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Old 10-07-2019, 10:01 AM   #5301
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Question Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

TO Joey und Doug,

This is getting ridiculous! Yes you had me aboard when I watched your videos with the claims. BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE A WITCHHUNT!

I am an avid poker player and really liked both of yours videos. Chicago Joey back in the "what's up papi!?!" day's and Doug twitch grindings were awesome!

But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

- Chris Moneymaker has a long past of playing with him in countless joints and he says:
HE (Postle) is a "really good f@#@@ing player" why don't you take this into consideration?

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?
They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.

In my opinion that alone is straight up crazy. (STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

-MIKE Matusow looked at 3 key hands b4 the interview and found nothing unusual!
IF DURRR PULLS OF A MOVE LIKE THIS OR IVEY (3-4 BETTING ON THE RIVER WITH AIR YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS STRAIGHT UP GENIOUS AND WORSHIP THEM, YET HERE YOU BASH THE GUY AND SAY IT'S EVIDENCE? MIKE MATUSOW WHO I TRUST WITH HIS JUDGMENT SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAND HE SAYS...

-Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.

-the original accuser is supposely a losing player (angry polak)
I watched her play and have to agree. It's even in her name she is a sour loser
Watching her comment the QJ HAND was very tilting. HE folded to Marley on the turn to with top pair so what? Good play in my books. And she is mumbling 10 times that's crazy! No it's not! That's what good payers do when facing big bets with marginal hands. That's why she is losing probably.

- HIS HENDON MOB LOOKS GOOD

I'm on my phone and can't see too much but will continue in next post
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:04 AM   #5302
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:05 AM   #5303
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:05 AM   #5304
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Here are the key points..


And FYI, Moneymaker has since said he believes he's cheating.

Edit: Joey got there first!

What Pro's are vouching for him? Literally all the pro's I've seen have said he's cheating, even DNEGS.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:05 AM   #5305
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GoDeep, you haven't done the research. If you have you would see what Chris MoneyMaker has stated in regards to the events over the past week. Your playing devils advocate here in the sense that you need to go and watch the evidence. After you watch hours of the evidence then draw a conclusion. You seem to draw your conclusion based off the Matusow interview and 3 hands…. REALLY????


Watch how he plays in non god mode streams and just compare his body language to god mode streams. That's one thing I recommend you can do.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:06 AM   #5306
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But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?

They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.
You're missing the point. It was the live stream that was allowing them to cheat. No stream = no cheat
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:06 AM   #5307
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Do you understand how much of a statistical outlier it is to be winning at 700+/hr at 1/3 over dozens of sessions?

That's really all the proof you need. It's such a rare even't that the more likely scenario is that he's cheating.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:10 AM   #5308
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Nice try Mike.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:13 AM   #5309
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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TO Joey und Doug,

This is getting ridiculous! Yes you had me aboard when I watched your videos with the claims. BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE A WITCHHUNT!

I am an avid poker player and really liked both of yours videos. Chicago Joey back in the "what's up papi!?!" day's and Doug twitch grindings were awesome!

But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

- Chris Moneymaker has a long past of playing with him in countless joints and he says:
HE (Postle) is a "really good f@#@@ing player" why don't you take this into consideration?

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?
They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.

In my opinion that alone is straight up crazy. (STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

-MIKE Matusow looked at 3 key hands b4 the interview and found nothing unusual!
IF DURRR PULLS OF A MOVE LIKE THIS OR IVEY (3-4 BETTING ON THE RIVER WITH AIR YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS STRAIGHT UP GENIOUS AND WORSHIP THEM, YET HERE YOU BASH THE GUY AND SAY IT'S EVIDENCE? MIKE MATUSOW WHO I TRUST WITH HIS JUDGMENT SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAND HE SAYS...

-Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.

-the original accuser is supposely a losing player (angry polak)
I watched her play and have to agree. It's even in her name she is a sour loser
Watching her comment the QJ HAND was very tilting. HE folded to Marley on the turn to with top pair so what? Good play in my books. And she is mumbling 10 times that's crazy! No it's not! That's what good payers do when facing big bets with marginal hands. That's why she is losing probably.

- HIS HENDON MOB LOOKS GOOD

I'm on my phone and can't see too much but will continue in next post
I would be embarassed to say something like that on a forum, but you are not
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:14 AM   #5310
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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TO Joey und Doug,

This is getting ridiculous! Yes you had me aboard when I watched your videos with the claims. BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE A WITCHHUNT!

