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Old 10-07-2019, 11:24 AM   #5351
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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After reading most of the posts in this thread, watching several videos, following twitter etc.for thepst three days it is my opinion that only two people were involved.
Justin
Lance
Taylor

These 3 are the most likely suspects. No way Mike worked alone and I find it really hard to believe Justin is innocent.

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Wtf. How dense is Daniel to refer to the 1-3 stakes when the entire point is how much money Postle crushed that game for?
He supported Hillary and said "more rake is better", what did you expect.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:24 AM   #5352
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not that i think it is super relevant regarding the cheating allegations, but still. is someone already trying to verify/disprove the story of his profit at UB? do we know his sn?

sorry if this has been adressed already, just too much stuff to go through.


amazing job to everyone involved bringing this forward, what a sickening story
YngmanN4Quiki on UB.

I found this from 2006:

Most Money at one 2/4NL table???

https://www.pocketfives.com/forums/t...comment-859614


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like a 30 some hr session
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lol yes, long session- just under 20 hrs-- fun nite
Most likely did some money back in the days, but it was freaking 13yrs ago. Irrelevant in todays games.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:25 AM   #5353
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Have you considered what he says about the guy? He is a f good player. Coming from Moneymaker that's good enough for me.. I did some research on the videos but now like Joey had of course. My point is: if Mike Matusow didn't see anything wrong with the 3 hands. Which were the most talked about. The 45 hand Moneymaker didn't even feel he was cheated on...

It doesn't look good from a certain standpoint.. That's all I am saying and what Moneymaker was saying. It doenst look good. Let him prove and don't jump the gun.

I have no affiliation with either Mike. BUT I hate to see am imnocent men being proscecuted by an angry mob.
Does it bother you that people have literally calculated Mikes win rate on every stream he has played in, in over a year and found that his winrate is statistically IMPOSSIBLE? The man wins at a higher rate than any player we have ever seen in the history of poker EVER and his winrate is actually higher than the ****ing superuser (Potripper) on Ultimate bet back in the day. Mike has played 10,000 hands on live stream do you realize how important this data is? The odds of mike winning at a rate this high over 10,000 is literally impossible and simply CANNOT happen without cheating. Combine this with the Hundreds of examples of shady play and well..... Yeah he cheated. BTW basing your analysis off of the podcast that was literally the least believable podcast I think the world has ever seen and will be a meme for years and years to come just makes me think you are either Mike himself or one of the people that is in on this whole scandal.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:25 AM   #5354
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I think what may have happened here is that several people had access to the twitch stream key. More than 1 person needs access to the twitch stream key because stones streams like 4 days a week. Which means different people are in charge on different days. And if you have access to the stream key then you have access to the non delayed feed. I just watched a stream where the broadcaster types “justin get off the account in the twitch chat”. The video is below.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/360589063?t=7995s
It should be time stamped around 02:13:00. Keep an eye on the chat replay.
I don't believe this is true. The commentators are engaging in real time with chat - there is no delay on Twitch. They're watching the delayed content in real time, so the Twitch key doesn't matter.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:27 AM   #5355
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And if you have access to the stream key then you have access to the non delayed feed.
This makes no sense. If you were using Twitch itself to add the delay, maybe. But that's not what's happening. Nothing gets streamed to Twitch/Youtube until 30 mins after live action when the booth commentary and graphics are combined with the pokergfx graphics into one video stream.




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Old 10-07-2019, 11:28 AM   #5356
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

@Go Deep AKA Mike

you should really start over, create a new account (so we can plausibly believe this isn't you) and defend yourself formally not with "but I think he's good" but rather addressing specifics

i agree with a lot of points that this has reached an absurd point such as people offering bounties for evidence, thinking the commentators are all in on it, thinking that you have awful fashion sense, etc, etc

but I'm sure a lot of this would slow down if you made an actual statement

for example, on matusow, I don't think you ever actually denied anything, you're entire argument was that the winrate was incorrect - yet that doesn't account anything else and even if that win rate were 1/5th as high, then it's still an absurd statistical outlier only explained by cheating or an act of god

that interview where you didn't actually address anything and only said it was the win rate was what sealed it for me, not this 5k comments of speculative nonsense

create a new thread, do an AMA and answer the questions - this is really you're only shot at swaying any opinion to your side - we've all seen the evidence and it doesn't add up to anything other than cheating

creating sock puppet accounts to pretend to be other people is just absurd and further incriminates you in the eyes of the public

create a fresh account, contact the mods, do an AMA
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:30 AM   #5357
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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not that i think it is super relevant regarding the cheating allegations, but still. is someone already trying to verify/disprove the story of his profit at UB? do we know his sn?


