Anyone know what typical standard deviations are for live games?

How are people coming up with these numbers? Are they accounting for the fact that the Stones 1/3 and 5/5 games play more like 5/10 or 10/20 in terms of stack depth, preflop betting, etc.?

Joey had this interesting theory 4 years ago, Postle keeps repeating he never wanted attention or the spotlight https://youtu.be/-VLkb9aSuI8?t=2137

We/they all know. But why risk getting caught up in a lawsuit? Same reason the thread title remains.

My god are you a ****ing imbecile. Doug spent what, 5 hrs on this case when Joey has spent every waking second since 24hrs before the case even broke. Plz keep your asinine comments to yourself. I need to go back to my strat of ignoring dumbass comments. Correcting every idiot on here is very tilting and mentally draining.

I'm pretty sure Joey is just balancing his language for legal reasons tbh. He's the main driving force behind a very large and public attack on Postle. There is a way greater than 0% risk that Postle tries to swing back at him legally somehow. Imagine if Postle were to walk free out of both a criminal and civil court over this somehow, imagine the defamation lawsuit he can turn back around with. This is what Joey is protecting himself against by repeatedly questioning just how certain it is that Postle is cheating

Connecting the way the commentators talk about Postle to them being in on the cheating is tenuous at best. It doesn't sound that different from how people talked about Tom Dwan back in the day

Theory holds true. Nice find.

I think all of us who are poker players/fans/contributors, or work in some capacity within the poker world are going to get taken to regulatory "Candy Mountain" on this. The state-regulated business model of U.S. commercial casino/cardroom licensure is going to provoke significant reactions that will be unique to each statewide jurisdiction (imo).

This scandal will have major implications for casino marketing/advertising, but like I said, the commercial regulatory changes will depend on the corresponding licensing/governing body.



This could also result in a crackdown on bomb pots, provoke buy-in limits and max-stacks, a consumer exodus away from poker to other casino gaming products, and perhaps adoption of a "Return to Player" purgatory system similar to what is spreading in the UK (aka £500 max payouts -- so far I think this only applies to FOBTs).

I think this all is going to turn out to be "just too much" for the real money, competitive poker world to overcome in the short-to-medium term. At least within the United States.

Only very few U.S. land-based casinos will find worthwhile value in major investment into monitoring/policing peer-to-peer gambling data security, game integrity, player deposits, player protections, prohibited hardware/software usage, commercial vigilance/enforcement, etc. It's just going to be too much of a headache for most gaming companies.

It's been proven that peer-to-peer gambling "net depositors" will support "for profit" aims up to a point, but there's really no legitimate case to make at this moment for promoting live poker over other casino verticals. Most casinos are going to have a greater aversion to PvP gambling moving forward I believe -- particularly at higher stakes.

This could spark a much more concentrated market for mainstream casino poker games. Perhaps Parx (Pennsylvania) and other casino poker rooms will benefit from this, but only if they're prepared to adequately secure those poker rooms.

No need for you to be offended on anyone else's behalf. I doubt anyone who got cheated in these games is mad at Joey so you shouldn't be either.

https://youtu.be/e4EJ6otUu0Q?t=494

And in fact Doug calls Postle a god in the video you linked.

"Might be named like 'Mike' or something like that." Great find!!! Joey is the real god!!!

So, by now Stones must definitely have figured out exactly wtf happened and who was in on it. They have cameras everywhere and all the IT access etc, and all the relevant employees have likely been talked to extensively. Owners and board have probably spent the entire weekend together with lawyer team (including the guy who was appointed to the 2nd "investigation") to figure out what their moves are going forward. Monday will be very interesting.

I mean, in my naive mind this is how they react to a scandal like this, which has reached mainstream national media. Maybe they're just chillin' the **** out and are going to act 100% reactionary to the whole thing but doubt it.

Couldn't agree with you more...

Oh wait...

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I doubt it he seemed over it at the end of the last investigation video. Over it myself really i mean the guy is guilty beyond doubt watching more videos of him cheating isn't going to convince me any more than it already has.

lmao holy **** thats amazing

What what now? I can say for certain you dont play in LA area and you have no idea how anything works here, especially high stakes. You could never stop bomb pots, Bike doesnt allow bomb pots but players could just agree put in X amount 1 by 1. The Bike could give a **** less about the stream, I think they just do it for bragging rights bc they treat 5/10/20 and 10.20 players like **** and a lot of LA regs dont play there bc of that. Commerce always has a consistent 10/20 game going bc they care about their players and respect them. They could make a stream 10x better but they simply do not give a flying **** about a livestream. stop posting your wild ideas as fact, ty very ****ing much.