I am an avid poker player and really liked both of yours videos. Chicago Joey back in the "what's up papi!?!" day's and Doug twitch grindings were awesome!

But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

- Chris Moneymaker has a long past of playing with him in countless joints and he says:
HE (Postle) is a "really good f@#@@ing player" why don't you take this into consideration?

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?
They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.

In my opinion that alone is straight up crazy. (STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

-MIKE Matusow looked at 3 key hands b4 the interview and found nothing unusual!
IF DURRR PULLS OF A MOVE LIKE THIS OR IVEY (3-4 BETTING ON THE RIVER WITH AIR YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS STRAIGHT UP GENIOUS AND WORSHIP THEM, YET HERE YOU BASH THE GUY AND SAY IT'S EVIDENCE? MIKE MATUSOW WHO I TRUST WITH HIS JUDGMENT SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAND HE SAYS...

-Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.

-the original accuser is supposely a losing player (angry polak)
I watched her play and have to agree. It's even in her name she is a sour loser
Watching her comment the QJ HAND was very tilting. HE folded to Marley on the turn to with top pair so what? Good play in my books. And she is mumbling 10 times that's crazy! No it's not! That's what good payers do when facing big bets with marginal hands. That's why she is losing probably.

- HIS HENDON MOB LOOKS GOOD

I'm on my phone and can't see too much but will continue in next post
Hi Mike. Pain is coming.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:18 AM   #5311
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm not able to represent my company with this idea, just wondering.. Could the industry itself raise money for a bounty/reward for someone to come forward with evidence that leads to the prosecution of this cheat?

Say each of the 1400+ poker rooms in the US donate $100-$200 to a gofundme or some other crowd-funding site to coordinate. Do you think that would be enough to entice a witness? Would players join in and donate?

I believe the entire industry has an interest in vehemently defending itself from just such a threat. Is this an idea you would participate in?
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:20 AM   #5312
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Something simple but important to mention. Who constantly looks down at there phone between there lap while in the middle of a big ass hand with thousands of dollars on the line? Or who always glances down at phone between there legs preflop while pretending to take a second look at there hole cards. Mike Postle does and when he does it you know god mode is activated.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:20 AM   #5313
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TO Joey und Doug,

This is getting ridiculous! Yes you had me aboard when I watched your videos with the claims. BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE A WITCHHUNT!

I am an avid poker player and really liked both of yours videos. Chicago Joey back in the "what's up papi!?!" day's and Doug twitch grindings were awesome!

But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

- Chris Moneymaker has a long past of playing with him in countless joints and he says:
HE (Postle) is a "really good f@#@@ing player" why don't you take this into consideration?

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?
They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.

In my opinion that alone is straight up crazy. (STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

-MIKE Matusow looked at 3 key hands b4 the interview and found nothing unusual!
IF DURRR PULLS OF A MOVE LIKE THIS OR IVEY (3-4 BETTING ON THE RIVER WITH AIR YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS STRAIGHT UP GENIOUS AND WORSHIP THEM, YET HERE YOU BASH THE GUY AND SAY IT'S EVIDENCE? MIKE MATUSOW WHO I TRUST WITH HIS JUDGMENT SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAND HE SAYS...

-Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.

-the original accuser is supposely a losing player (angry polak)
I watched her play and have to agree. It's even in her name she is a sour loser
Watching her comment the QJ HAND was very tilting. HE folded to Marley on the turn to with top pair so what? Good play in my books. And she is mumbling 10 times that's crazy! No it's not! That's what good payers do when facing big bets with marginal hands. That's why she is losing probably.

- HIS HENDON MOB LOOKS GOOD

I'm on my phone and can't see too much but will continue in next post
(STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

First of all, even if mike postle can beat the games that is irrelevant. Mike is not going to average 900bb/100 over 300 hours, this comment is just silly.

Tom dwan analogy is also silly, tom dwan is playing high stakes, mike is bluffing 3way/4way at live 1/3 and being correct at an extreme degree, the player pool at these stakes are significantly different.

Calling veronica a losing player regardless if it is true or not is also irrelevant, plenty of players that are winning pros agree that he is cheating.

If you can't understand the points above and you find nothing suspicious about mikes play and the math involved, your probably the losing player.

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Old 10-07-2019, 10:20 AM   #5314
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Do you understand how much of a statistical outlier it is to be winning at 700+/hr at 1/3 over dozens of sessions?