Last game played Feb 2011. There is an account on WPN under the same name, only 8 games played.

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S.../yngmanN4quiki
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:30 AM   #5358
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Decided to watch some of this 5/10 stream from 01/12/19 where Mike profited over 20k. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc The way he plays he has to know what cards are coming in the future. Hand at 1.23.11 he calls A2o pre against single raise who has QQ; multiway on A106 board he RAISES a bet on the flop and a Q ends up hitting the river. At 1.28.29 he raises K5 suited pre and flops KQ2 with the best hand. Its pretty scary. And then the hand at 1.05.00 when he bluffs JQQK turn with 85s against 87. OK
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:31 AM   #5359
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

@GoDeep: CMONEYMAKER says:

"Have said I think he did it
8:18 PM - 2 Oct 2019 "

https://twitter.com/CMONEYMAKER/stat...96448654082049
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:37 AM   #5360
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I don't believe this is true. The commentators are engaging in real time with chat - there is no delay on Twitch. They're watching the delayed content in real time, so the Twitch key doesn't matter.
You can set a manual delay on twitch. Your right i might be wrong on this one. Very interesting though that in the chat they say “Justin get off the account”. As if 2 people have access to it at the same time. Interesting...
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:38 AM   #5361
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@Go Deep AKA Mike

create a new thread, do an AMA and answer the questions -

great idea.

He'll never do it though. He couldn't take the heat from the NVG Mob.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:41 AM   #5362
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I mean, what's the cheater explanation here, how the **** would the booth guy know turn and river? Like, even if that man was in on the cheating, try to conjure up a way for him to know turn and river. There isn't one.
Easy, deck is stacked for Mike. How does commentator knows that? He's in on it and was shown the deck in advance. One stacked deck a session that commentators get to split up! Instant money printing. No variance, no skill. Just corrupted chain-of-custody to introduce deck. Maybe this was the low-brow hustle to balance the snitching budget.
Stones Cheating Team used many different sophisticated methods. All of the Team were compensated fairly or they would have spoken up by now.

Goes towards the mythos of Mike's UNBELIEVABLE luck as well. "Mike gets it in BAD too! But he STILL ALWAYS WINS. Wowowow THIN MINT VALUE" in prison for those involved. (RIP Doyle) (POTRIPPER/POSTLE2020) Vammmoooooooooo fu luck

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:42 AM   #5363
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Decided to watch some of this 5/10 stream from 01/12/19 where Mike profited over 20k. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc The way he plays he has to know what cards are coming in the future. Hand at 1.23.11 he calls A2o pre against single raise who has QQ; multiway on A106 board he RAISES a bet on the flop and a Q ends up hitting the river. At 1.28.29 he raises K5 suited pre and flops KQ2 with the best hand. Its pretty scary. And then the hand at 1.05.00 when he bluffs JQQK turn with 85s against 87. OK
That youtube link is not working, says video unavailable. However, I don't understand how any of the hands you described are evidence that he knows what cards are coming in the future?

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Yes private information received + information/connections I've found that aren't strong enough to talk about + my own take on the situation from everything I've watched.

Will get more into it as time goes along.
Thanks for responding. There must be a lot of behind the scenes talk going on that we don't know about, and I understand why. Just don't wanna see people go too deep off the conspiracy madness end without evidence (see post directly above this lol). Keep up the good work etc.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:47 AM   #5364
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

There is a hand where he folded KK on QQxx and a K hit on the river, so he knew his opponents cards from the RFID, but didn't know what would be dealt.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:49 AM   #5365
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I don't see how it's possible, even with technology of today.. to know what cards are coming. Hence why he isn't making too many moves preflop.. He generally plays larger pots where he knows he has odds and can make plays after seeing the community cards.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #5366
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Why would you say such a thing? If he doesn't go to jail he's not done. Cheaters generally don't go away and it's not like he is now set for life based on what he stole.
He stole north of 300k. I would be set for life! to think a slime bucket like him would actually be able to save letalone gross a quarter million dollars you must be out your mind.

