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Old 10-07-2019, 11:00 PM   #5851
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Great points but...

Why aren't we hearing anything from these guys right now?

if I was accused/suspect of cheating and was innocent I would give all possible information that would innocent me right away
Are they considered employees of Stones? If so, I'm sure once this broke they were all pulled aside by HR or some internal group and told that since they are doing investigation of the sorts that they are not allowed to speak about the situation until the investigation is over with.

If they are not employees of the stones, I do find it incredibly odd that there is not more chatter or links to twitter feeds of those that were commentating on the broadcast.

I wonder if Veronica knows why there has been so much silence on this from the commentators since.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:01 PM   #5852
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"Wiping" hard drives (1) takes time, (2) is easy to detect, and (3) leaves recoverable files.

Numerous defendants have been convicted after trying to wipe hard drives.

(And that assumes that they can get into administrator mode, while nobody else is in the physical presence of the computer, with the surveillance cameras running (we are talking about a casino!).)
This is simply not your field. You are letting your expertise in one area fool you into thinking you have above-average knowledge of another.

Yes, wiping hard drives takes time. Yes, it is easy to detect. No, it doesn't leave recoverable files. No, it doesn't require "administrator mode".
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:01 PM   #5853
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Great points but...

Why aren't we hearing anything from these guys right now?

if I was accused/suspect of cheating and was innocent I would give all possible information that would innocent me right away
-They likely aren't 2p2ers (has someone checked all of the commentators' twitter feeds to see if they've said anything?)
-They're likely embarrassed or feel guilty about the entire situation
-they need some time to process what happened, especially that their friend is a cheating scumbag
-it's always a good idea to remain silent when self-incrimination is possible, even when 100% innocent. (Any half-decent lawyer will tell you this). Remember, there's supposedly an investigation going on.
-They might've been told not to talk to anyone by the investigators themselves
-they likely don't have any concrete evidence to incriminate people. If they do they should give it to the investigators, not post it on the internet
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:02 PM   #5854
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To be fair online most people just automatically use tracking software that will track other player's results from the the hands they play with you.

Live, you're probably likely not tracking anyone's results but your own. For all we know there could have been multiple other superuser/cheaters in that very game that are simply doing it much more subtle.

No one is really doing a full check on all the players in the game...I don't think.



Yeah, I was thinking about asking that...lol

What's your experience with closing arguments as the prosecutor in a criminal case? Do you mind sharing a ballpark time frame or range on how long they would typically go?
Not sure if you are asking how long complex trial last or just how long closing arguments last.

I have had jury trials that lasted 1-2 days and my closing argument was 30 minutes. I have also had jury trials that lasted over a month and my closing argument lasted hours.

It really depends on how much evidence was introduced during the trial.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:03 PM   #5855
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Totally random and unsubstantiated theory, but hadn’t seen it anywhere itt and wanted to be on the record if I hit my one-outer:

Maybe Mike has major dirt on one of the Stones higher-ups and managed to leverage that into his “God” status on the show. It fits with Mike’s character to blackmail someone in order to get the respect he thinks he deserves. And it also seems like the most probable explanation(s) for his operation require the assistance of someone in the Stones house. Money might have motivated that person, but I don’t buy it: this is a crazy risky play and even most criminals don’t break the law unless they feel they have to. It also explains why Mike was able to keep the racket up for so long: he knew he had someone and that that someone couldn’t talk.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:04 PM   #5856
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Mike calls down a lesser full house...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vaF...outu.be&t=1167

The suspicous play is explained as RFID error by Justin in youtube chat.

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1505

JFK - Mike didn't have 88, he had 78
Fattrain - Ohhhh makes sense
JFK - ​He is good but he is not that good
JFK - RFID error
Russ McGinley - ​Thanks Justin
JFK - I went and asked him, turned open ended and rivered a pair

edit: just highlighting the youtube chat
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:06 PM   #5857
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How many 1-3 / 2-5 crushers (there are many) have survived the move up to higher stakes, even 5-10? Andrew Neeme? no. Jeff Boski? no the list is long of people stuck at low stakes, unable to move up, so desperate to get out of a tight life spot they're making youtube videos. Good on them!

But to suggest he just MOVE UP overlooks the reality that this 1-3 plays much higher occasionally, just with guys who are fish in 1-3. You'd really move up in this pond?

His explanations sound off in my opinion -- but I'm not good at reading off. Nothing coming from Postle has mitigated the accusations against him so far as my opinion can tell.
Actually you made a great point. I would totally want to play with particular player pool.

