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Old 10-07-2019, 04:48 AM   #5226
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I hear you on this. My hypothesis is that there is at least one tech working with Mike that has access to the pokerGFX server. There has been too many instances of his RFID glitches/ cards changing to cover up his plays. There must be some correlation between when Mike Postle has hole-card access and when a tech is working.

If Mike Postle doesn't have the ability to remote into the pokerGFX server to see the cards in real-time, a tech that does have access must send him this information, possibly via text or SMS. In this scenario, the tech might as well just give Mike Postle access.

If Mike Postle has the ability to remote into the pokerGFX server, a tech must make sure the server is available to Mike Postle via configurations and by letting him know which network and credentials to use. Also, remote access is generally not anonymous. Logs are created and it is usually evident, in most cases, when someone is remoted in because they have access to the mouse. A tech must be there to make sure that no outsiders see the unauthorized logins.

But, if there are no guards or locks in the pokerGFX server is Mike Postle could very well be a one man show but I'm just not sure how capable he is of this. I feel like there must be insiders for him to have got away with it for so long.
I'm with you completely. I am almost sure he had help, and this person needed to physically be on-site when the cheating happened. I guess I'm saying that I'm no longer sure we can say who it was so easily, even with system access to audit.

Whoever did this will have the convenient excuse that anyone could have been in that room at the time, since there were no locks, people came in and out regularly, no CCTV to confirm who was there, etc. (assuming all of that is true). Just imagine if people shared user ID's and passwords on occasion to help facilitate changes faster, etc. Who knows what else.

Just to be super sneaky, if I were the villain in the control room, I would make sure I had approval to share my ID and password with someone at least once, for whatever reason. "Hey, I'm out of the office for the next couple of hours and they need to modify something for the broadcast tonight, can I let XXX log onto my account now to make the change?" Once that is approved, there is a history of sharing passwords and log ins within the operation, so game over (not saying this happened, I'm must saying it would be a great way to cover my ass).

But whatever. Once you tell me anyone could go into that server/control room, well.... That's just a complete game changer. At that point it clicked that we are no longer discussing a secure environment.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:51 AM   #5227
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where am I wrong? plz help if im off yall
MIKE IS NOT IN GOD MODE AFTER 1:37 … MIKE NEVER GOT UP FROM THE TABLE before that point n multiple time after? phone is expossed many times after above table/never before 1:37 (briefly at 0:59 but that's when I think his trying to talk to LANCE loll)
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:51 AM   #5228
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As keen enthusiast of poker, I had create an account at 2+2 & to post my thoughts.

Thank you for focussing & directing attention towards the commentary booth as imo something doesn't sit quite right.

You notice anytime MP does something ridiculous the commentators say zilch, reading out stream chat or random nonsense. They refuse to even mention the BS that MP is pulling off at the table. Looking through all the streams, Joey s investigation etc....I notice that the vast majority of the time Kasey Mills is in the booth, when Mike is running like God. One of the biggest fans & constantly keeps pushing the narrative he's some kind of wizard. Even has mini celebrations when Mike wins a pot. All so strange & weird. Even in Tom Dwan hayday did you see the commentators basically high fiving someone winning a pot?

I like to post this up which I noticed yesterday, & important to look at Kasey's body language. A person on streams asks a question in chat, 'Does Mike ever lose?' https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKgA1FOO7Q (At 32.50)

The reaction to that question, you can see the uncomfortable, nervous reaction of KM. I have seen other vids of her talking to MP at the table, the multiple celebrations when Mike 'wins', the 'love Mike' comments, it all doesn't sit right with me.

Thank you for everyone who has contributed to this thread & we need to get this sorted, & the guilty brought forward as we cannot allow a game we all love, to be tarnish by a corrupt few.
Great spot PokerStan1, the silence is deafening.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:54 AM   #5229
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It is almost like the commentators can see all the hole cards! Their constant inane chatter just makes me think "California Airhead" every time I hear them on a clip. Half the commenting staff can't even spell poker. Who hired these people? I think it just highlights the incompetence of the whole operation.
The commentators are an embarrassment to poker. Doubt they're in on it, but they don't come across as too bright.
Really? I was informed that my post was practically one of the worst posts in this thread.

