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Old 10-07-2019, 01:15 AM   #5101
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:15 AM   #5102
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My only doubt is whether or not the white bar at the top of Mike's iPhone screen is real or a reflection from lighting above. If you single-step the frames of the YT video the white bar moves as he walks, indicating it might be reflected light. Another possibility is it moves due to an artifact of YT compression, or is part of the transition dissolve being done on the live video cut to a different camera angle. That doesn't eliminate it being the Google Remote Desktop app but makes it less of a visual match. Here's the video link with time-jump to 24:30 for reference - use the comma and period keys after pausing to step backwards and forward single frames:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWP...outu.be&t=1470
We need some more 2 plus 2 investigators on this case to look around videos for any more pictures of his phone
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:16 AM   #5103
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:19 AM   #5104
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

On the question of whether there were cameras monitoring the control room for the Stones Poker Live broadcast:

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I think Veronica was asked this on DNegs podcast from saturday and I believe she didn't think so or wasn't sure, but she did say people had phones out while they were broadcasting live and everyone was in and out of there, leaving their backpacks in there etc.
You know, it's really just a joke now.

Having worked in a highly secure operation (not a casino, I have zero experience working casinos), I just assumed a licensed casino in the US would have certain legal obligations to maintain the integrity of their operations. And this is why I was sure someone from senior management had to be in on this for the appropriate approvals, ability to cover their tracks, etc. Again, based on what I know from working in a highly secure facility. But now I'm starting to think the security here was on par with an average home game. At least for Stones Live Poker.

If you are processing the video feed in real time, that information must be locked down. Otherwise, you cannot guarantee the integrity of the game. What would I expect at a minimum?

Only a small number of pre-approved people could be in the control room at any time, and the room should be physically locked at all times. During an actual broadcast, this number should shrink even further to the minimum number of people required to view the real-time data during the broadcast. In other words, when not broadcasting, perhaps 5 people have approvals to be in that room, and it's still locked at all times. During the broadcast, that number may shrink to 2 or 3, and again, the room is locked.

There should be cameras monitoring who comes and goes in this room, with time stamps. The camera feed should record and store this information for a minimum of 6 months. It should be stored elsewhere, not on a server within that control room, so there is no way for anyone in that room to destroy the CCTV recordings.

If they have their own servers and networking in the control room just for this broadcast (not using Stones regular data center), they should at least have a minimum number of people who can install anything on those servers. And everything that is done on those servers or across that network should be logged. It should be impossible to access (edit, delete) this log by anyone working within the control room. Assuming they ran everything on a separate network and on separate servers, the only way to get rid of this log file would be to physically destroy the server on which it's located. So we should be able to go back and see who loaded what and when.

Obviously I'm assuming user and password integrity. If Admin123 was the user name that was shared by many, and the password was "Password123," then God help them. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it, to be honest...

Ideally, assuming they are using their own Stones Poker Live servers (not connected in any way through the regular Sones casino data center), a regular audit should occur, with log files backed up and removed from the servers used for Stones Live and stored somewhere else.

In general, it's starting to look like Stones wanted to get on board with live streaming poker as a way to promote their casino and promote poker, and good for them. But it also seems like they may not have applied their rigorous security standards found elsewhere in the casino (I'm assuming this is the case) to this new operation. Perhaps overly depending on the competence of senior people who managed Stones Poker Live, at least from a security perspective.

Clearly that was a mistake.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:19 AM   #5105
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I can't wait to start to hear about the enormous amount of lawsuits that will be hitting Mike and Stones starting tomorrow morning. Especially from that lawyer who has played a couple times on the live feed and was schooled by Mike.

Early bird gets the worm and everyone else gets in line.

What is also shocking is the fact that Stones hasn't shut down their Youtube/Twitch channels. I mean, I know there are people you have already downloaded every video at this point and maybe that's just it it doesn't really matter now, but I can't imagine Stones being that sophisticated as to think, "hey maybe we should delete/hide the videos on our channel until the heat dies down."

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that Monday morning meeting at Stones. Imagine all the bricks that will be shat in that discussion!

Also, the commentators aren't in on it, they are only going along with the crazy mystique of this outlier player. But there is definitely someone else helping Mike get the card info because it's clear that Mike is too stupid to pull this off entirely by himself - evidence in the fact that he so blatantly thinks he's invincible to being caught.

This whole thing is like a tragic Coen brothers movie, actually, hopefully they get the rights to this when the dust settles. This is so perfectly up their alley.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:19 AM   #5106
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWP...utu.be&t=11926
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:25 AM   #5107
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After watching Gumpnstein's video we learn the first time mike ever cheated was on July 18th 2018( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w ). I decided to go through the video and report my findings.

