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Old 10-06-2019, 10:10 AM   #4651
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Really? I've played live probably 15 years before I really spent any time with online poker sites/forums and I have never seen this innate ability before. I started at $1/2 and play up to $10/20 regularly with the rare high stakes thrown in.

What is pretty standard stuff is players, even perennial winners, lose big pots, and get caught on bluffs. I've also never seen someone jam rivers with 100% success. What is standard is regd picking up on someone jamming constantly in that position and calling now and then.

"I wouldn't expect a player who reads 2+2 to understand that" is actually the dumbest part of your entire clueless post. It's even a weak troll if that was the goal.
Nits who play like robots and only bluff with 55% equity.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:11 AM   #4652
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24:30 We can see mike phone turn on with a big blue screen as he gets up. Does that all blue screen mean anything with regards to obs, the stream setup, the live feed, or etc....?

Because it clearly isn't a regular homescreen. Could the all blue be the background to the software that shows the hole cards? Anyone zoom in on that blue screen, it almost looks like a line of text towards the top? I need you 2 plus 2 detectives to zoom in and .25 speed that video frame by frame LETS GO. 24:30

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=1461
Also this happened July 30th 2018, So it was just around the time he started god mode. Is that blue screen related to the rfid raw data stream he could be getting?
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:12 AM   #4653
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He doesn't just keep it in his lap. He tucks it underneath/between his legs in the most hidden position possible.

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=12058
Yeah I posted a similar finding earlier from a different video. Your angle is much clearer, nice find.

You can try this at home. Sit on your phone like he does, and turn on any of the streams. You only need visibility to the left side of your screen to see four or five players hole cards. I thought it might be too small to see, but it's pretty clear. Your thighs can cover most of the screen so there aren't many angles that can see from around you except straight down. I imagine his left hand is hanging out down there in case he needs to hit the home button to quickly close any apps in case of emergency.

Also I'll have to give the matusow podcast a listen again, but he is ready to hand over his hat and keys and has a good laugh about it. Did he say he'd give over his phone to someone to analyze?
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:14 AM   #4654
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For the people who missed it, he revealed where the bone conductor thing sits


ding ding ding



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Old 10-06-2019, 10:18 AM   #4655
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Absolutely amazing can I copy the text here just for us to have a beautiful copy of that info?
I don’t see why not!
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:18 AM   #4656
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Very interesting thread just popped up on Reddit - would encourage everyone to check it out. Provides precise timelines of when Mike started cheating...

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...first_cheated/
Pulled up that july 18 stream on twitch. Around 03:08:30 mark he played an interesting hand w/T7hh cold calling 3bet out of straddle. superusing?
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:22 AM   #4657
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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This is how I know mike is full of ****, had I ran this good and was not cheating I would not be suprised at all of people accusing me of cheating, if I was in mikes spot I would understand why people are accusing me.

If mike was smart he would just simply say "I understand why people are accusing of me of cheating, but I just simply ran extremely good", mike does not take this approach, mike takes the approach of trying to explain his play with answers like "tell theory", TELL THEORY?!?! at live 1/3, bluffing 3way/4way at 1/3 ?!?! He thinks by trying to explain his play it will show his innocence, but to any winning player these answers just make him more suspicious.
The most amazing aspect of his theory level tells is that he is able to do it without looking at the table, other players, engaging any of them, and will 'coaching and helping with deposits and withdrawals' in his private group.

Speaking from firsthand experience, when initially accused of something you didn't do, it's natural to be a little non plussed. That's because the accusations are so insane. When it gains legs, you get defensive and then angry. The anger builds and you start attacking the accusers. At my sentencing, I lost my **** when the judge asked if I had anything to say. I yelled, cursed out the ADA, judge, and the entire circus. My co-defendant was calm, methodical, and tried to reason out the entire event when given his time to speak. Postle shows zero traits of being innocent.

Something this damning to a person's reputation would bring out extreme defensiveness and even the more meek and timid people would lash out.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:25 AM   #4658
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ding ding ding



Ding fkng ding!