I think after months and months of seeing MP make the perfect move every time, since they can see all the cards when they are commenting, it was easy for them to appear "smart" and predict that MP would make the winning move. And they were right nearly every time! EZ Game.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:59 AM   #5230
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lance is MP inside man... change my mind
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god >

0:17 , 0:44 who tells dealer to tell JD to reregister cards? , 0:50 , 0:56

ungodly >

1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 lol , 2:33 no bluff from god?

2:18 gets up fr table next hand 2:21 pressed hands on hat OFF
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imma keep multi quoting myself till yall mf respond... this tread sent me down this damn rabbits hole n I HAVE TO KNOW IF IM GOING CRAZY? or nah
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:01 AM   #5231
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lance is MP inside man... change my mind
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god >

0:17 , 0:44 who tells dealer to tell JD to reregister cards? , 0:50 , 0:56

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1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 lol , 2:33 no bluff from god?

2:18 gets up fr table next hand 2:21 pressed hands on hat OFF
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MIKE IS NOT IN GOD MODE AFTER 1:37 … MIKE NEVER GOT UP FROM THE TABLE before that point n multiple time after? phone is expossed many times after above table/never before 1:37 (briefly at 0:59 but that's when I think his trying to talk to LANCE loll)
PLZ SOMEONE ELSE GO THRU THIS SESSION!!!
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:07 AM   #5232
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Im not going to sit here and argue with you why or why not the commentators are innocent when any sane person watching this knows they are at the very least a possible suspect. I know if this was my casino I definitely wouldn't be hiring you to investigate for me. There is a reason the majority of the community including Joey and Doug at least acknowledge that the commentators behaviour are ridiculous in a very large sample of time frames. If you don't agree with me that is your opinion and its also the minority opinion so please go bother someone else.
Not looking to argue or bother anyone; I just think it's extremely odd that a commentator that was in on it would be drawing attention to the exact thing that is happening. If you don't want to explain why you see that differently, that's up to you I guess.

Edit to add: I'm certainly in no way decided that anyone is or isn't innocent; I just think R*R had a good point WRT the commentators' remarks from your post.

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PLZ SOMEONE ELSE GO THRU THIS SESSION!!!
It's the middle of the night in North America - maybe give it a few hours before getting too carried away?
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:10 AM   #5233
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Nevermind, lotsa cheating proof elsewhere

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Old 10-07-2019, 05:15 AM   #5234
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Not looking to argue or bother anyone; I just think it's extremely odd that a commentator that was in on it would be drawing attention to the exact thing that is happening. If you don't want to explain why you see that differently, that's up to you I guess.
The hands draw atention by themselves.

The comentators are actually justifying some absurd lines taken by Mike all the time, it's really weird.

Also, saying weird stuff like ''can he find a fold here?'' when it's an obvious spot that no one would fold.

That's why they're also suspects imo
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:18 AM   #5235
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The hands draw atention by themselves.

The comentators are actually justifying some absurd lines taken by Mike all the time, it's really weird. Also, saying weird stuff like ''can he find a fold here?'' when it's obvious that no one would fold

That's why they're also suspects imo
Fair enough, thanks. I've only watched a small sampling of videos, and one or two clips I watched had the same kind of content that Xenicide was alluding to - "it's like he can see their cards!!" sort of comments. But if those are the exception rather than the rule, then that makes more sense.

And of course commentators could sprinkle in a little "he can see their hole cards!" to make people have reactions like mine.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:18 AM   #5236
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If I was mike postle and had planned to blatantly cheat over and over on live stream with the style of gameplay he had. Having a few commentators in on it with me to try and make it convincing rather than risk having them watch me over and over again every single day making superuser plays, constantly having to justify them would at least make some sense. Am I wrong? How does mike get away with this for over a full year probably over a thousand hours of streamed gameplay without the guys whos job is LITERALLY to study my gameplay live for everyone to see not suspecting anything. I understand there is a reasonable chance that they are innocent but claiming they are not even suspicious is just delusional plain and simple.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:25 AM   #5237
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There's one comentator in particular that says dumb stuff all the time and justifies Mike's actions every opportunity he has.... he is REALLY annoying and a lot of posters said he tilted them

Does anyone know his name?