That's really all the proof you need. It's such a rare even't that the more likely scenario is that he's cheating.
Although I agree he was obviously cheating I think its unfair to call their game 1/3. At a minimum it plays as a 2/5 but probably more often even larger? Im not a regular viewer but from the clips Ive seen that game is huge compared to 1/3 at my local casino.

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Old 10-07-2019, 10:22 AM   #5315
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Waits 1 1/2 years to post that

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Old 10-07-2019, 10:22 AM   #5316
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:24 AM   #5317
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I'm not able to represent my company with this idea, just wondering.. Could the industry itself raise money for a bounty/reward for someone to come forward with evidence that leads to the prosecution of this cheat?

Say each of the 1400+ poker rooms in the US donate $100-$200 to a gofundme or some other crowd-funding site to coordinate. Do you think that would be enough to entice a witness? Would players join in and donate?

I believe the entire industry has an interest in vehemently defending itself from just such a threat. Is this an idea you would participate in?
Joey has already put up 25k!

https://youtu.be/M6yLN32LpGQ?t=5667
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:25 AM   #5318
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TO Joey und Doug,

This is getting ridiculous! Yes you had me aboard when I watched your videos with the claims. BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE A WITCHHUNT!

I am an avid poker player and really liked both of yours videos. Chicago Joey back in the "what's up papi!?!" day's and Doug twitch grindings were awesome!

But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

- Chris Moneymaker has a long past of playing with him in countless joints and he says:
HE (Postle) is a "really good f@#@@ing player" why don't you take this into consideration?

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?
They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.

In my opinion that alone is straight up crazy. (STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

-MIKE Matusow looked at 3 key hands b4 the interview and found nothing unusual!
IF DURRR PULLS OF A MOVE LIKE THIS OR IVEY (3-4 BETTING ON THE RIVER WITH AIR YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS STRAIGHT UP GENIOUS AND WORSHIP THEM, YET HERE YOU BASH THE GUY AND SAY IT'S EVIDENCE? MIKE MATUSOW WHO I TRUST WITH HIS JUDGMENT SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAND HE SAYS...

-Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.

-the original accuser is supposely a losing player (angry polak)
I watched her play and have to agree. It's even in her name she is a sour loser
Watching her comment the QJ HAND was very tilting. HE folded to Marley on the turn to with top pair so what? Good play in my books. And she is mumbling 10 times that's crazy! No it's not! That's what good payers do when facing big bets with marginal hands. That's why she is losing probably.

- HIS HENDON MOB LOOKS GOOD

I'm on my phone and can't see too much but will continue in next post
What an embarrassing and disgraceful post. Cleary whoever this is (Mike?) has done little to no research on the case.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:27 AM   #5319
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What Will Be The Punishment?

Maybe this has already been answered, but I'm not going to spend all day wading through 5,000+ replies to find out ...

If the various "investigations" conclude that there was, indeed, cheating on the part of MP with the aid and collaboration of one or more Stones managers/employees, what are the likely repercussions for the owners of the Stones Gambling Hall?

According to what I've read, when suspicions were initially raised by poker players about Mike Postle, Stones management claimed they had "conducted an investigation" and concluded there was no cheating. (Sounds familiar, doesn't it?) So, after a thorough and objective investigation, MP receives a clean bill of health from Stones management. Then a former employee comes forward with allegations that air on ESPN and CNBC. Stones reaction to this development is to announce that a new "thorough and independent" investigation will be conducted.

This is one of the unspoken rules of the gaming business, but I've always been under the impression that casino operators don't really care about poker players cheating each other. After all, unlike blackjack and the other table games, poker cheats aren't going after the House's money so why should the casino operator care?

According to the American Gaming Association, only 11 percent of a casino's revenue comes from poker, so the poker room barely pays for itself. Since poker players are so "low profit" when compared to the other table games like craps, roulette and blackjack - not to mention slot machines which are virtually 100 percent profit - the primary interest from the operator's perspective is to keep the poker games moving with minimal interruptions. Prolonged delays to investigate and resolve cheating accusations are a money drain to be avoided.

This case is different as it has attracted media attention shining a negative light on what goes on in these card rooms. If the perception begins taking hold among the general public that cheating in these card rooms is rampant and routine - and casino management is in on it - gamblers may begin avoiding these establishments altogether. The thought process might run something along the lines of: "Well, if the managers are in on the cheating in poker, they're probably in on the cheating in everything else, so I'm taking my business elsewhere." Such a development could lead to a drop in gaming tax revenues, so California (and Nevada) gaming authorities have a vested interest in discouraging the intentional neglect of cheating allegations by card room operators.

