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Old 10-06-2019, 06:49 PM   #4926
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Hey Master LJ, another blast from the past, appreciate you posting.

Could I ask whether you know for a fact Lance was working on Stones Live during the WSOP period? He mentions dealing at the WSOP in his CV.

It also mentions he is responsible for the card graphics. Do you know whether Lance always worked on the live shows? Was he the only person responsible for this? If not, who else was? And where was this done? In the 'peep room'?

Who is the person you said was very concerned with the safety of their personal laptop?

Cheers
I do not believe he went to WSOP this year, but I could be wrong. I know at the end of May he was on vacation.

I'm not sure it's fair that I try to construct a timeline for someone else. I've provided what I know, that he was off the production team in like Aprilish of 2019, and he was on vacation for one, if not both, of Godmode streams on May 20 and June 1st.

EDIT: And the details of meme creation, graphics, etc, I don't know. Anyone on the production team had or has access to change hole cards though, through PokerGFX.
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Old 10-06-2019, 06:53 PM   #4927
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So this is all based on the headset switch or were people mistakenly thinking Lance made the memes? Either way, seems like ppl are reaching.
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Old 10-06-2019, 06:57 PM   #4928
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Why? Based on what I've seen, Mike Postle is someone I'd really want in my game. I'd rather he not get to keep the money, so I say we let him play.
Based on what you've seen when he's superusing, which is a completely different style of play than what I've witnessed when he is not superusing.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:00 PM   #4929
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Not defending Mike by any means, but doesn't it seem more likely on the T7 vs AQ hand that he would lead river instead of checkraise if he knew the hand? Unless he somehow knows lawyer is betting 3rd pair here 100% of the time, seems more likely to checkback
Not really. I wouldn’t try to bluff the lawyer off a pair (for a single bet) if I knew his cards. Maybe you could make it work with an overbet but that’s a stretch. Check call turn bc you think your good then overbet donk bluff river blank?

That’s why he looks so pissed when the 7 hits the river.
“**** now I have to check and let him win”
Then the lawyer inexplicably bets his hand and mike seizes the opportunity.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:04 PM   #4930
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Is Joeingram1 Part 7 Tonight?????
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:05 PM   #4931
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I'm amazed he got away with this for as long as he did.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:16 PM   #4932
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Not at all surprising, but nice to see some confirmation the gaming commission is investigating.

http://www.capradio.org/articles/201...gambling-hall/

"Stones Gambling Hall says it has hired a former U.S. attorney to investigate the accusations. The California Gambling Control Board is investigating, as well, according to Stones, but the agency declined to confirm or comment."
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:16 PM   #4933
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quick little GIF. Postle laughing in your face right after he forces you to fold AQo no flush draw....

This guy is beyond the pale.

The worst thing about this hand (I mean second worst) was the so-called commentary. This was a hand on Gumpstein's video that made me pretty sick to watch.

https://youtu.be/2aGD4FYX9NA?t=1238

The hand starts at 20:37 and goes on for a good five minutes but the commentators refuse to talk about anything after the flop. It almost seems deliberate, like they were told not to be too serious or really analyze hands street by street (or my other hypothesis, whoever was in charge of hiring didn't want any commentators who really knew poker).

I don't watch many live streams, but I know from just playing hours of poker that interesting hands don't occur very often. Isn't it their job to talk about the big, and especially weird hands, like this one? Wouldn't you be looking for that, and save the stupid chat for other, more standard pots or between hands?

They don't even announce Mike's huge (ridiculous) turn raise ffs, from $325 to $1300?? Or even mention it while the hand continues for like two minutes.

They're talking about everything but the action, and the lady seems a little drunk.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:17 PM   #4934
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I am a London based lawyer that had some involvement in the Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondent) case.

I'm fascinated by these set of circumstances.

There must necessarily be a confession by Mr Postle and/or accomplice(s) or overwhelming physical or visual evidence for this case to end up in any court of law - certainly in the UK. Simple speculation accompanied by mathematical, statistical and probability charts won't do. Everything I've read in these pages is nothing more than hearsay - in a court of law - in the UK.

