords were rarely or never changed. So you have to question the overall user integrity there. If I were going to make changes on the server to support cheating, I would definitely try to do it using someone else's ID/password, or a general ID/password that was used by more than one person, e.g. ADMIN, etc.

4 - Allegations of cheating were raised by at least 2 people to management. Nothing seemed to happen. Phones were briefly banned but not really banned. Doors remained unlocked, etc. So at the very least you can show serious incompetence in how security was managed. Which again makes it difficult to isolate on one individual as the co-conspirator.

So to summarize, Mike is likely in serious legal trouble. But if he refuses to confess and name co-conspirators, nobody else talks, and the overall security at Stones was as bad as it's being described here, then.... Not so confident anyone else will go down.

If many people were involved, e.g. multiple commentators - something I highly doubt - then I'm sure people will talk. But if it's just Mike and one other person? Not so sure we'll see justice.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:59 AM   #5945
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Mike and Justin have a relationship that goes back in time - the Dream Poker Show concept Mike came up with was done w/ Justin and Stones.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:13 AM   #5946
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Can anyone explain to me how our justice system doesn't need a huge overhaul if Mike, and Stones poker room, aren't punished and forced to pay back all the players, plus compensation? The fact that Russ Hamilton got off scott free is a joke in and of itself...

It's like there's footage of someone drilling into a bank vault on camera, completely identified, and no legal action is taken.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:16 AM   #5947
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Jonathan littles lawyer is taking this to court.

https://youtu.be/Vj8yU3INNGk

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Old 10-08-2019, 02:23 AM   #5948
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Polks new video on Postle hands.

https://youtu.be/yXZibOC0gmI
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:31 AM   #5949
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Polks new video on Postle hands.

https://youtu.be/yXZibOC0gmI
This J10 vs 99 is unbelievable.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:34 AM   #5950
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This J10 vs 99 is unbelievable.
Yup, Postle floats the flop hoping for any club, 7,8,Q,or King. But when he hits top pair killing his equity he dumps the hand.
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