I would be happy with 50k and be set for life. tbh

I dont know what planet you are on but they dont call rich ppl rich for a reason. Its not like everyone needs millions of dollars to live. You must be one delusional guy to think the average person/family needs hundreds of thousands to live. Most dont make close to that much money in their entire life.

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:52 AM   #5367
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Decided to watch some of this 5/10 stream from 01/12/19 where Mike profited over 20k. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc The way he plays he has to know what cards are coming in the future. Hand at 1.23.11 he calls A2o pre against single raise who has QQ; multiway on A106 board he RAISES a bet on the flop and a Q ends up hitting the river. At 1.28.29 he raises K5 suited pre and flops KQ2 with the best hand. Its pretty scary. And then the hand at 1.05.00 when he bluffs JQQK turn with 85s against 87. OK
But then the hand around 1:40:00 disproves above theory. He has 106dd against opponents 55 on 1075dd flop. He ends up making 2 pair on the river and betting a small amount (1/5 pot lol). It's very likely he was in tune with his image at this stage and knew it would look ridiculous to check back river or play it in a greedier way. UPDATED LINK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AADIsPTsxc
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:56 AM   #5368
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Is Joey supposed to go live in 5 minutes?
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:59 AM   #5369
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Supposed to but no link yet.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:01 PM   #5370
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I did a search of all the VNC and Remote Desktop apps for iOS to see if any had a blue background in their app screens. Came up with Google's Chrome Remote Desktop. I installed it on my iPhone and sync'd to a Chrome browser I had running on my desktop. Here's what the connect screen looks like on my phone, as compared to a screen grab from the video. I've also included a screen grab of the app information page from Apple's app store.



Notice how in addition to the blue background both have a white bar at the top of the screen. This is where the app shows the list of systems available to connect to.
I had a theory that the suspicious phone use was him viewing the hole cards on the production computer remotely on his smart phone, which is actually quite easy to set up in numerous ways.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:05 PM   #5371
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Have you considered what he says about the guy? He is a f good player. Coming from Moneymaker that's good enough for me.. I did some research on the videos but now like Joey had of course. My point is: if Mike Matusow didn't see anything wrong with the 3 hands. Which were the most talked about. The 45 hand Moneymaker didn't even feel he was cheated on...

It doesn't look good from a certain standpoint.. That's all I am saying and what Moneymaker was saying. It doenst look good. Let him prove and don't jump the gun.

I have no affiliation with either Mike. BUT I hate to see am imnocent men being proscecuted by an angry mob.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:10 PM   #5372
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The people doing the investigation MUST include some professional poker players so they can talk about how impossible it is the way he’s playing these hands. If this is just a bunch of people looking for devices he’s gonna get off.
the forensics on the computer system should prove there was a hack and say more than enough of whats was going on. they dont need any professionals to tell them that "he should have bet/fold" His winning per hand and win rate and playing stats should say more than enough
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:11 PM   #5373
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the forensics on the computer system should prove there was a hack and say more than enough of whats was going on. they dont need any professionals to tell them that "he should have bet/fold" His winning per hand and win rate and playing stats should say more than enough
Those are long gone now I'm sure.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:17 PM   #5374
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Created a new 2+2 account after years to chime in on this

One thing - has anybody set about mirroring all of the live streams on YouTube? I assume that a preservation of records request from a civil lawyer or a subpoena/warrants from the gov is at least days away - so there is a risk of this all being lost/deleted before it is completely analysed (a great lawyer will tell you that the best and only time to destroy evidence is before it becomes evidence)

There is an app called youtube-dl[0] that downloads youtube in full best quality (which also makes the freeze frames a lot better than the screenshots most have been posting in this thread) - it just needs a bit of an effort to coordinate and store all the streams somewhere

Ditto twitter feeds (almost certain some are about to be deleted) and pages which can be fed into archive.is

One regret with this incident is that it all unfolded in public (although Mike is unarguably an idiot for speaking) so the trail can be covered up to an extent

edit: i've back up his tweets. if there are any other twitter accounts to backup let me know. if you want to backup the streams:

1. save this file: https://pastebin.com/raw/bxxBiVmn

2. run:

youtube-dl -c --format 303 -a postle-streams.txt --write-info-json

where postle-streams.txt is the downloaded file list of streams


[0] https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/index.html

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Old 10-07-2019, 12:18 PM   #5375
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Someone should make a video compilation of everytime Postle laughs in the other players face.
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