"He plays very loose preflop and plays very well postflop. He has tremendous poker instincts."

Wow. Great effort.

This made me laugh and interestingly enough, message my own IT guy at my company to ask if one of my employees could do this on our company computers. His short answer was "no"; something about my employees not having administrative access to install/uninstall anything. So, do you believe all Stones' employees have administrative access? I don't know. What I do know, granted it's merely anecdotal, every job I ever had where the company issued me a laptop or computer; all I could do was use the laptop/computer and the programs on it. I couldn't even install a different calendar program without having to get an IT guy to do it. I suspect alot of companies lock down their computers in a similar fashion. But who knows.

I love this hand. My favorite part is his table talk after his shove, while the other dude is tanking. He's not even pretending to try to get a hero call out of a worse hand because he knows his opponent's entire range is AK.

While it is possible Mike did all of this by himself, it is not very likely. If you were to tell me that someone cheated on a stream, I would immediately think 3 ppl were involved. Guy playing, guy with authority ie floorman, guy on production. Now this is not enough to just randomly pick Justin just for being the floorman in charge. There is circumstantial evidence supporting this claim. This type of post comes up at least once or twice a day, and it is quite tilting for someone who has been actively involved. Guy with <10 posts writes a long post summarizing everything and then questions this and that. My advice, if you want to be heard, get involved with the discussion. Bring up evidence. Justin is extremely likely to be involved. It has been spoken about ad nauseam how it has been spoken about ad nauseam that he is involved. You've seen us here defend the commentators, that there is just not enough data to find them culpable, even when Joey and Doug say that they are highly suspicious. There is more than a reasonable doubt, that Justin is involved. Yes, it is possible he isn't, but the data we have to go on shows that he most likely is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4EJ6otUu0Q&t=100s

Watch this video and tell me the commentators and justin are innocent. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If you truly watched any of the shady footage from the commentators I find it very hard to believe anybody can say that they are not even suspicious. There is no more evidence to find for Mike. Mike did it everybody knows that, what we dont know is who the accomplice(s) are. Also claiming mike might have done this all on his own just makes me think your trying to defend someone other than mike thats probably guilty.

http://www.capradio.org/articles/201...gambling-hall/

Stone's said the gaming commission is investigating.

There is also a chance that people were added as time goes. Lets say the offchance Mike did this on his own and got trojan on justins laptop as they were close friends. He didn't start out with bone conducting headphones right away maybe he was getting worried about looking at his phone too often. He would have had someone receive the same raw data hes getting but relay it to him via the headphones. A tweet was posted earlier in the thread someone reporting Mike to Justin months ago. There is a chance he wasn't in on it but rather just started to cover for his friend or maybe this is when he got himself in on it.

There's a chance that whoever hes working with may not be behind the scenes either. If Mike was able to put trojan on and needed someone to relay the information to him he wouldn't pick someone who's behind the scenes.


Also Godeep is clearly either Mike or his accomplice. In the offchance you're serious....the reason mike doesn't get a stake for nosebleeds is hes not a crusher in 2019. It can debated what he did 14 years ago but isn't worth the debate because its irrelevant.

Also we may wanna look closely at what topics where being discussed when godeep popped up because hes clearly trying to take away from the real discussion by making people respond to him.

"Stones Gambling Hall says it has hired a former U.S. attorney to investigate the accusations. The California Gambling Control Board is investigating, as well, according to Stones, but the agency declined to confirm or comment."

"The Department of Justice is investigating a professional poker player for hundreds of thousands of dollars in Texas Hold 'em wins at Stones Gambling Hall in Citrus Heights"

Thanks.

If you look at this thread from just the right angle, it's the greatest game of Werewolf ever played ...

i even mis-spoke earlier and said he would never expect a >500bb downswing, but it's actually far more absurd. mike's results are nearly 6 times the upper end of any expected distribution of cards over a 400 hour sample for the strongest players in the game. with a ~275bb/100 winrate, it says the minimum bankroll required for <5% risk of ruin is a whopping 54 big blinds.

to clarify, what that means is that in any given 400 hour sample of poker from mike, there would only be a 5% chance that he ever once lost >54bb in a hand or even had a 54bb downswing- and this is with an observed vpip >60, doing **** like coldcalling 4bets with 95o.

LOL

it's statistically impossible that he isn't cheating.

This is exactly what i mean... 2 posters who have been "very" involved contradicting each other in mere seconds.....

I do NOT believe at all the commentators are in on it..... not for a second...One might have had KNOWLEDGE of it going on or suspecting things, but "in on it" i dont believe...