However, all I'm saying the MOST credible thing Postle has said thus far is his rationale for staying in these games and not moving elsewhere, which isn't saying much. Even if we gave him full credit for his rationale (which I don't actually believe) that doesn't over shadow every other damning detail out there right now about this situation...

But again, I think you have a great points there. I agree with what you said about the difficulty moving up in stakes. I also think that Postle has done a horrid job of mitigating accusation as you have said.

If Postle doesn't have a lawyer by now... Lord knows he SHOULD be able to afford one. I wonder what a competent lawyer would be advising someone in Postle's position to be doing right now, but I would be shocked if a lawyer would give the OK to go speak with someone like Mike Matusow about this....
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:06 PM   #5858
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How many 1-3 / 2-5 crushers (there are many) have survived the move up to higher stakes, even 5-10? Andrew Neeme? no. Jeff Boski? no the list is long of people stuck at low stakes, unable to move up, so desperate to get out of a tight life spot they're making youtube videos. Good on them!

But to suggest he just MOVE UP overlooks the reality that this 1-3 plays much higher occasionally, just with guys who are fish in 1-3. You'd really move up in this pond?

His explanations sound off in my opinion -- but I'm not good at reading off. Nothing coming from Postle has mitigated the accusations against him so far as my opinion can tell.
Half the reason the game "played much bigger" was because you had a complete maniac with 60% vpip able to know what his opponents had.

Mike has claimed to be an absolute crusher for 16 years but has never even cashed or apparently played a $5k tournament despite playing small weekly tournaments to this day. To live in California, *crush* poker for 16 years but never play/cash a WSOP event or play the main is odd imo.

It's difficult for most people to move up because 20bb/he is crushing it and live poker has dried up wrt cash games compared to where it used to be. Mike was winning at over 200bb/hr.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:07 PM   #5859
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It seems there is a period, in my estimation, June 3rd and August 5th where Postle doesn't cheat many times. He has a few monster sessions, but a lot of those can be attributed to him getting lucky, not making insane bluffs and hero calls. It's possible he doesn't cheat at all during this period.

August 21st he is confirmed in God mode again. I am not done analyzing the video, but it seems like its possible that August 7th is the first time Postle cheats after a period of time not cheating.

Now a lot of this attribute to Justin being away, and he is for some of the period. But there is also a large period in that time that doesn't correlate to Justin's appearance.

What if he stopped cheating not because Justin was gone, but because he knew people suspected he was cheating and decided to stop or lay low?

If this is the case, it's possible that in the time he started cheating after the lay low/stopping period, he decided to use a different method of cheating.

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:09 PM   #5860
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vaF...outu.be&t=1167

Like the commentators, I watch this and go 'wtf?!' lol

Question about the RFID excuse:

Watch from around 21:40.

He never turns his cards over. He throws them straight in the muck.
They land infront of the dealer face down. The dealer scoops up all cards.
The RFID computer has registered the cards as 88.

So how does anyone decide that the computer is wrong and they think it is now exactly '78'? This is a lie.
If the RFID doesn't know the cards, and noone else saw the cards, then there is no other information.
I think that he did have 88.


Here they are later discussing that same hand:
https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1505

"So Rita's asking why the call on the river if he knows he's beat?"

25:25 Kasey: "Justin just said he didn't have 88, he had 78"

It's not necessarily Justin's idea.
Either someone on the team told Justin this fake info, to relay it to Kasey, or the idea came out of Justin's head.
lol thanks for posting all this, I hadn't seen this hand yet. He's obviously lying about having 78. You can hear the commentators completely befuddled and grasping at straws for how he only calls there. A viewer asked the question, "Why call the river if he knows he's beat?" He answered, "I don't know that he knows he's beat." Would be hilarious if he folded his full house on the river lol. Postle is extremely smug that he thinks he can just flat call there, then decide to lie about his hand. I guess it worked in this instance, and he did get away with all this for quite some time so... hats off...
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:09 PM   #5861
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Is Stones an Indian Casino?
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:09 PM   #5862
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Marle and Jamie Kerstetter vlog on Mike Postle

A few interesting points:
- Marle played against him in his last streamed game
- Jamie is actually an attorney and had some interesting points on discovery etc

https://youtu.be/0w-zwVRqFGA

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:12 PM   #5863
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What's the most popular theory?
Mike, Justin and graphic's guy (Lance?)
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:12 PM   #5864
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It seems there is a period, in my estimation, June 3rd and August 5th where Postle doesn't cheat many times. He has a few monster sessions, but a lot of those can be attributed to him getting lucky, not making insane bluffs and hero calls. It's possible he doesn't cheat at all during this period.

