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Old 10-01-2019, 03:59 PM   #551
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currently going thru all of stones videos on youtube to figure out his winrate/total winnings and im seeing mike in the 1 seat a lot
This outta be good
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:01 PM   #552
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currently going thru all of stones videos on youtube to figure out his winrate/total winnings and im seeing mike in the 1 seat a lot
First off, *popcorn gif at figuring out his winrate, it will be interesting to see how statistical probable or improbable it is.

Can you think of any reason why he would play in the one seat if he was cheating?
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:02 PM   #553
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Im all for giving someone the benefit of the doubt as i know how it feels to be wrongfully accused of cheating at a sport. But the evidence is overwhelming.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:11 PM   #554
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It's pretty clear that listening to Postle talk about hands he doesn't understand poker theory at all, from both his time in the booth and his replies on twitter.

There's a hand on twitter he posts as part of his "proof" that he wasn't cheating was a hand where he called a 3 bet with 86o against 72, called a cbet on T85r, called a turn cbet on Qx, and then tank folded on the river on a J (QJT95) with 86o, where a river call would have been so ridiculous that everyone would know that he would be cheating. He talks through his thought process during this hand, saying that he knew his opponent would have 1 of 3 combos of hands that he beats, and he loses to the other 2.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:14 PM   #555
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I live in the area an play the bigger games at Thunder Valley and Stones. I've mostly managed to avoid Mike mainly because outside of the live stream Mike is completely absent from the mid/higher stakes poker games in the Sacramento area. It makes me sick to think of how the staff at stones turned Mike into a meme and the spam texts Justin would send to get me into the live stream games. I also feel incredibly stupid for not putting it all together.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:16 PM   #556
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LMAO , the hands Mike posted on twitter in his defence...he actually called a 40$ bet on the river and loses the maddive 120$ pot. Next hand he posts is the 86 hand in his defence, while acually it serves as anything but his defence, he just realizes that he just can not make that call or it would just be too much, he is calling a massive bet on turn and looking to call almost all rivers except only 9, K and A. .what a joke.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:17 PM   #557
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yea clearly villain only has 2 combos of AK there, flat calls pre with the other 14

live reads bro
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:17 PM   #558
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Wouldn't it be nice if the whole game was a set up, that they all knew it was fake and BS and they were just doing it to try to make the game more entertaining. Hell, it's so ridiculous I'm surprised they didn't already start a new poker boom based on white magic.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:18 PM   #559
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This is truly disturbing as an example of how dangerous streaming games are. Mike Postle et al are obvious morons. What happens if (when?) smart and sophisticated people decide they want to cheat? Most streamed/televised games are way higher stakes. Most people are not this stupid.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:21 PM   #560
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Also here is a screen cap showing the posture Mike has during every live cash stream where he played his ridiculous aggro style.


Compared to a 50k guaranteed tourney where he exhibited pretty standard play.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:25 PM   #561
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This is truly disturbing as an example of how dangerous streaming games are. Mike Postle et al are obvious morons. What happens if (when?) smart and sophisticated people decide they want to cheat? Most streamed/televised games are way higher stakes. Most people are not this stupid.
i'm sure it's already happened/happening
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:25 PM   #562
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https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg

Hand at 41:00. I mean...if he’s not cheating he’s the greatest.
There should be half a dozen hands like this where the flush comes in and he bluffs it w 7 high into the nuts.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:27 PM   #563
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lol phone always on his lap during the cash game stream, phone on the rail during MTT :O
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:28 PM   #564
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From Mike's Pocketfives profile and old threads

https://gyazo.com/635be3973388646499a1c24b21216da7

https://gyazo.com/7cc72a7076969b45cf07c41b00a6e55a

Also it might be time to look into other live streams that could have been using the same cheating method/technology (no proof, just worth looking into)

2 other cases that ring a bell is:

Phil Nagy winning his own Cage event which was live streamed, which also had the same commentator calling the action.

Martin Kabrhel Back 2 back super high roller at kings casino, acting very sus during hands always tanking and making lots of distracting noise while possibly getting info.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:30 PM   #565
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If I played in this game and lost one of these big hands on stream to him, I would probably start looking into legal representation. Not saying you would get anything but if there is proof that casino employees are in on this then with out a doubt there is some major legal **** on hand.

Anyone reach out to any gaming boards in cali or anything?
Your honor, How the hell does he find a fold there? it's just so sick your honor
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:31 PM   #566
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Also here is a screen cap showing the posture Mike has during every live cash stream where he played his ridiculous aggro style.


Compared to a 50k guaranteed tourney where he exhibited pretty standard play.
And no cap pulled low hiding his eyes

But if you can cheat in cash, why not streamed fts? What was his posture and headwear like on his 36k spring classic win?

Any of his buds on this ft? Maybe it was someone else's turn that day
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:31 PM   #567
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i'm sure it's already happened/happening
yea i mean that's what I'm getting at...
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:32 PM   #568
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Fold KK to 4bet when villain had AA but call 4bet shove with 54o when both oponnents had AKo,nothing to see here guys just live reads.
even more impressive considering he doesn't even look at his opponents. truly the GOAT

I remember once I was at the bar with a buddy watching baseball. We had corner seats and the TV he was watching was HD while mine was not. Back then the HD feed was always like 20-30 seconds behind. So just wanting to screw with him a bit I started calling the pitches before they happened. Here's a strike, here's a ball, bet he fouls the next one off, etc. etc. For whatever reason he could not figure out how I was getting these right so I started getting more outlandish..."ball slightly outside", "fly out to right" etc. etc. and he started getting really freaked out. His brain never put it together. IDK that anecdote feels kinda relevant right now.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:34 PM   #569
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Not a defender, like Joey I think he’s either the GOAT or OOL.