The way this kind of neglect and inaction is discouraged is by the imposition of fines and monetary penalties on the casino owners. Since this particular case is likely to get even more media attention, (especially if criminal charges are filed against MP and one or more Stones employees are indicted right along with him), the California Gaming Commission is likely to conduct their own investigation.

If the GCC concludes that Stones management knew what was going on and effectively chose to ignore and cover it up, what will be the likely punishment? I would guess a substantial fine at a minimum all the way up to [possibly] revoking the Stones gaming license? (Has any casino lost its gaming license after the GCC concluded that owners and/or employees were involved in the cheating?)

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Old 10-07-2019, 10:28 AM   #5320
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totally disagree, playing poker and winning in in ways that seem impossible is not a crime anywhere in the world. Outside of 2+2 it is nothing more than circumstantial evidence

Cheating using devices in a card game in a licensed CA Card Club is a crime in CA (upto 10K fine and 1yr in Jail). I think conspiring with others to commit any crime breaks several fed laws.

Doubtful that Postale and co-conspirators left no trail as they planned and ran this scam. This is the evidence that will convict them, not shoving with 84.




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If you quote some one that said they heard a rumor you do not remove the part where they say they heard a rumor. What are you on a audition for Fox News reporter? Do you even know what a rumor is?
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:33 AM   #5321
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Me too, lots of buck passing also.
I went and played some deep-stacked $1/$3 yesterday morning and the owner was at my table for like 4 hiurs. Seemed relaxed as can be.

He is a total OMC btw... everybody at table has $800-$2500 except he is sitting on $300 nitting it up with a single-digit vpip.

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Old 10-07-2019, 10:37 AM   #5322
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Having a few commentators in on it with me to try and make it convincing rather than risk having them watch me over and over again every single day making superuser plays, constantly having to justify them would at least make some sense. Am I wrong?
Generally yes I think you are wrong. When you are committing a crime you want as few people involved as possible (preferably solo) because of the adage "2 can keep a secret as long as one is dead". Plus anyone who knows will have blackmail material on the perpetrators. If more than one person was involved it was because it was necessary to pull it off.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:37 AM   #5323
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If you quote some one that said they heard a rumor you do not remove the part where they say they heard a rumor. What are you on a audition for Fox News reporter? Do you even know what a rumor is?
I read and understand each individual word above, but putting them all together I have no idea wtf you are trying to say.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:40 AM   #5324
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I do not know enough, but listening to the Matusow interview closely I have a "hunch" that he is innocent
Even if not, don't jump the gun. DO not crucify a man until proven guilty. Can you imagine what kind of damage you do to him and his family? He has a little daughter for crying out loud. And all you have is Durrr like hands? And not precise numbers on winrates?
MIKE Matusow says it's not a crazy winrate and I have to agree. With the straddles and all the action at 1 3 it's not crazy.

Can you imagine if proven he is innocent what he can do to you? He can sue you for all you got Joey and you made a fool out yourself. Plus when you pointed out the spot on his head which u called " evidence" in your last video for conductive headphones, I was like come on Joey! This grey hair! And when u hit 40 you'll have it too.
Really I liked ALL your videos you 're a very likable guy but this... come on! The hat thing... pff

But what I don't like of you and Doug who I liked also is when you don't show respect for Mike Matusow, and Mike Postle( until proven otherwise) you CANNOT call him an A hole Joey on stream. I thought that was very relentless and made me come out and say something.

These could be your older brother's or even father's agewise and you don't show any respect for that.
How would you feel in 10 years if some younger PUNK talked to you or about you without respect publicly. You know what Matusow did for the poker community, he has very little scandals of what I know. And he inspired you I bet to where you are when u started. And now you talk down on him...

Anyways if he can prove that he was the biggest crusher on ub then what? You stop making jokes he is a cheat right?

Mike Postle if you want to prove that u can contact joeingram or Doug directly and ask them to not disclose the info publicly.. That's how you can clear your name. Or ask Matusow as mediator.

You can also send me pm. More than willing to help in this mess...

Peace out everyone!
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:40 AM   #5325
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

godeep's post is so dumb and does such a bad job defending Mike that it might actually be him.
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