In the UK we would have had the premises involved closed, sealed and searched by now. All computer hardware and software seized and all CCTV footage obtained. Many witness statements would already have been taken.

To my mind this is not an internal investigation by Stones this is already a police matter.

Does anybody know the status in respect of this?
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:18 PM   #4935
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I'm amazed he got away with this for as long as he did.
This amazed me the most as well I think thats why I'm so addicted to this story.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:21 PM   #4936
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I do not believe he went to WSOP this year, but I could be wrong. I know at the end of May he was on vacation.

I'm not sure it's fair that I try to construct a timeline for someone else. I've provided what I know, that he was off the production team in like Aprilish of 2019, and he was on vacation for one, if not both, of Godmode streams on May 20 and June 1st.

EDIT: And the details of meme creation, graphics, etc, I don't know. Anyone on the production team had or has access to change hole cards though, through PokerGFX.
ok thanks, appreciated. EDIT: Do you why Lance left in April? There isn't anything more recent on his LinkedIn.

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Also to add, a certain person that is being looked at closely, had no technical skills, but was trained to run everything (pokergfx etc) in the first quarter/early second quarter of 2019 and that this person was very secretive with their personal laptop.
And this is referring to Justin?

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Old 10-06-2019, 07:22 PM   #4937
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Not at all surprising, but nice to see some confirmation the gaming commission is investigating.

http://www.capradio.org/articles/201...gambling-hall/

"Stones Gambling Hall says it has hired a former U.S. attorney to investigate the accusations. The California Gambling Control Board is investigating, as well, according to Stones, but the agency declined to confirm or comment."
Others here in the poker business in California have posted in the thread that the Cali Gambling Control Board isn't very competent. I called there the day after this thread started to get information, and was given the contact number for their enforcement bureau, the department that handles investigations into cheating allegations. The women whose voicemail I got could barely - and I mean barely - speak coherent English, and didn't seem to really understand what I was telling her, even with a very, very simplified explanation and request.

So, we'll see if the CGCB has more effective field agents than the people they have manning their phones - I hope they do. It's a shame that the Vegas gambling authorities can't be brought in for this.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:23 PM   #4938
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So this is pretty amazing from Gump's video. May have been referenced already. Calls a very small (not compared to flop, but $20 bet, small to him) post flop bet from a set of 9's with JTo on a 923cc. He has the J clubs so backdoor straight and flush draw. He turns a J (top pair), and then FOLDS to a 1/2 pot bet:

I imagine a lot of people might be skipping over the individual hands at this point because we've all seen a ton of them and we all get it, he's very obviously cheating. But you really have to watch this one (29:50). This is the most damning single hand out of anything that's been posted ITT by a distance imo.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:28 PM   #4939
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I am a London based lawyer that had some involvement in the Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondent) case.

I'm fascinated by these set of circumstances.

There must necessarily be a confession by Mr Postle and/or accomplice(s) or overwhelming physical or visual evidence for this case to end up in any court of law - certainly in the UK. Simple speculation accompanied by mathematical, statistical and probability charts won't do. Everything I've read in these pages is nothing more than hearsay - in a court of law - in the UK.

In the UK we would have had the premises involved closed, sealed and searched by now. All computer hardware and software seized and all CCTV footage obtained. Many witness statements would already have been taken.

To my mind this is not an internal investigation by Stones this is already a police matter.

Does anybody know the status in respect of this?
Law enforcement agencies generally do not disclose that they are actively pursuing an investigation: I suspect UK law enforcement agencies operate in a similar manner. I believe a local news outlet contacted California Gaming Commission: they received the standard "we cannot confirm nor deny details of any potential ongoing investigations" response.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:28 PM   #4940
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

This video is from 27th Nov 2018. Here we have proof that Postle can not see the run out as he folds KK on a QQxx board and the other player holding Qx. However there is another player also in the pot so we get to see the river card, which is K. The hand begins at 7:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6DueV9aHc

Feel really sorry for the guy which have made this video as he was one of the victims losing a grand in the game.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:32 PM   #4941
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Not undeserved, but...