2:01:10 Mike starts cheating for the first time. After a few minutes mike realizes somethings clearly not working with the program he constantly goes back and fourth between what looks like texting and then putting his phone back between his legs, finally at 2:11:28 One of the commentators pretends to clear her throat and leaves the booth. Shortly later at 2:12:26 Postle leaves the table. Then a few seconds later the commentator graphic and audio completely vanish from the screen for a couple minutes. Somewhere around the exact moment the commentator audio and visual comes back online mike is seen coming back to the table. Then at 2:16:00 The commentator(Kasey) returns back to the booth.

Later in the video i noticed at 3:15:10 Mike gets into a big hand with 55 NOTICE the size of mikes chip stack at the start of this hand. Mike is faced with a massive 4 bet pre flop and tanks. While tanking the commentator booth visual and audio vanishes once again. Mike finally makes a big call and gets himself into a VERY fishy hand postflop. Mike attempts to go all in as a bluff on the river up against a pair of 7s the guy snaps him off with an unbelievable call and owns mikes soul (priceless reaction). Then just after the hand finishes the audio and commentator visuals come back online. Interestingly enough Kasey, the person who left before is gone from the booth and somebody is in her place. After just over an hour Mike leaves the table once again (3:34:20) and Kasey returns to the booth at 3:34:44

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Old 10-07-2019, 01:25 AM   #5108
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I am told Stones Live peak/cards room had no lock on it up until very recently and was able to be accessed by anyone at anytime if desired to. VLOGGER Jaman talked about getting his backpack out of there after hours once everyone was gone w/ no one stopping him. He also would keep his backpack in there throughout play/commentating.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:25 AM   #5109
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I've probably spoken w/ about 10-15 people supporting him privately and dealt w/ more who appear to be from the area or linked to Mike on the platforms.

I haven't had anyone message me supporting his claim as a poker crusher at this point outside one friend who said Mike did well online back in the day.
These 10-15 people supporting him privately have any of them been recent? I understand people supporting him a day or 2 in but it'd be shocked if anyone thinks hes still innocent today after last 5-6 days of videos.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:26 AM   #5110
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After watching Gumpnstein's video we learn the first time mike ever cheated was on July 18th 2018( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w ). I decided to go through the video and report my findings.

2:01:10 Mike starts cheating for the first time. After a few minutes mike realizes somethings clearly not working with the program he constantly goes back and fourth between what looks like texting and then putting his phone back between his legs, finally at 2:11:28 One of the commentators pretends to clear her throat and leaves the booth. Shortly later at 2:12:26 Postle leaves the table. Then a few seconds later the commentator graphic and audio completely vanish from the screen for a couple minutes. Somewhere around the exact moment the commentator audio and visual comes back online mike is seen coming back to the table. Then at 2:16:00 The commentator(Kasey) returns back to the booth.

Later in the video i noticed at 3:15:10 Mike gets into a big hand with 55 NOTICE the size of mikes chip stack at the start of this hand. Mike is faced with a massive 4 bet pre flop and tanks. While tanking the commentator booth visual and audio vanishes once again. Mike finally makes a big call and gets himself into a VERY fishy hand postflop. Mike attempts to go all in as a bluff on the river up against a pair of 7s the guy snaps him off with an unbelievable call and owns mikes soul (priceless reaction). Then just after the hand finishes the audio and commentator visuals come back online. Interestingly enough Kasey, the person who left before is gone from the booth and somebody is in her place. After just over an hour Mike leaves the table once again (3:44:20) and Kasey returns to the booth at 3:34:44

From the spreadsheet about that session

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Old 10-07-2019, 01:26 AM   #5111
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Imagine making $850/hr over 400 hours of live poker at 1/3-5/5 and trying to convince the poker world you're not cheating.

Just imagine it.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:29 AM   #5112
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So it IS possible to make over $700 an hour at $1-$3!

Or should I say... Postleble
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:32 AM   #5113
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Okay not sure if people covered this. 53:10 timestamp.

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg

Postle is scrolling through his phone and you can see his screen pretty clearly. He's scrolling through something, anyone have any idea what he's looking at? Also after he puts his phone under his crotch, you can see he rearranges it in some way before the stream fades away.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:34 AM   #5114
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6yLN32LpGQ

Is it just me or at 1:01:30 when postle is describing why he lives in Cali. It seems like he's starting to say he likes living there because it's a great area for tech but then he starts to stumble over it as he realizes he claimed he has no technical knowledge and can't say that. Which obv doesn't line up with the tech business he claimed on his linked in page before he took it down.
So, Mike the Mouth, somewhere near the end of part 1 of this interview, had a talk with Joey I on Skype and Mike said that Part 2 would be up 'tomorrow' (meaning Saturday) with the rest of the interview and that it would be EDITED and that _NOTHING WOULD BE MISSING OF RELEVANCE_ just 'cleaned up by his tech guy.'

After listening to the exact clip sited above, that is not a trip-up by MP, it is a CLEAR EDIT by MTM/his staff. Note that when MP continues talking the whole sentence structure has changed and doesn't make sense.......there is CLEARLY missing verbiage there.

One would assume that MP wanted to hear it first, told MTM to clip that part about the technology, but missed a syllable......