That explains the buldge
That explains the dimple on his head
That explains him adjusting / pushing his hat firmer to his skull several times
That explains him pushing shut his left ear to block out ambient sound an hear the bone conducting audio better
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:30 AM   #4659
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I think he could have acted as a lone wolf with regards to stones. I think he could have had his brother or super close friend thats not related to stones call him using the speakers in the headphones and both of them just having a copy of the nondelayed stream/feed.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:32 AM   #4660
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

That reddit thread is going to make even the most ardent doubters jump on board. That was the session of the 55 vs 67 hand Frank makes the absurd call he got owned shortly after he first started Super using. Fat Train at 3:02ish of that stream even comments about how pained Mike looks while grabbing his head and looking down.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:34 AM   #4661
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Ding fkng ding!

That explains the buldge
That explains the dimple on his head
That explains him adjusting / pushing his hat firmer to his skull several times
That explains him pushing shut his left ear to block out ambient sound an hear the bone conducting audio better
Some users have earplugs when listening to bone conduction - makes it clearer. If his hand is going up to his ear when the table is noisier or is more frequent when he is in a hand that would be pretty damning.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:34 AM   #4662
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Hell Yea on the reddit thread!
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:41 AM   #4663
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I've already seen lots of the Stones vids on YouTube, but hadn't been aware until now Stones also have a twitch channel with lots of sessions with Postle, which may be different games to those on YouTube, here's a link to them:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/4073717...=all&sort=time
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:41 AM   #4664
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Love this hand he played against a vlogger. Mike folds KK on turn because he can see (incorrect fold?) and K ball comes on river. This proves mike is a cheater and also doesn't know runout. The commentator says "Mike Correctly folds KK on turn".

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Old 10-06-2019, 10:42 AM   #4665
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

just did a search on google: "Stones Casino taylor tech"


Scroll alittle down and i found this:





Of course the org post has been deleted from facebook, but it say who work in the tech room?
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:42 AM   #4666
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So is mike gonna have a third podcast to clear this all up?
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:46 AM   #4667
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Mike gets openly frustrated when he bluffs and opponents call with nothing. He will often fling his hand up in frustration. Nobody who is bluffing would ever do this. If I'm raising aaX with 72 there's zero chance I would show frustration that makes no sense at all.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:50 AM   #4668
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Not saying he is in on it but he sure does have the right background to assist on something like this. He also comes to talk to Mike when the graphics aren't showing up.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth/
I know someone has done the cross check with mikes alleged cheating when Justin is out of town. Anyone looked to see if Lance is around when his winning/losing sessions are going on?

Lance’s background is to perfect to be involved in something like this. Takes over stones live, within a year someone is cheating. Prior jobs consist of mobile app development, working on servers for data centers etc.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:51 AM   #4669
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I strongly disagree that if the majority of players had access to their opponents hole cards that they wouldn’t be able to maximize/minimize their wins and losses. Mike is unable to articulate even a modicum of basic strategy when reviewing hands. He chalks up decisions to how much alcohol he consumed or if a floor man suggested a hand for him to win with. Seems very unlikely that he’s smarter then the average poker player.

Also a lot of poker players have kids or unique living situations. He mentions his daughter constantly as a tactic to deflect blame and garner sympathy and it’s quite predictable behavior from a guilty person.
A random 1/2 player could not have done what Postle did. What he did was way more complex that just bet or call when ahead, hold when behind. His bet sizing and timing is often deliberate. He bets to get called by bluff catchers, he bets to keep draws in, or he bets to induce a bluff.