I wonder how thing's are going inside the Postle household? I could only imagine the stress and pressure mounting on him. Constant lies to his wife, family, friends. Everyone watching his life crumble.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:34 PM   #4942
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One of the things that Berkey and Soto alluded to in their video that I thought was interesting was that they had these big name guys come in with substantial social media followings and didn't promote it at all. They said it was almost like they didn't want more eyes on the stream.

If I had to guess, and it's completely a guess, I'd say they were trying to get some higher stakes games in there to get more money on the table but without getting more eyes on the stream.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:37 PM   #4943
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Others here in the poker business in California have posted in the thread that the Cali Gambling Control Board isn't very competent. I called there the day after this thread started to get information, and was given the contact number for their enforcement bureau, the department that handles investigations into cheating allegations. The women whose voicemail I got could barely - and I mean barely - speak coherent English, and didn't seem to really understand what I was telling her, even with a very, very simplified explanation and request.

So, we'll see if the CGCB has more effective field agents than the people they have manning their phones - I hope they do. It's a shame that the Vegas gambling authorities can't be brought in for this.
Even if the person on the phone spoke perfect English; what information were you expecting to get? They wouldn't/don't provide information pertaining to active investigations anyway. If you wanted to make a complaint, I believe their website has the necessary information for members of the public to do so.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:41 PM   #4944
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Law enforcement agencies generally do not disclose that they are actively pursuing an investigation: I suspect UK law enforcement agencies operate in a similar manner. I believe a local news outlet contacted California Gaming Commission: they received the standard "we cannot confirm nor deny details of any potential ongoing investigations" response.
It's not like that at all. Law enforcement around the world are usually happy to tell the public when they are investigating things. Just load up any news site every other story will confirm it.

I don't know why the gaming commission doesn't want to confirm/deny an investigation but if I had to guess I'd say it probably dates back to when the business wasn't so clean.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:43 PM   #4945
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In the UK we would have had the premises involved closed, sealed and searched by now. All computer hardware and software seized and all CCTV footage obtained. Many witness statements would already have been taken.

To my mind this is not an internal investigation by Stones this is already a police matter.

Does anybody know the status in respect of this?
Stones has hired the owner's personal lawyer to investigate the matter
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:44 PM   #4946
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Not undeserved, but...

I wonder how thing's are going inside the Postle household? I could only imagine the stress and pressure mounting on him. Constant lies to his wife, family, friends. Everyone watching his life crumble.
He's a single father. If he wasn't an absolute narcissist I'd guess he'd be close to suicidal. Then again any reasonable human being, who would be suicidal in this spot, wouldn't do what he did from the get-go anyhow. **** him.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:47 PM   #4947
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Let's not go too far down that road.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:48 PM   #4948
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Even if the person on the phone spoke perfect English; what information were you expecting to get? They wouldn't/don't provide information pertaining to active investigations anyway. If you wanted to make a complaint, I believe their website has the necessary information for members of the public to do so.
It in fact does NOT. I had to call in to the numbers on their website, and go through 2 different layers just to get the correct department name and number. I have few posts here, you can easily check my past posts to see where I posted the phone number and department name. I wasn't looking for info regarding an investigation, there is no way one could have started yet when I first started calling, remember this was only a day after this story broke here. What I WAS looking for was the correct person/department to whom somebody involved in the games at Stones should be calling and punching a complaint WITH - in order to get the ball rolling on a law enforcement investigation into Stones/Postle/et al.

This person with the Enforcement Bureau at California Gaming was the one who couldn't speak English in a manner well enough for me to even convey the initial info about Postle, let alone find out how to have a complaint registered (again, not by me, but by someone involved in the games who was cheated, and who has a legal right to do so) - I'm not being a dick about that, it's just facts. I have a recording of the calls if you really want me to post it...

