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Old 10-07-2019, 03:31 AM   #5176
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I really don't think the commentators had much to do with this. They just got sucked in by the group think. I mean think about Lon and Norman. Most people around here that follow the WSOP think they're terrible. The Mike Rah Rah stuff comes from top down in my opinion and the only one with enough brains to not get sucked in to the bs was Veronica. Thankfully!

Imo opinion the alleged cheating has nothing to do with the DJ type commentators (the show didn't try to target an audience of poker savants) and everything is to do with Mike and one techie. We are likely wasting our time looking at commentators with very little clue about poker.

After reading most of the posts in this thread, watching several videos, following twitter etc.for thepst three days it is my opinion that only two people were involved.

The police have to get involved. This appears to be a significant fraud with a multitude of victims.
Just because they know nothing about poker doesnt justify a lot of the things they say. They literally worship the man like a god and joke about how HE KNOWS what his opponent has, they even sometimes act bummed when he loses a hand, They call out what play he is going to make BEFORE he makes it. NEVER do they question anything mike does this has been seen countless times over again. You simply can't deny the fact that any of the commentators could be in on this and it would be ignorant to do so. If they truly are innocent then they have nothing to worry about.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:31 AM   #5177
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It is almost like the commentators can see all the hole cards! Their constant inane chatter just makes me think "California Airhead" every time I hear them on a clip. Half the commenting staff can't even spell poker. Who hired these people? I think it just highlights the incompetence of the whole operation.
I do have to say that there are some posts itt like this one that are so bad I wish I hadn't read them.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:31 AM   #5178
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New video I hadn't seen before an hour ago. Mike's psychic ability transferred over to the commentator. I guess if you are running production you can cheat in anyway you see fit.
https://youtu.be/TCWKn9scH9w
Everytime I call for cards they come too so I'm not sure this can even be considered all that unusual.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:31 AM   #5179
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wonder if the isolated single camera footage is archived or retrievable in any form...obviously he is going to "peak" more often when he knows its not on him .... no chance we ever see it but if it exists would be first thing a comprehensive (independent) investigation should go after
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:32 AM   #5180
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You can have all the faith you want, but if the person is under 30 they have undergone years of programming to not think critically. Regurgitate spoon fed information without any training in logic to determine the validity has been repetitively drilled into them.
Exactly! Someone was thinking this is good for poker as supply of players with limited capacity to become a winning player. That might be true in the short term since everyone is so good at everything (at least they are told that nonsense repeatedly so when the day come and a real challenge comes across they do not have the tools to solve their issues). If anyone thinks that is good for the long term in any kind of society they could not be more wrong.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:33 AM   #5181
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that Monday morning meeting at Stones. Imagine all the bricks that will be shat in that discussion!
Me too, lots of buck passing also.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:34 AM   #5182
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Everytime I call for cards they come too so I'm not sure this can even be considered all that unusual.
It could totally be a coincidence but this particular commentator often seems to defend Mike's play at weird times and say strange stuff. His demeanor seems off, and calling out these cards the way he does...he doesn't seem that surprised, genuinely.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:35 AM   #5183
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I understand that yes. Most people who know what they are doing will understand that yes. The general rec player or someone who once wanted to try poker who hears about this may not want to try at all. I mean, if this went on for a couple of years in plain sight and the casino, what is a casino going to do for "average joe wanting to try poker" to ensure they are not taken advantage of.

I mean, at a blackjack table, winning like that, no way was it going to go that far. At any pit game it wouldn't have gone that far.
I guess I can only ask this question; are you assuming a general rec player or someone who wants to try poker is not a person who knows what they are doing? If you're a reg and your opinion of a rec player or new player is that they are someone who doesn't know what they are doing; hopefully you keep that kind of assumption to yourself. I would say that is the type of "opinion" that stops new players from trying the game, but that's a totally different subject
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:37 AM   #5184
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You're pointing to general risks related to live-streamed games. Those same risks are not present in non-streamed games: which is what the vast majority of live poker players play, non-streamed poker games.
Sure. But my point is that these risks are manageable with basic security protocols.

Poker players should not fear RFID or live streaming. They should fear playing in a casino that does not do the maximum that is reasonably possible to ensure the integrity of the game. And where any credible accusations of cheating are not taken seriously.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:41 AM   #5185
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I was watching a vlog about stones and mike Postle was on it briefly. They talked about how everyone would pre-stream go all in blind to increase the money thats on the table since the tables during live streams etc are match the stack. I can try to link the video here in a second.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:43 AM   #5186
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I really don't think any commentators were involved, Mike the poker god was clearly the message the higher ups wanted and everyone seemed to go along with it.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:45 AM   #5187
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This show has some of the most suspect commentators I can ever imagine seeing

It's interesting to note this is during one of theBlack/White under armour and keys in convenient location session.
It appears the announcer entered the Postle Zone as well lol
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:46 AM   #5188
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54o vs 53o battle on T2AT8 board. You can guess who wins: https://youtu.be/hqq-FCkt4Mk?t=15557
Notice how the commentators try to justify that hand. Doesnt make sense.

