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Old 10-01-2019, 02:30 PM   #476
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I think that Mike and this guy "Justin Kuraitis" should be investigated based on the fact that Justin so staunchly defends Mike "no wrongdoing found", Justin apparently is the lead of all production, and they are friends on Facebook.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:31 PM   #477
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:31 PM   #478
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Im glad I beat one of these streams for 2K and didnt get involved in many hands with Mike. Feel pretty betrayed by what I thought was the best card room in the country and now it is safe to say they have dropped pretty damn far down the list by saying there's no evidence of anything.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:33 PM   #479
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or u could just type what u know

Detective Joey, PI is aware of my speculation. No way in hell I'm gonna start throwing out names until I get a second opinion.

Iíve been watching every stream this year, and thereís another player that seems to never ever lose even though he is a super laggy lagtard too.

Iíve got a feeling there some major corruption going on in Citrus Heights
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:35 PM   #480
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My favorite part of all of this are the people on the pro-Mike side's argument being "hey maybe he's just really good?" I don't know if he's cheating, I feel confident he is but I certainly don't *know*. But there is one thing we know for sure--he is not good at poker. Anyone who thinks a possible explanation is he's operating on a higher level than anyone is capable of understanding isn't worth discussing this with. This leaves two explanations:

1) He's cheating

2) He is running absolutely insane on the random decisions for meaningful $

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Very well said, along w the rest of your post. There is nothing new about a player who doesn't adhere to a sound strategy and makes decisions entirely off live reads and instinct. But there is something new about a guy who is apparently never wrong.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:35 PM   #481
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Detective Joey, PI is aware of my speculation. No way in hell I'm gonna start throwing out names until I get a second opinion.

Iíve been watching every stream this year, and thereís another player that seems to never ever lose even though he is a super laggy lagtard too.

Iíve got a feeling there some major corruption going on in Citrus Heights
Yup, I am almost certain just using logic and common sense that there is at least one other player involved. Especially if production or someone on the back end is the one relaying info. It would only be smart business to involve another player to make more money.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:37 PM   #482
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You think you can catch Mike Postle? You think a guy like that comes this close to getting caught, and sticks his head out? My guess is you'll never hear from him again.

Keaton always said, "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him.". Well, I believe in God and the only thing that scares me is Mike Postle.


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Old 10-01-2019, 02:38 PM   #483
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I hate to break it to you, but itís far more likely a conspiracy than the ďwinning the Powerball Millions multiple timesĒ sort of luck it would take to run be this above eV playing whalestyle.
funny story, they caught a guy cheating at keno. why did they initially suspect he was cheating? nobody ever won before.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:38 PM   #484
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There are a lot of posts implying mike has some sort of backdoor into the technology and im saying as a network security engineer, that itís highly unlikely. Youíre correct that if there is cheating, it has to be a simple relay between someone with access to BOTH the rfid information and the video feed.

According to the stones, theyíve investigated and found no wrong doing. So what is it? Some big conspiracy with multiple people and the casino involved... or some donk on donk violence.

Edit: if the production team investigated themselves then yeah lol thatís a huge red flag
There is no information whatsoever on what the investigation consisted of, or who conducted it, yet your implicit premise is that this investigation was infallible.

The investigation could have been corrupt, or it could have been incompetent, or it simply might have found no conclusive evidence since conclusive evidence of such wrongdoing is generally hard to find.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:38 PM   #485
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Yup, I am almost certain just using logic and common sense that there is at least one other player involved. Especially if production or someone on the back end is the one relaying info. It would only be smart business to involve another player to make more money.
What is so crazy about this is that if he just backed off a little this is going on for years likely. No one is figuring this out if he would just donk off one or two sessions here and there.

Thieves are smart in the short term...
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:38 PM   #486
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From most cheat offers I have heard playing live the cheats offer to already established players at the casino so its entirely possible that he was a winning player before this. Postle made the cheating afterwards so egregious that it was bound to be found out though.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:41 PM   #487
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This is what playing street poker and running like god looks like. Nobody would care or dare to accuse if this was garret instead of mike. Kinda reminds me of brad booth too. Maybe you should shut up and be thankful this guy is driving the action for all the generic nit pros to profit off of. It seems the average no limit nit cant even do that these days...
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If this was Garrett instead of mike Joey would be worshiping his sweaty nuts and getting him on the pod ASAP (wait heís already done that). Nit pros are mad at a lag action player because heís running hot at the moment.

Breaking down his game publicly and accusing him of seeing hole cards in a live game is 1. Unprofessional and 2. Ruining the much needed and missed action no limit has been missing for years and years.