August 21st he is confirmed in God mode again. I am not done analyzing the video, but it seems like its possible than August 7th is the first time Postle cheats after a long period of not.

Now a lot of this attribute to Justin being away, and he is for some of the period. But there is also a large period in that time that doesn't correlate to Justin's appearance.

What if he stopped cheating not because Justin was gone, but because he knew people suspected he was cheating and decided to stop or lay low?

If this is the case, it's possible that in the time he started cheating after the lay low/stopping period, he decided to use a different method of cheating.
These facts tend to increase the possibility of a solo job.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:13 PM   #5865
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Mike, Justin and graphic's guy (Lance?)
Graphics guy is Taylor.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:13 PM   #5866
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Why can he not? Is there a law against it? Will it trigger an immune response?



I think there are people who would put him in just to see how he does. I would if I had money (one reason why ...)!



Mike Matusow gets stakes from the best players in the world.
That is such a stupid comment.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:15 PM   #5867
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He can't be trusted to pay the money back. Apparently, Mike Matusow can.

Absolutely...just ask ted forest....
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:15 PM   #5868
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There is no reason to investigate Justin he isn't suspicious.
We wouldnt wanna drag the mans name through the mud, the man that let postle the meme god of the stream cheat innocent hard working poker players out of 325k In a full year with his "Top Notch" security running at all times while hes on stream frollicking with glee like a 12 year old on christmas eve bowing down to mike like hes the greek god of thunder. This is all just a coincidence. IDK about anyone else in here but ive been playing poker for over 8 years grinding micro small stakes online and let me tell you the grind is real and the money is not. If im gonna sit here and worry about dragging names through the mud then you can think again im sorry

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:15 PM   #5869
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To the newbs who still think the commentators were in on it...
I know they appear fawning at times, but if any of the main commentators were in on the cheating, don't you think they would have been less sensationalist, so as not to draw attention to ridiculous hands? In some spots they literally scream things like "Don't do it!" or "I can't believe he's making this play!", or they congratulate people for making sick hero-calls when Postle bluffs..
I dont think all the comentators are in on it. Just a select few. And i dont see why they wouldn't say stuff like that if they were trying to sell it.

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Watch the controversial hand vs T-bone again: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/365129696?t=02h33m20s
They give T-bone the "OMG" meme, because they think his bluff is so sick.
Yeah, the bluff by T-Bone was sick and deserving of the "OMG" meme. Are you suggesting that if they were in on it they wouldn't react when a player other than Postle makes a sick play? They would only be allowed to cheer for Mike?

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It initially doesn't even occur to them that Postle will re-bluff.
It wouldn't occur to me either that Postle would rebluff either, even if i knew he was super using that would be taking it too far.

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Note that one commentator yells to the man in the editing booth "Does he have 89? Taylor, does he have 89?" and the other soon adds "Just give T-bone the money."
Both guys seem quite deflated when the graphics changed and the pot was eventually pushed to Postle.
I don't think they are getting a % so they don't care if Mike wins every pot or not, but they don't seem deflated that Mike won, if anything they seem amused that Mike won. They were deflated that someone had the nuts. It would have been a much sicker pot if it was 8 high vs 9 high.

Obviously it's all speculation, maybe they just found the dumbest possible people they could for commentators (in terms of poker knowledge). At some point they tell them something like, "Ok we have this player Mike, he is basically a Poker god and it is good for our show if you hype him up as much as you can. If he makes a play you don't understand it is because hes light years better than poker than you so just pretend like you get it. Don't question his plays."

Even if this is the case then the commentators are kind of in on it to a degree. They would not be liable for anything they have done but the people who told them to sell this bill of goods would be.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:20 PM   #5870
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How many 1-3 / 2-5 crushers (there are many) have survived the move up to higher stakes, even 5-10? Andrew Neeme? no. Jeff Boski? no the list is long of people stuck at low stakes, unable to move up, so desperate to get out of a tight life spot they're making youtube videos. Good on them!

But to suggest he just MOVE UP overlooks the reality that this 1-3 plays much higher occasionally, just with guys who are fish in 1-3. You'd really move up in this pond?

His explanations sound off in my opinion -- but I'm not good at reading off. Nothing coming from Postle has mitigated the accusations against him so far as my opinion can tell.

Also, I want to add in case Postle is reading this: stop talking. This is common sense even though I am not a professional anything. Get a lawyer too, but imo first stop talking. Whether you are innocent or guilty.
I think Neeme made less than 40k last year playing. Postle claims to have crushed everything he's ever played, and claims he would beat Polk heads up. He claims he's in the top 1% of players. If that's true, he wouldn't play 1/3 for a living. Doesn't add up.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:25 PM   #5871
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How many 1-3 / 2-5 crushers (there are many) have survived the move up to higher stakes, even 5-10? Andrew Neeme? no. Jeff Boski? no the list is long of people stuck at low stakes, unable to move up, so desperate to get out of a tight life spot they're making youtube videos. Good on them!