Bearded comentator starts off with, "So we have seen acouple spots tonight and in recent streams where the lead on the river was the nuts but it was a very specfic line, every time the line has been taken by the nuts where it leads river the line went check call flop, check call turn, LEAD river, and its been nutted up hands.
But thats not what happened in that hand. That there was wonkily played flop and turn and then all the sudden Dave is leading. Its like ehhhhh."


Dave Bots line that hand:
check call flop, check call turn, LEAD river

The Asian commentator realizes that was the EXACT line Dave Bot took and tries to find a distinction.

Asian comentator, "Right, Yeah. uh Dave got raised on the (turn), uh, he either got raised or bet into on the turn beacuse..."
Beard guy interjects "And he just called"
Asian guy contines- "Becaise Postle was trying to represent the ten, *and Dave slowed down, so yeah leading into that doesnt make any sense on the river."

Lol okay buddy.
I guess the distinction they are trying to make is that the guy who bet the flop wasn't the same guy who bet the turn (Postle donked). But WTF does that matter? Because Postle donked, Dave Bot would ALWAYS raise a ten? Where as if the flop bettor bet turn, Dave would ALWAYS slowplay?
That is quite the read. How TF do they know that?

I think the commentators are in on it in some way. Too much weird **** going on.

edit - *Also "and Dave slowed down"... Dave never took an aggressive action the whole hand (before river). He did not 'slow down'.

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Old 10-07-2019, 03:48 AM   #5189
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

it just occurred to me

how come justin won't say a word about this situation?

i mean, i get mike, but justin?

if he's innocent he should be talking like crazy atm, am i wrong?

and what about the other guys from the stream? no one says anything? radio silence? why?
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:51 AM   #5190
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This needs more love, look at him gesturing towards the booth and how upset he is.
You guys are seeing ghosts everywhere, Its pretty clear he's just watching a football game or some sporting event.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:52 AM   #5191
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It could totally be a coincidence but this particular commentator often seems to defend Mike's play at weird times and say strange stuff. His demeanor seems off, and calling out these cards the way he does...he doesn't seem that surprised, genuinely.
I've thought the same thing about that announcer (Justin Kelly). However, we have no evidence implicating him and frankly he's often busy in the booth commentating when the other suspects are twiddling their thumbs by themselves with plenty of opportunities to assist Postle's cheating.

It seems likely that the commentators were given instructions to build Postle up and show him in a good light. Those instructions would have come from JFK. That doesn't necessarily mean JFK was a co-conspirator though. He could have just been trying to grow the room, the stream, and the brand.

I'm sure some conspiracy theorist think that Mike demanded from his co-conspirators that he be shown as a poker God.

Regardless, what the commentators are doing here is not malicious in any way. They didn't realize he was cheating. They were just trying to entertain their audience. This thread should be about the actual investigation. Surely there is a Stones Live thread on 2plus2 for anyone that really needs to complain about the quality of the commentary.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:54 AM   #5192
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it just occurred to me

how come justin won't say a word about this situation?

i mean, i get mike, but justin?

if he's innocent he should be talking like crazy atm, am i wrong?

and what about the other guys from the stream? no one says anything? radio silence? why?
The casino is going to get sued. All employees have probably been directed to be quiet, ESPECIALLY JFK.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:54 AM   #5193
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it just occurred to me

how come justin won't say a word about this situation?

i mean, i get mike, but justin?

if he's innocent he should be talking like crazy atm, am i wrong?

and what about the other guys from the stream? no one says anything? radio silence? why?
I'm guessing it is out of his hands. He does what the casino top brass tell him to do. And at this point they are telling him to shut 'er down.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:56 AM   #5194
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it just occurred to me

how come justin won't say a word about this situation?

i mean, i get mike, but justin?

if he's innocent he should be talking like crazy atm, am i wrong?

and what about the other guys from the stream? no one says anything? radio silence? why?
Corporate lawyers and personal attorneys.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:56 AM   #5195
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After watching Gumpnstein's video we learn the first time mike ever cheated was on July 18th 2018( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w ). I decided to go through the video and report my findings.