This is why games have gone to ****. This is why no limit is basically dead. This is why most action poker players avoid casinos and play in private games instead.
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How many hours of footage do we have on mike vs garret? And how many total hands is that? Sample sizes are incredibly small and fortunately for mike itís been great so far.

The nits and colluding pros ran off most of the action players in no limit, and for that I havenít played a single hand of no limit in 2+ years. If the average poker game had at least 1 mike in them, the no limit boom would still be going strong.
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The action and positions are different. You cannot directly compare them together (and I hope whoever investigates realizes this.). Seems he understands ranges and his opponents love polarizing in spots where they never have it. Combine the live reads/ aspect itís almost free money. Games at the stone look amazing.

Donít bluff in spots where you have air 90% of the time against someone who knows what ranges and polarizing is and is clearly not intimidated by the money being played for

The most suspect hand is 45 vs ak ak
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If you win a bunch of money over a short amount of time in a small venue (like stones) people will accuse you of cheating or worse like physically threaten you/ try to follow you home/ run you out of game etc. Heís won too much money, too fast and now the pitch forks and conspiracy theorists have started the witch hunt
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NL games are fragile and if I was a reg at stones I would be pissed that a bunch of guys are scaring an action player off before the inevitable implosion that is waiting. Watching 15 hours of video and making wild speculations that is sure to ruin someoneís action is OOL. If there was undeniable proof that he is cheating then sure fire away. But all I see is a couple dozen hands of donk on donk aggression that doesnít deserve nvg exposure.

I think we can all agree on one thing tho, cocaine and adderall is one helluva drug ainít it
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Itís clear mike doesnt know exact hand holdings or he would be playing differently. Which means if he is cheating, it probably uses a binary value system (for speed and simplicity). But the live stream has a delay which prevents someone on the outside (or in the commentary booth) from attempting simple texts or the like.

He could be capturing the raw data and importing it into a simple program but that would depend on how the rfid information is transmitted, and how tech savvy he is. Sensitive data that transmits across casinos networks is not done on the free hotel lobby WiFi. There are laws in place that obligate companies to protect their network from the outside and enforce how the sensitive data is handled across the network. Mike better be a pentester or better if he chose this route. And if he did, he would be prosecuted under the full extent of the law.

So how exactly could he be cheating?
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So the theory that your basing these accusations and shaming is: a film/ production crew member (an employee of the casino and or licensed to work by the commission) has chosen to risk guaranteed, long jail sentences when caught, to split the profits of a small cash game?

You factor in the jail time and they probably wonít even average out more than minimum wage and a felony following you around for life lol. And thatís only factoring if itís a 2 man job!

Or maybe the guy understands live poker very well and runs hotter than the sun (no different than the current pros you see at high stakes televised games)
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Matt Berkey is a sensitive douche who most likely started the rumors. If heís invested in RFID then he must know how that data is transmitted from the sensors through the casinos protected network. This isnít James Bond, hacking this especially in a 24x7 monitored environment is unlikely.

Stones investigated and found nothing... so itís not faulty hardware or hacking. So you guys are basically accusing the stones live stream owner for being in on it. Again, unlikely considering what they have to lose.
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Depending on the range, most likely the data is transmitted through WiFi. An unsecured AP in a casino environment is extremely unlikely. And the network and network security team have to be involved in order for the data to get from point a to point b.

The point Iím making is itís next to impossible for a 3rd party to hack into this. Mike is just good at poker at runs hot... or the show creator is in on cheat. If Berkey and co think the the shows creators are in on it they wtf are they playing in the first place?
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I donít think Joey would take a bunch of adderall and spend 20+ hours of his life ďinvestigatingĒ because some random stones players sent him a pm. Someone he respects (Berkey) told him and thatís when this blew up and turned mikes life into hell.

Being suspicious isnít enough to dragging this guys name through the mud and ruining all of his future action. You have to how he does it before making accusations and ruining this persons professional and personal life.
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There are a lot of posts implying mike has some sort of backdoor into the technology and im saying as a network security engineer, that itís highly unlikely. Youíre correct that if there is cheating, it has to be a simple relay between someone with access to BOTH the rfid information and the video feed.

According to the stones, theyíve investigated and found no wrong doing. So what is it? Some big conspiracy with multiple people and the casino involved... or some donk on donk violence.

Edit: if the production team investigated themselves then yeah lol thatís a huge red flag

You're trying too hard.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:43 PM   #488
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My read is that Justin and others are in on it
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:44 PM   #489
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From vlogger Jaman Burton. Title of the video? "Avoid Mike Postle", and this is an old video FYI from 2018. Link goes to one of the more "interesting" hands...
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:46 PM   #490
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If I played in this game and lost one of these big hands on stream to him, I would probably start looking into legal representation. Not saying you would get anything but if there is proof that casino employees are in on this then with out a doubt there is some major legal **** on hand.