Also..as soon as someone posts something that seems pretty reasonable (of course i think I am posting something reasonable) this person (me) gets accused of trying to protect people involved.....
sorry to disappoint you... never even heard of any of the commentators/players/Tech people or any other person involved....

I just dont THINK there is any evidence for saying Justin is 100% guilty.... Mike... no doubt.... Justin... not so much... as i said i think he probably was more gullible then guilty...... I might be wrong and would not be surprised at all, but there is no evidence at all..... The fact he is in Vegas when there is no god mode can easily be explained that Mike NEEDS to have access to his laptop/setup to log into the stream to see the hole cards....

Lets be honest here for a second.. we have had accusations against Taylor and Lance and almost everyone apart of the waiters........thats the part i dont like and thats the reason i READ all before posting here.....

you forgot lousy ranges pre flop + godmode post flop
he didn't even care to play good ranges pre lol

Looks like Mac VerStandig is on the case for a civil lawsuit. He is also Jonathan Little's personal lawyer.

To the people saying "the lawyer will just say its the same odds as winning lotto"

The scatter graph of lotto winners does not have massive outliers like potripper and postle



Its smoother than that. Other division winners etc. so there are dots all the way out to the big win. Not just a cluster and then 1 dot anomaly

Very basic example below of the type of scatter graph lottery winners would have (i get its jackpot wins v ticket sales), but you get the idea of gradual winners closer to 1st division jackpot winners. Not just a cluster and outlier

Mike Postle ladies and gentlemen

I am not attacking you in any way, but I have to ask:

1. How many jury trials have you done as a prosecutor?;
2. How many jury trials have you done as a criminal defense attorney?

As someone who has tried hundreds of jury trials both as a prosecutor and defense attorney I find some of your posts to be naive at best.

I prosecuted homicide and rape cases back when dna evidence was first introduced and was not generally understood/accepted. You underestimate how difficulf it is to explain statistical evidence to a jury of lay people. Thinking that you could explain win rates and standard deviations as applied to poker in 4 hours is not realistic. I have spent 4 days putting on expert witnesses to explain complex evidence to a jury.

How many complex criminal investigations have you overseen? I supervised hundreds of complex criminal investigations as a prosecutor. Let me be clear, I personally believe that MP is a cheater. Further, I am not claiming that criminal charges will not be brought nor that they would fail to result in a conviction. However, your certitude regarding how likely/easy such a prosecution would be is, in my opinion, misplaced.

I went thru Postles twitter replies. So many people calling him a boss/fan girling or questioning his plays and most of the time he replies with LOL I'd been drinking.

Now again onto the commentators. They all probably considered Mike a friend. They had spent time with him outside of the poker room. Can you imagine even if you suspect, how hard it is to pull the trigger? Imagine if you are wrong. Look at this tweet from Veronica. Lay off the commentary team.

My current estimate is that Postle is working alone, and he was able to relay a feed (using his technical knowledge which he's trying to downplay) of the RFID software to his phone. We know the security was extremely lax in the peek room. When they banned phones he was able to write or acquire code which read out-loud the hole cards to his bone conduction headphones.

We've seen Postle cheat while Justin is commentating, so how does it make sense that the two are working together?

I think he would have just found a friend who's not in poker world to relay the information to him for the bone conducting side of things. Person either tells him by voice or a text to voice app.

Another thing that was sad for me to see was how much of his life revolved around Stones. Not just the stream, but the tournies and his social circle. He really was the poker room hero; now he is the ultimate villian. His head must be all over the place.

Well, the difference is that I have spent time defending the commentators and actually addressed the claims against them. You just came in on a white horse with 8 posts saying Justin isn't guilty while never addressing any of the evidence against him, only saying it is "possible" he isnt. Please speak, the floor is open.

What's really blowing my mind is their is a very clear online vs live mentality at play here. If you saw someone playing like this online over a decent sample and crushing, you would be instantly suspicious! So many people live were not, because he was always taking in pots and stacking chips.

I'll tell you they might very well be innocent. A few post above yours there was a professional poker player with a PGC thread who credited his play, professional players who played him regularly weren't bothered by his play or not sure enough to speak up, the lady who ignited this was praising his play for months before starting to have doubts. It's unreasonable to be sure anyone watching his play multiple times without the hindsight advantage we have and was praising him is thus involved. Suspicious is up for debate, but all commentators talked in a similar way about Mike and surely they aren't all involved. The way they spoke about him thus isn't a very relevant factor.

You can discuss without your habitual insults, anti-social comments and random accusations.

Ha this is from my PG&C thread ... seemed accurate at the time, and pretty lol in retrospect for sure.