I'll repeat, this doesn't mean that the agents in the field who'll be investigating will be as incompetent, but as I posted before, others in the gaming business in California have posted in this thread that their dealings with California Gambling has been less than stellar.

My past posts on the subject :

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Someone in the Polk live stream chat said they called the CGCB and was told they and/or the DOJ were already investigating.

Technically it's not them that really handles these matters, it's the enforcement bureau of another dept. I'm not living in the USA right now, but if someone wants to call in and punch a complaint (especially someone who has played vs Mike Pustule would be optimal, but not necessary), call the following number, and ask for the enforcement bureau and complaints department.

1 916 830 1700.
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Poker players, in particular those of you who still care about your community - please, do NOT let Stones run the only investigation here. As stated, they are putting a lawyer who defends criminals and fraudsters for a living in charge of their own internal investigation. I already posted the phone number and department required to speak with, in order to have an official law enforcement/gambling comission enforcement bureau investigation initiated. I'd do it myself but I'm a: not American, and b: don't have more than a passing interest in watching poker.

Somebody needs to either start the investigation process by being the one to register and official complaint, or, ensure that this has already begun. I say this because Stones obviously has a pretty poor record of self investigation already (not having even spoken to Postle in the first one, that or he and Justin are both lying about that, which is worse IMO), and has already showed a lassez faire attitude with the Twitter graphic and many of their posts/Tweets already. Do NOT let them/Postle/everyone involved/etc skate on this.

Joey, whoever -
1 916 830 1700. and ask to get transferred to the enforcement bureau and complaints division.

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Old 10-06-2019, 07:50 PM   #4949
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I am a London based lawyer that had some involvement in the Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondent) case.

I'm fascinated by these set of circumstances.

There must necessarily be a confession by Mr Postle and/or accomplice(s) or overwhelming physical or visual evidence for this case to end up in any court of law - certainly in the UK. Simple speculation accompanied by mathematical, statistical and probability charts won't do. Everything I've read in these pages is nothing more than hearsay - in a court of law - in the UK.

In the UK we would have had the premises involved closed, sealed and searched by now. All computer hardware and software seized and all CCTV footage obtained. Many witness statements would already have been taken.

To my mind this is not an internal investigation by Stones this is already a police matter.

Does anybody know the status in respect of this?
Exactly, if you were running a stream that avged 100 to 200 viewers a night, wouldn't you want to promote a higher stakes game and high stakes pro entering your game like Matt Berkey, who has played in LATB and Poker After Dark, as well as tournaments such as the Super High Roller Bowl? This all falls into the culture that Justin has created at Stones Live to conveniently misrepresent players chip stacks, dank memes promoting Mike as a god, and the commentators consistently making ool comments about Mikes plays, such as outrageous folds as being normal. I'm not saying this to implicate any commentators, I am saying that it is probable that the insiders involved in this created an atmosphere and company culture that made it easier for this to take place. If anyone is wondering, my fingers pointing at Justin.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:51 PM   #4950
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It's not like that at all. Law enforcement around the world are usually happy to tell the public when they are investigating things. Just load up any news site every other story will confirm it.

I don't know why the gaming commission doesn't want to confirm/deny an investigation but if I had to guess I'd say it probably dates back to when the business wasn't so clean.
What you consider "tell the public when they are investigating things" are specific scenarios of high publicity, i.e. having a press conference about a serial killer, etc. Suffice it to say, it's abundantly obvious that law enforcement would be actively investigating a murder/several murders. Now ask them who their main suspects are, they will not answer that question. If you think law enforcement will always tell you about active investigations; contact your local police department, give them the name and address of your neighbor and ask if there are any ongoing criminal investigation on him/her: they will be polite, but basically tell you to "go pound sand." The polite version being "we cannot confirm nor deny any details of active/ongoing investigations.
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