Anyone reach out to any gaming boards in cali or anything?
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:48 PM   #491
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the scary thing is, the only reason why this came out is because this guy is so terrible at poker AND greedy. If he was just a bit less bad, enough to be able to simulate a winning play, or if he wasnt so greedy and decided to lose a big pot from time to time on purpose, this would have never come up.

A decent player could just play normally and then "take a look" at his opponents cards 2-3 times per session in some big spots and get a massive winrate boost without raising much suspicion. I really hope the way he cheated will be dissected and made public, so that appropriate measures can be taken to prevent that.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:49 PM   #492
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This is the greediest/dumbest one yet. A few times when someone else shows insane heart and the cheater has air they should give it up. Probably why the other inside man jumped in to correct it. Wonder if they argued about this one when they were chopping up the other players' winnings.
I can understand an RFID error but how did they know it was a 9s? First it was a 6d then they say it's an RFID error and it turns into 9s? Doesn't make sense.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:51 PM   #493
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There is no information whatsoever on what the investigation consisted of, or who conducted it, yet your implicit premise is that this investigation was infallible.

The investigation could have been corrupt, or it could have been incompetent, or it simply might have found no conclusive evidence since conclusive evidence of such wrongdoing is generally hard to find.
Dude itís a bm casino. There are laws and protocols and a mountain of liability if they **** up. I just assume a company with a lot to lose would investigate properly.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:51 PM   #494
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Andreas Froehli reviews 5 hands......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKg...ature=youtu.be
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:55 PM   #495
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I can understand an RFID error but how did they know it was a 9s? First it was a 6d then they say it's an RFID error and it turns into 9s? Doesn't make sense.
Not to mention the 8 seems to have changed suits as well.
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the scary thing is, the only reason why this came out is because this guy is so terrible at poker AND greedy. If he was just a bit less bad, enough to be able to simulate a winning play, or if he wasnt so greedy and decided to lose a big pot from time to time on purpose, this would have never come up.

A decent player could just play normally and then "take a look" at his opponents cards 2-3 times per session in some big spots and get a massive winrate boost without raising much suspicion. I really hope the way he cheated will be dissected and made public, so that appropriate measures can be taken to prevent that.
exactly.i'm sure he's not the only one to cheat on these streams. other cheaters are just smart enough to stack off boat over boat or nut flush vs straight flush,not only bluff into absolute dirt etc
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:56 PM   #497
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There are a lot of posts implying mike has some sort of backdoor into the technology and im saying as a network security engineer, that it’s highly unlikely. You’re correct that if there is cheating, it has to be a simple relay between someone with access to BOTH the rfid information and the video feed.

According to the stones, they’ve investigated and found no wrong doing. So what is it? Some big conspiracy with multiple people and the casino involved... or some donk on donk violence.

Edit: if the production team investigated themselves then yeah lol that’s a huge red flag

Do you HONESTLY think Stones is going to admit, hey we investigated and found out we have allowed a cheater(s) to play for the past year and win hundreds of thousands of dollars? (Yes, I think there’s more than one player that’s guilty)

No. They would NOT admit anything. Use some damm logic. Please.

They would never admit to finding anything. Ever.

The StonesLive should be shut down until another production company is in charge.

Postle isn’t the only HUGE winner up there. Just start watching and you’ll see
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:57 PM   #498
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he even threw in a win in the stones spring classic for 36k which gave me a little chuckle.
Does stones stream their tournament ft's? I was just thinking about him hopelessly grinding tournaments with his "uber skillz" trying to make a FT so he could turn cheat mode on

There's no way a guy who cheats this bad, is in any way good at poker

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Old 10-01-2019, 02:57 PM   #499
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Dude itís a bm casino. There are laws and protocols and a mountain of liability if they **** up. I just assume a company with a lot to lose would investigate properly.
A lot of crimes go unsolved. It doesn't mean they weren't investigated properly, nor does it mean that wrongdoing did not occur.

Dude, you're clutching at straws. Also, interesting that a network security engineer with a zero-day account would suddenly pop up in this thread from its inception to throw doubt on the accusations. Maybe someone should investigate that.
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Old 10-01-2019, 02:57 PM   #500
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The RFID errors are another heap of BS...

He magically has the nuts everytime it looks way too suspect of a play. That 89 hand was a joke. I'd be looking at whoever's is in charge of saying he had 89 instead of 86
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