Would be cool to see Postle's WR here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/tag/significant-digits/

Yeah... no ****. How does that have anything to do with my point? Also, I'm assuming you haven't watched that much of Joey's stuff or you'd know how his tone varies when he goes to that well

You could be right of course. And if that's the case, you've got my apology in advance here and I can make another one after the fact. We'll see I guess.

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Hi Mike or Mike's friend. You guys aren't very bright. Sorry that obvious cheater is obvious

I'm not a poker insider, but I have a few solutions that require NO investment that would have prevented ALL of this. This is NOT a technically complex issue, it is an issue of

-Lack of rules
-NON-enforcement of EXISTING rules
-Incompetence/ignorance among supposedly knowledgeable employees
-Lack of follow thru on feedback of same employees.


Although I fear you are correct in that a few agencies go overboard on the 'This is why we can't have nice things" platform, I would HOPE some REASONABLE, COMPETENT people will take this as an opening to attract some viewers to THEIR game, which is run with a 'drop your phone in the bag and play poker' mentality. More rake may not be better, but no cell phone at the table has EVER SPEEDED UP THE GAME! DiTCH 'EM!


SW

I am noticing more and more people are starting to veer away from Justin as the inside man but keep having trouble justifying how he loses when Justin is out of town. If you watch the first session Mike starts cheating he his hats backwards and it seems the phone is the only cheating device at this time. Lets say prior to this Mike either by himself or with the help of someone got a trojan on Justin's laptop. Mike is being fed the raw live information weather its the footage or just the cards irl via his phone. Mike may have been been cautious that looking at his phone nonstop may draw rd flags and had the same footage be sent to his inside man. That inside man is taking to Mike via bone conducting headphones. Possibly his inside man behind the scense and can't always relay the information to him because there may be someone in close proximity. When this happens Mike has to look at the phone to get the information for himself. From what ive read the bone conducting technology isn't amazing. So when hes pressing it to his head he is trying to hear it better and when this fails he has to look down at his phone.

If all this was the case I feel like he would almost always rely soley on the headphones and only use the phone when he can't hear the audio or when the mark can't relay it to him.

Justin may or may not be in on the cheat. I have gone back and forth for days now. I was 100 percent that he was the guy until I saw the interview he did with Mike. I may be completely wrong and hes just really good at faking it but he seems to totally fan girl over Mike. I think Justin may be clueless to what good poker looks like and thinks what Mike is doing it totally possible. When Justin is out of town they can't run their cheat not because hes out of town but rather whatever the technology they are using to cheat is passing through that changes when Justin leaves. Quickest guess for this would be possibly a laptop that is used to run the stream itself. If it was a laptop that only justin had the password for it would make complete sense. They may have even tried to infect the other device but either couldn't or realized it drastically increases the chances they get caught.

I know this is all speculation but currently this entire thread is still. In no way am i defending Justin as hes either in on it in some capacity or is the most incompetent person ever. Months ago when people reported to him Postle was cheating he either never investigated saying you guys are crazy who would cheat on a live stream and also why would his buddy chat. The other option is months ago someone told justin the inside man that Mikes cheating. Wouldn't the first thing they do is to stop cheating. It seems Mike went full stream ahead. Maybe when Mike said the other day was first time he heard about these allegations is the one time hes being honest because they never were investigated. If Mike heard rumors months ago he was being investigated would he really have continued to cheat? Granted this is the game guy who was wili to not only cheat on live stream but do it so blatantly so who knows maybe he was that cocky he wouldnt get caught.

Yikes AK fold with K84 on the board after shove by short stack , I’m convinced

There's more than just a butterfly affect. Say you have top pair weak kicker and play a hand with postle. You bet a few streets but maybe he raises the turn and fires huge on the river and you're forced to fold. You've lost $600 in the hand, but had he not been cheating you would've won say $400 in EV. How much is postle responsible for owing you in that case? Most people would assume just the $600 from cheating you, but really you've been affected more than that. I think.

***** my name is David Kang and I am a reg at 10/20 at commerce. Come at me bro. Who the **** are you?

And yea, I'd make a post defending Joey Ingram as Mike or Mikes friend, very intelligent of me.

5000th comment!

I got Postle'd