But to suggest he just MOVE UP overlooks the reality that this 1-3 plays much higher occasionally, just with guys who are fish in 1-3. You'd really move up in this pond?

His explanations sound off in my opinion -- but I'm not good at reading off. Nothing coming from Postle has mitigated the accusations against him so far as my opinion can tell.

Also, I want to add in case Postle is reading this: stop talking. This is common sense even though I am not a professional anything. Get a lawyer too, but imo first stop talking. Whether you are innocent or guilty.
He is up 100s of thousands of dollars. He could easily take a shot at 10/20. HPC has/had a 5/10 no cap buyin. Its idiocy to think someone up that much would not at least try moving up. Commerce has a $5/10 game you can buyin for 500-1500. That is a super juicy game with tons of Persian jewelers around. I've made a **** ton of money on that game. He could easily afford to give higher stakes a go.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:27 PM   #5872
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There is no reason to investigate Justin he isn't suspicious.
''IF THERE'S CHEATING HE WILL QUIT HIS JOB''

so... he is either a cheater or unemployed

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:27 PM   #5873
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vaF...outu.be&t=1167

Like the commentators, I watch this and go 'wtf?!' lol

Question about the RFID excuse:

Watch from around 21:40.

He never turns his cards over. He throws them straight in the muck.
They land infront of the dealer face down. The dealer scoops up all cards.
The RFID computer has registered the cards as 88.

So how does anyone decide that the computer is wrong and they think it is now exactly '78'? This is a lie.
If the RFID doesn't know the cards, and noone else saw the cards, then there is no other information.
I think that he did have 88.


Here they are later discussing that same hand:
https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1505

"So Rita's asking why the call on the river if he knows he's beat?"

25:25 Kasey: "Justin just said he didn't have 88, he had 78"

It's not necessarily Justin's idea.
Either someone on the team told Justin this fake info, to relay it to Kasey, or the idea came out of Justin's head.
Exactly. The only way Justin could have learned Mike had a different hand than what the RFID graphics displayed is if Mike told Justin, or Mike told another Stones employee who then told Justin. The hole cards are relayed in real-time and the commentary is on a 30-minute delay, so I scanned 30 minutes of the video after the hand was over to see if Justin or another floor person ever came to the table and it doesn't appear they did. There were however multiple instances where Mike was texting during that 30 minute interval, so that seems to be the only way Mike could have told Justin or another Stones employee. And even if that were the case why would a Stones employee with access with real-time hole card information be communicating with one of the players about his holdings in a hand? That would be highly improper. So in any scenario this doesn't look good for Justin or Stones.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:28 PM   #5874
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Totally random and unsubstantiated theory, but hadn’t seen it anywhere itt and wanted to be on the record if I hit my one-outer:

Maybe Mike has major dirt on one of the Stones higher-ups and managed to leverage that into his “God” status on the show. It fits with Mike’s character to blackmail someone in order to get the respect he thinks he deserves. And it also seems like the most probable explanation(s) for his operation require the assistance of someone in the Stones house. Money might have motivated that person, but I don’t buy it: this is a crazy risky play and even most criminals don’t break the law unless they feel they have to. It also explains why Mike was able to keep the racket up for so long: he knew he had someone and that that someone couldn’t talk.

This is such a horrible post, full of baseless conjecture. The last bolded item is one of most ridiculous claims I've ever heard.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:29 PM   #5875
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Mike calls down a lesser full house...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vaF...outu.be&t=1167

The suspicous play is explained as RFID error by Justin in youtube chat.

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1505

JFK - Mike didn't have 88, he had 78
Fattrain - Ohhhh makes sense
JFK - ​He is good but he is not that good
JFK - RFID error
Russ McGinley - ​Thanks Justin
JFK - I went and asked him, turned open ended and rivered a pair

edit: just highlighting the youtube chat
My point is that he mucked that hand, face down, nobody at the table saw it except Mike.
So it doesn't matter what Mike did or didn't say afterwards to anyone. He could say anything.

I'm curious if there is a timestamp of them talking within 30 mins of that hand? Not that it means anything if they did talk (because Mike can lie).
But it does prove something, if they didn't talk in that time window.

If the RFID doesn't know the cards, and noone else saw the cards, then there is no other information.
I think the RFID computer was right, and he did have 88.
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