But I feel an obligation to show he doesn’t win every session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7QrK6wYz0w

(23:00) starts session losing AK to AA all-in preflop. Rebuys 2500. (1:24) Massive 3way pot - Postle Nut flush draw vs flopped straight w/ flush redraw vs TPTK, loses. Rebuy $2700. (4:19) Massive flip, chop pot

When he loses it seems to be when he gambles. Still no massive plays on river where he’s wrong though.

Getting in AK to AA means he’s not _always_ superusing though.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:35 PM   #570
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Also here is a screen cap showing the posture Mike has during every live cash stream where he played his ridiculous aggro style.


Compared to a 50k guaranteed tourney where he exhibited pretty standard play.
Will you remember where you were when #CrotchGate2019 happened?
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:37 PM   #571
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Mike "Poker Apostle" Postle gives making the nuts a whole different meaning.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:40 PM   #572
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I would also like to know if there are any perfect plays when he is sat beside the dealer and playing against the player on the other side of the dealer such that his opponent is totally out of site and therefore there is no opportunity for physical reads.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:42 PM   #573
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starting to see him in seat 2-4 a lot as well, so seat 1 was likely just his fav at the time
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:43 PM   #574
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Really hurts me to say this because when I played on Stones they were all super, super nice to me. Like an unbelievable level of hospitality from staff.

This is horrible for their room, it is without a doubt that this dude is cheating.

Bluffraises every single spot perfectly, absolutely zero blowups even with the fact he runs some ridiculous bluff I'd have on my lifetime highlight reel like once an orbit. Considering ridic hero calls all the time. The hands Mike provided as proof were spots where calls with 2pr on a 4 flush for 40$ and another spot he wants to herocall 4th pair on a one liner in a 3bp. Really great hero fold mike.

I actually feel bad because I had my own suspicions as well as a friend of mine who played with Postle that told me privately he thought he was cheating. I brushed it off as live variance with some idiot whale running hot, but I was sold on him being a cheater probably about 2-3mo ago when I did my own review.

I never actually played with Postle and I purposely avoided him, not because I thought he was good but because I really did think there was fishy **** going on. I would clone this guy 7 times and play against 8 Postle's until my ****ing body shut down.

Despite never playing with him, I have skimmed lots and lots of hours of Stones footage to make training videos, a lot of which contained Postle.

This dude did so much unbelievably bad stuff that worked out in every single spot. Now all these hands are public, as well as the fact he has some sort of tech/RFID background/helped set up stones and he deleted his LinkedIn that referenced all those skills.

It really is this simple. You aren't going to beat 5/5 for 30-50k a month playing 60% preflop. This is just not what winners do, this guy isn't some ****ing savant. He's a complete nobody that has probably never looked at a solver output in his life and he is touted as the best player ever by stones staff. A lot of Sac regs were suspicious of him cheating for a very long time now and they purposefully avoided the stream. Mike also usually stands up as soon as the stream ends and avoids bigger games with the same group of players off camera.

I won't exactly condemn stones staff/commentators etc for turning this guy into a God with the memes and praise and stuff. Not to sound too egotistical or be outright mean, but listening to Stones commentary is often pretty brutal in terms of strat, sorry to my friends over there but they are absolutely clueless.

IMO live poker commentary is much better suited to be entertaining as opposed to educational because theorizing is pretty god damn boring. It is what it is.

I genuinely believe that all those people at Stones are just clueless in terms of what reasonable ranges/lines look like and then they see Postle and it's just "OMG THIS DUDE IS AMAZING".

I probably witnessed much less of this than they have over the years, but I do give them a pass based on pure lack of understanding of poker.

It sucks there likely will be no smoking gun and even if there is, he won't find justice and that money is going to be completely gone. I know someone personally who lost over 10k to Postle, my friend that texted me about him cheating.

Really ****ed up spot, also kudos to Veronica for bringing this to the forefront cause she has much bigger balls than I do. Kind of daunting to publicly accuse a guy of cheating without the smoking gun.

I'm actually glad the community came together and sort of reviewed all this stuff so now theres just so many hands and weird **** that everyone found that in my mind its basically beyond any doubt that the guy is cheating.



Also: when I played on Stones we all drew for seats before the show. You were allowed to move into an empty seat if someone had left.
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Old 10-01-2019, 04:43 PM   #575
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in the AQs flush stream he was on fire, not many good cards all session but 2 cool 3bet pots:

first, he calls 3b with J7s (vs 99), calls half pot on QT3r flop (ok?), and raise the turn barrel on 7d, other dude folds.

in the second 3bet pot he xf AK on TJ4s4 vs turn 1/4 pot bet. (other guy had TT) pretty tight fold.

he made two bluffs on the turn 5way vs 4 unpaired hands which is remarkable live read.

the only hand postflop he had good equity and folded was Q2o on AKQx, the other dude bluffed 5way with Jd9d flushdraw.

he bluffed almost pot size with JdT on A7x77ddd, when the other dude had KdQ, but basicly any Ax in his range. lucky card distribution.

he check/called JsJ on AQ6Tsss vs 56s flush, and lead the Ko river pretty small (1/3) to avoid a big bet from villain. (other guy didnt even raise river, i was very curious if hes going to call or fold vs a raise. )
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