And there's a woman that is not suspect at all imo
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:25 AM   #5238
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I understand there is a reasonable chance that they are innocent but claiming they are not even suspicious is just delusional plain and simple.
I don't know that anyone's going this far, but to be clear, I'm certainly not. But I'm also not in favour of dragging names through the mud with nothing more than hearing their commentary in hindsight to go on - and I'm not saying you're doing that, I just wouldn't want to see things go that way.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Mike was tipping the comms crew and/or buying them dinner and drinks to keep them on side.

The streams are 4 hours? Can't be more than 150-200 bucks per show for the commentary team (still a nice hourly tho). But yeah if a dude who is winning all the time then comes and tips you the odd hundo here and there, you are def gonna 'root' for him a bit more.
If something was going on, this seems most likely to me as well.

Anyway, I don't want to derail, I've got my answers, thanks.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:27 AM   #5239
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Not looking to argue or bother anyone; I just think it's extremely odd that a commentator that was in on it would be drawing attention to the exact thing that is happening. If you don't want to explain why you see that differently, that's up to you I guess.

Edit to add: I'm certainly in no way decided that anyone is or isn't innocent; I just think R*R had a good point WRT the commentators' remarks from your post.




It's the middle of the night in North America - maybe give it a few hours before getting too carried away?
wish I could BOBO... really wish I could but plz look at timestamps right quick... jus NO WAY im wrong, understand the football game was on TV but that does not explain what happened in this session, at all
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:27 AM   #5240
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Fair enough, thanks. I've only watched a small sampling of videos, and one or two clips I watched had the same kind of content that Xenicide was alluding to - "it's like he can see their cards!!" sort of comments. But if those are the exception rather than the rule, then that makes more sense.
Verinona Brill was the commentator who was the whistleblower in this whole case & also lost money to Mike Postle (she played in same cash game unaware at the time). She has been the only one.

Sorry, I'm not up to speed with the latest developments...What other regular commentators have come out to say Mike has been cheating? One commentator even accused Verinona of tarnishing the game at Stones, with her allegations towards Mike. In the last week has jumped on the bandwagon, & said it was all a bit fishy.

I'm confident we will get to the bottom of who was behind this scam, as I can sense it's bubbling up for many to spill the beans.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:29 AM   #5241
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wish I could BOBO... really wish I could but plz look at timestamps right quick... jus NO WAY im wrong, understand the football game was on TV but that does not explain what happened in this session, at all
No, you can, and you should. By which I mean don't keep requoting yourself every hour or two (or three); it's not going to get you an answer any quicker, and will just annoy the hell out of people. And likely get you infracted and/or banned.

I don't have time to be poring over timestamps, as I'm procrastinating on some things I really should be doing which I'm going to now finally - I'm sure someone else far more steeped in this whole thing will have a look in a while.

Breathe.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:30 AM   #5242
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"pretty clear"

Ok, I'm willing to listen.

What exactly is he watching and who are his actions directed at at? and how do you know this?
It seems pretty clear to me that it's a football game too. The stream is from a Monday night during the NFL season and there was almost certainly Monday Night Football on TV. And the clip is ~830 or so or about when the game would be nearing an end. Seahawks versus the Bears the game ended 24-17 so it was a close game. I'd bet dollars to donuts he's just watching the football game on a TV. Why else would he get amped up watching a screen then be disappointed? You ever watch football and have a rooting interest? That's how people behave.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:30 AM   #5243
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If I was mike postle and had planned to blatantly cheat over and over on live stream with the style of gameplay he had. Having a few commentators in on it with me to try and make it convincing rather than risk having them watch me over and over again every single day making superuser plays, constantly having to justify them would at least make some sense. Am I wrong? How does mike get away with this for over a full year probably over a thousand hours of streamed gameplay without the guys whos job is LITERALLY to study my gameplay live for everyone to see not suspecting anything. I understand there is a reasonable chance that they are innocent but claiming they are not even suspicious is just delusional plain and simple.
fwiw its a few hundred hrs not thousand... and its LANCE, see all my recent posts requoting myself, am I off anywhere? this session does it for me
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:34 AM   #5244
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No, you can, and you should. By which I mean don't keep requoting yourself every hour or two (or three); it's not going to get you an answer any quicker, and will just annoy the hell out of people. And likely get you infracted and/or banned.

I don't have time to be poring over timestamps, as I'm procrastinating on some things I really should be doing which I'm going to now finally - I'm sure someone else far more steeped in this whole thing will have a look in a while.