At 1:01:36 "I'm happy in No. Cal....Like, there's, ya know, tech-eh (CUT) the-uh- someone sent me a clip of, you know, Joey talkin' about how beautiful it is........(and more)

This isn't even coherent....there is clearly an edit there......to lose the word technology.....to not contradict himself.




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Old 10-07-2019, 01:34 AM   #5115
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Some of the commentary by kasey has been a little suspect imo. Who is she exactly?
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:37 AM   #5116
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This document made by Utopia needs to go in the OP and is an absolute thing of beauty - notice the bottom tabs

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290



Awesome work by Utopia
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:37 AM   #5117
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Hard to tell but looks like something with a decent amount of mass and perhaps cylindrical. Maybe even chips although it appears to be silver in color. Here are a few frames, slowed down to 1 second per frame. Whatever it is he's being very protective and ginger with it:

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Old 10-07-2019, 01:44 AM   #5118
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just another 10 10 fold on turn that should call 10000% of the time lol

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=8100 2:15:00
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:47 AM   #5119
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Mike Matusow defending this guy and suggesting that it is even possible he wasn't cheating is one of the most tilting things I have ever heard. Joey was far too kind to "the mouth"...WP for showing so much restraint tho.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:47 AM   #5120
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Hey bud, dusting off my ancient account to tell you that based on your comment I can tell you don’t/haven’t played much poker. I’ve played 18k+ hours of live poker and I actually play. I don’t nit it up and wait for aces. I’ve played a dozen or so live streams with Postle and before I found out he was cheating I thought we had this super meta dynamic(that you clearly wouldn’t understand). If you knew anything about ranges you’d know that I’m pretty much the only one her that can rep 98 AND I have a blocker. Two pair+ HAS to fold to this river raise. Also based on our dynamic Postle could be bluffing, in which case this river raise is god damn perfect.

But besides that, what is your screen name? I didn’t have more, I had $735 left in my stack after I raised river because I personally think that looks 100x stronger than jamming. If you have any other comments or concerns feel free to contact my secretary and I’ll get back to you in Q3 of 2020.

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Old 10-07-2019, 01:49 AM   #5121
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I am told Stones Live peak/cards room had no lock on it up until very recently and was able to be accessed by anyone at anytime if desired to. VLOGGER Jaman talked about getting his backpack out of there after hours once everyone was gone w/ no one stopping him. He also would keep his backpack in there throughout play/commentating.
This is huge and could this mean that even if he did it alone aren't they responsible because of gross negligence.

I think there is almost certainly something to the fact then when justin is out of town he loses or plays less. I think this doesn't mean that hes in on it but rather they need him to be there to pull of this cheat.

Lets say its as simple as Mike noticed door unlocked did some research as to how to exploit it. He got a usb drive slid it into justins laptop that is in there which gets the raw footage irl. Now its then sent to Mikes phone. At first this is how Mike is cheating but he is worried hes looking at his phone too often. He never brings someone else in to help. He has the raw irl footage sent to them as well as his own phone. He start to wear hat forward instead of backwards to fit the bone conducting headphones in it. His partner either talks to mike via audio what the whole cares are or uses a text to speach app. This tech is iffy so he often still needs to sometimes look at his phone.

Whoever his inside man is also is fairly clueless at poker because they would have been watching the footage irl and telling him he needs to slow down and call behind, bluff into it, and fold some winners.

Imagine a crime where you could steal 6 figures a year easily with no risk of losing money doing it and you have the ability to not only have have your inside man watch it all irl to help but you can also look over the footage to make sure as you move forward you get better at it. I really think Mike is so far from a crusher than he thinks what he was doing is what 2019 crushers do playing this style.

All of this could mean there is really noone on the inside at all. All the memes and all the hyping of Mike could have just been them oblivious to whats actually going on right in front of their eyes.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:49 AM   #5122
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at 2:11:28 One of the commentators pretends to clear her throat and leaves the booth. Shortly later at 2:12:26 Postle leaves the table.
The commentary is filmed half an hour after the action you see at the poker table.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:52 AM   #5123
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Mike Matusow defending this guy and suggesting that it is even possible he wasn't cheating is one of the most tilting things I have ever heard. Joey was far too kind to "the mouth"...WP for showing so much restraint tho.
I don't think Mike Matusow really defended him. He just said what he needed to say to get the interview. Plus, I could see him taking a neutral position if he only watched 3 hands.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:56 AM   #5124
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just another 10 10 fold on turn that should call 10000% of the time lol

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=8100 2:15:00
Good catch. There is something with the commentators which do not make any sense at all (overall on all videos posted). Even with limited knowledge of poker there is no excuse. Must be more to this than only a one man show.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:57 AM   #5125
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Does any 2 plus 2 investigators want to review if we are missing any streams? I mean in the sense that stones used twitch and youtube. I know they were banned from streaming on youtube for several months. Are we missing any live streams from twitch?
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