2:01:10 Mike starts cheating for the first time. After a few minutes mike realizes somethings clearly not working with the program he constantly goes back and fourth between what looks like texting and then putting his phone back between his legs, finally at 2:11:28 One of the commentators pretends to clear her throat and leaves the booth. Shortly later at 2:12:26 Postle leaves the table. Then a few seconds later the commentator graphic and audio completely vanish from the screen for a couple minutes. Somewhere around the exact moment the commentator audio and visual comes back online mike is seen coming back to the table. Then at 2:16:00 The commentator(Kasey) returns back to the booth.

Later in the video i noticed at 3:15:10 Mike gets into a big hand with 55 NOTICE the size of mikes chip stack at the start of this hand. Mike is faced with a massive 4 bet pre flop and tanks. While tanking the commentator booth visual and audio vanishes once again. Mike finally makes a big call and gets himself into a VERY fishy hand postflop. Mike attempts to go all in as a bluff on the river up against a pair of 7s the guy snaps him off with an unbelievable call and owns mikes soul (priceless reaction). Then just after the hand finishes the audio and commentator visuals come back online. Interestingly enough Kasey, the person who left before is gone from the booth and somebody is in her place. After just over an hour Mike leaves the table once again (3:34:20) and Kasey returns to the booth at 3:34:44
As keen enthusiast of poker, I had create an account at 2+2 & to post my thoughts.

Thank you for focussing & directing attention towards the commentary booth as imo something doesn't sit quite right.

You notice anytime MP does something ridiculous the commentators say zilch, reading out stream chat or random nonsense. They refuse to even mention the BS that MP is pulling off at the table. Looking through all the streams, Joey s investigation etc....I notice that the vast majority of the time Kasey Mills is in the booth, when Mike is running like God. One of the biggest fans & constantly keeps pushing the narrative he's some kind of wizard. Even has mini celebrations when Mike wins a pot. All so strange & weird. Even in Tom Dwan hayday did you see the commentators basically high fiving someone winning a pot?

I like to post this up which I noticed yesterday, & important to look at Kasey's body language. A person on streams asks a question in chat, 'Does Mike ever lose?' https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKgA1FOO7Q (At 32.50)

The reaction to that question, you can see the uncomfortable, nervous reaction of KM. I have seen other vids of her talking to MP at the table, the multiple celebrations when Mike 'wins', the 'love Mike' comments, it all doesn't sit right with me.

Thank you for everyone who has contributed to this thread & we need to get this sorted, & the guilty brought forward as we cannot allow a game we all love, to be tarnish by a corrupt few.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:59 AM   #5196
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Just because they know nothing about poker doesnt justify a lot of the things they say. They literally worship the man like a god and joke about how HE KNOWS what his opponent has, they even sometimes act bummed when he loses a hand, They call out what play he is going to make BEFORE he makes it. NEVER do they question anything mike does this has been seen countless times over again. You simply can't deny the fact that any of the commentators could be in on this and it would be ignorant to do so. If they truly are innocent then they have nothing to worry about.
Thanks for making my case.

Those commentators are almost certainly not in on it.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:01 AM   #5197
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New video I hadn't seen before an hour ago. Mike's psychic ability transferred over to the commentator. I guess if you are running production you can cheat in anyway you see fit.
https://youtu.be/TCWKn9scH9w

man, these commentators tilt me and say weird things EVERY ****ING VIDEO i see
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:01 AM   #5198
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Joey had this interesting theory 4 years ago, Postle keeps repeating he never wanted attention or the spotlight https://youtu.be/-VLkb9aSuI8?t=2137
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:05 AM   #5199
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On the one hand, it doesn't seem like it makes sense for any of the commentators to have had a hand in this stuff.

On the other hand, the bizarre way they talk and behave and seem to contort themselves to defend Postle's crazy plays and winning ways just seems really suspect in hindsight.

I feel bad if/that they are innocent and are being dragged through the mud, just more casualties of Mike P's behavior.
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You notice anytime MP does something ridiculous the commentators say zilch
That's not true. I just posted a bunch of links today where they were astonished by the plays he made. My guess is that you've seen more recent sessions and the announcers (and audience) have become quite accustomed to his sick plays.

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One of the biggest fans & constantly keeps pushing the narrative he's some kind of wizard.
If they didn't realize he was cheating then he's the most amazing player they have ever seen. As I posted above, they were probably directed to hype him up. Why wouldn't they be? If you had Babe Ruth on a minor league baseball team you'd revolve all your marketing around Babe Ruth. Somehow, this little podunk poker room was home to the greatest poker player alive. Of course they were going to hype him up.
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