Breathe.
reward (getting this info seen) > risk (of infracted/banned) for me rn now n not even close, to each their own I guess... will keep on till one or the other happens tho
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:34 AM   #5245
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If I was mike postle and had planned to blatantly cheat over and over on live stream with the style of gameplay he had. Having a few commentators in on it with me to try and make it convincing rather than risk having them watch me over and over again every single day making superuser plays, constantly having to justify them would at least make some sense. Am I wrong? How does mike get away with this for over a full year probably over a thousand hours of streamed gameplay without the guys whos job is LITERALLY to study my gameplay live for everyone to see not suspecting anything. I understand there is a reasonable chance that they are innocent but claiming they are not even suspicious is just delusional plain and simple.
Two most likely reasons MP got away with it for so long:
1) Some players had suspicions but none really spoke up: poker players don't like to throw around the word "cheater" lightly.
2) Stones Live is not what one would consider a highly viewed poker stream/show: a quick browse of their streams shows average views being less than 3k in many instances. That generally means when it's live streamed they are getting even less views live.

If Veronica didn't go public or someone else didn't come forward, it might have continued for who knows how long.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:34 AM   #5246
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If I was mike postle and had planned to blatantly cheat over and over on live stream with the style of gameplay he had. Having a few commentators in on it with me to try and make it convincing rather than risk having them watch me over and over again every single day making superuser plays, constantly having to justify them would at least make some sense. Am I wrong? How does mike get away with this for over a full year probably over a thousand hours of streamed gameplay without the guys whos job is LITERALLY to study my gameplay live for everyone to see not suspecting anything. I understand there is a reasonable chance that they are innocent but claiming they are not even suspicious is just delusional plain and simple.
Same reason not all the people playing in the game weren't suspicions. I think he got away with it so long because there were bunch of different commentators being rotated in, bunch of different players rotated in, and so few dedicated fans watching the live stream. I would guess the most of the commentators assume he was losing in sessions they weren't a part of. I would guess that the players in the game either aren't good enough to realize what Mike's doing isn't possible, or if they are they aren't watching enough to question it.

We all agree that Mike is clearly cheating but im curious if anyone started watching this should religiously at what point would we start to call bullshit. Is there anything online anywhere of fans questioning if hes cheating? I would honestly be shocked that anyone would be cheating on a live stream and just assume im wrong and just just sunrunning harder than anyone has because who would or could cheat this obviously on live stream.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:36 AM   #5247
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I think it's very possible they are involved on some level. Not thinking they are getting a % or anything, more likely something like this:
check out PokerStan1 and you'll think differently about Kasey.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:40 AM   #5248
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This one is so so so weird. The commentator calls "red eight" in advance both times....a red 8 comes on each turn. Commentator is one who is saying super weird stuff in a lot of spots throughout these vids.

The plot to this, if it was a movie...I'd walk out due to sheer unbelievability. And yet here we are.
Even stranger, the other commentator (I think her name is Casey?) looks straight at the camera right after and says (almost shouts) "Clip that out!" Who is she talking to, and what/why does she want it clipped? Too obvious?
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:44 AM   #5249
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Having read every thread and watched all the videos, I just wanted to add a couple of comments to the discussion;

1. There has been a lot of talk of what device is being used. Remember criminals are adaptable. If they are making money and something changes which effects their revenue stream they adapt. Maybe originally text messages/shared screens worked, then security improved and they had to move to a more sophisticated method of communication. We shouldn't discount that a number of devices were used at different times, hence sometimes he looked at his phone, sometimes he seemed to have a hat device.

2. The video showing the change in his play around July 1st is pretty damning. Looks like two different players both in posture and playing style/results.

Thanks to everyone for the amazing work uncovering this cheater.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:47 AM   #5250
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It's interesting watching how drastic his PF selection is pre-cheating vs post.

In the first game he plays that's streamed, he open folds QTo and also folds J4o in the bb vs a $20 button raise.

He value bets hands normally even though his opponents had no pair no draw. Whereas later you see him check value hands in these spots because he knows his opponents have nothing and need to give them a chance to bluff.

Basically he plays like you would expect until at some point he knows other people's cards then he plays everything.

Even just looking at a few before and afters the difference in play is night and day.
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