The fact that he can't talk about is plays - there is no logic reasoning behind much of it. The 54o has no logical explanation other than doing it for laughs. Many hands have no logic behind it, and if he tried to explain it he'd get torn apart. Saying it's for laughs, or reading skills, or whatever BS is probably better than trying to talk about it logically.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:51 AM   #4670
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just did a search on google: "Stones Casino taylor tech"


Scroll alittle down and i found this:





Of course the org post has been deleted from facebook, but it say who work in the tech room?
You can click to cached version

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Old 10-06-2019, 10:52 AM   #4671
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To all the law guys in here, can you please stop citing codes or whatever and contact authorities to look into this matter? I mean you are the guys that know how to do it so do it already!
The guy deserves jail time whether it says so in your codes or not!
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:07 AM   #4672
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if they acknowledge there was in fact cheating of some kind, are they suddenly liable or on the hook for any losses incurred by any player that played with Postle or any streamed game?
Highly likely. VerStandig tweeted that he anticipates bringing suit within the next week. That suit wouldn't be worth even the filing fee if only Mike were potentially liable. Any civil suit needs a deep-pocketed defendant to make it worthwhile, and Stones certainly has the $$ to pay up.

Been a while since I was a civil litigator, but two legal concepts jump to mind:

1. Vicarious liability (aka respondeat superior). Stones can be liable for torts committed by its employees. Would not be surprised if the waiver that stream participants signed waived negligence claims, but they generally cant make you waive claims for reckless or intentional torts. If there was an employee of Stones in on the scheme, Stones could be on the hook.

2. Third party premises liability. Premises liability usually deals with physical injury. Think slip and fall at the grocery store. Faulty staircase at the apartment complex. Third party premises liability involves being liable for the reasonably foreseeable bad acts of other people on your property when you failed to exercise reasonable care to prevent those acts. e.g. I get mugged in the dark corner of the parking lot after the property owner fails to replace the burnt-out light and clearly-broken security camera for 4 months, in a high-crime area.

This sort of theory may be used so that even if Mike acted alone, and no single Stones employee were necessarily negligent in and of themselves, Stones could be still be liable for not taking reasonable care generally that its invitees were protected from being cheated and stolen from.

You could honestly do a montage of alllll the times the commentators said something about how Mike's play was insane, how could he know that was a good/bad card, it's like he knows the other players' cards, only Mike and nobody else could make that play, as if the cards are face up, etc.

Ask: Did this prompt them to investigate whether Mike may be cheating? No. They made "Postle is the Poker Lovechild of Jesus and Chuck Norris" memes instead. Seemingly no care whatsoever, let alone reasonable care.

Anyhoo, just wait for the suit to be filed. Read the complaint. You'll see what legal theories are being used to try to collect from Stones.




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Old 10-06-2019, 11:09 AM   #4673
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pSU...outu.be&t=7760


look at him all angry here trying to signal or talk to the camera. i think has to do with people changing seats or asking him
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:10 AM   #4674
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I have read a fair amount of this thread and I have a few questions and observations:

1. Were there any security cameras over this game that could zoom in on whatever Mike was watching on his phone? I assume he and his accomplice made it so anyone looking at his screen couldn’t immediately decipher the information, but if the casino didn’t get that information, they were very negligent.

2. When people started having cell phones at the table, we assumed that floorpeople would at times look over the shoulder at the phone of anyone in a hand who was suspected of cheating.

3. I have been cheated about 20 times where the method was found out. The most I ever got back was money from a current hand or current session when the guy was caught. I’ve seen cheaters be barred or ostracized, but the only time I’ve seen them do jail time is when the casino pressed charges. (Stacked deck to hit a jackpot is one example, cheating at blackjack with the dealer false shuffling is another.)

4. A top player doesn’t do things that can invite suspicion when he is consistently killing a game. For example, if you walk into Bobby’s room, you will never see a top cash game player wearing sunglasses, because we all know they can be used to read marked cards. (Yes some tournament players wear them, but they aren’t playing for six figures every day.) If he was a top player and an intelligent person like he claims, he would have kept his phone out of sight any time he was in a hand.

5. Is there a way to individuals to pay Joey on his YouTube channel, or does someone need to set up a gofundme account? The community should pitch in $20 per person. Higher stakes players should give $100.
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:17 AM   #4675
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pSU...outu.be&t=7760


look at him all angry here trying to signal or talk to the camera. i think has to do with people changing seats or asking him
He's not gesturing towards the camera here, he's talking to someone in the room
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