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Old 10-05-2019, 07:50 PM   #4201
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Guys he was able to keep cheating because he mixed in some streams of him not super using. He thought if he could mix in some streams/sessions of no superusing he would continue to fly under the radar. Thats why he took over a month off of superusing, (well also because he could start to feel some pressure from veronica, etc, and the initial investigation). His fault was in the streams he was superusing he never backed down. He never made mistakes, he was a god. His ego and delusion told him im not even gonna try to hide it because i can just hide it by not cheating next stream. And that is what he would do, that is one reason why he justified to keep doing it.
Yeah it could also be that
- The colluding companion's are out of town those sessions hes not on god mode

And why they keep doing it so blatantly I think
- They are very stupid
- They are promoting the room , they think nobody is going to watch all the streams and spot it. They think only snippets of these crazy hands go online to promote the room. They are sugar coating the crazy plays all the time with "thats just mike" "power of postle thinking"
- They need to divide the profit over multiple people in the scam
- Greed
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:54 PM   #4202
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Alright i just sent a bunch of time going through the first day or 2 of posts because it was clear mike knew about the thread and anyone whos dumb enough to do interviews with anyone let alone mike the mouth had to be in here. Id bet pretty good money "Maxeth" is Mike. First few posts are just defending him hard then when it was clear that everyone on here knows he cheating he is pushing a narrative for one reason or another.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:54 PM   #4203
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Actually, more like laws. The basic laws of mathematics which seems to be the language that the entire universe operates on. The specific laws that are being violated by this win rate can best be understood by attending a 600 level University mathematics course in Probability and Statistics. You'll probably want to take a few basic and intermediate mathematical courses first to get the full benefit.
I've taken this course. Have you?
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:58 PM   #4204
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Actually, more like laws. The basic laws of mathematics which seems to be the language that the entire universe operates on. The specific laws that are being violated by this win rate can best be understood by attending a 600 level University mathematics course in Probability and Statistics. You'll probably want to take a few basic and intermediate mathematical courses first to get the full benefit.
And since you're a scholar, what did Einstein say about mathematics?

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." Albert Einstein

All kidding aside; "basic laws of mathematics" may be good enough for you. I wouldn't recommend a lawyer saying that in court
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:58 PM   #4205
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Yeah it could also be that
- The colluding companion's are out of town those sessions hes not on god mode

And why they keep doing it so blatantly I think
- They are very stupid
- They are promoting the room , they think nobody is going to watch all the streams and spot it. They think only snippets of these crazy hands go online to promote the room. They are sugar coating the crazy plays all the time with "thats just mike" "power of postle thinking"
- They need to divide the profit over multiple people in the scam
- Greed
Agreed. Who is self aware enough to make it look good by just picking a few sessions to play straight up. If he had half a brain he would have only superused in giant pots so every session has bunch of hands of him not playing perfect.

I am not saying he is in particular but i really think a lot of people may be trying to drive a narrative here. For example lets say he does have an inside man in this someone would come in here insisting hes working alone and that the losing sessions aren't the inside money unavailable.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:59 PM   #4206
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...the commentator is busy commentating, not analyzing...
Pretty sure the good ones (commentators/color/announcers etc.) can do both. They're not mutually exclusive ffs. If they aren't (doing any) analysis, then wtf are they "commenting" on when they're talking about a game of strategy?
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:00 PM   #4207
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I think these are all pretty obvious:

1) He's without a doubt cheating (This dude dumps KK pre-flop on a 5-bet $1.3k raise, but will call on a 54o on a 5-bet $3.4k raise).

2) There is a device in his hat (most likely the bone conduction device). This clip shows it the best. You can almost see the device and him pressing against his head and then playing it off like he's talking to the guy next to him: https://youtu.be/Eg34YTF-meA?t=14898

3) He has an inside man. He is not intercepting the RFID signal.


Not as obvious, but I think is true:

1) There are multiple people working with him or at least know about the scam and are being cut in. Justin is the most likely co-conspirator, but I wouldn't doubt there is a graphics person in on it as well and also some of the commentators. Some of the commentators are waaaaay to uncritical and jokey about a lot of obviously suspicious play.
I agree some of the commentators are in on it

They also totally brand this guy, they have meme's about him
Even on the stream they feature his twitter handle.

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Old 10-05-2019, 08:00 PM   #4208
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How do we know this ? How do we know its they are not doing it live and just delay stream it to the public?
Because occasionally the players will go into the booth near the end of the stream and commentate on the hands they played. They appear both in the booth and on the table at the same time.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:02 PM   #4209
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Actually, more like laws. The basic laws of mathematics which seems to be the language that the entire universe operates on. The specific laws that are being violated by this win rate can best be understood by attending a 600 level University mathematics course in Probability and Statistics. You'll probably want to take a few basic and intermediate mathematical courses first to get the full benefit.
I think just an entry level college statistics course would suffice. Actually, a 20 minute youtube video or a little bit of googling would work too. This isn't rocket science.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:03 PM   #4210
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I've taken this course. Have you?
Yes. I got an A. At the time I was making a good income counting cards in blackjack so stuff like standard deviations and the like I had already learned myself the hard way going studying mathematical blackjack literature. My professor told me I seemed to have a "natural talent" when it came to probabilities. lol

So if a person wins the powerball jackpot lottery (5 numbers from 1 to 69 plus 1 number from 1 to 26) seven times in a row, does one really require further proof that some kind of cheating has occurred?

If the answer is Yes then I want you on my jury if I ever commit some kind of terrible crime.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:03 PM   #4211
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Don't count on anything regarding the Stones investigation.

The chief investigator is an attorney who has previously worked for Stones owners.

The goal at this point is to "prove" to the general public that a thorough investigation was done by qualified individuals, and that the investigation cleared all parties.

The initial "investigation" (if one was done at all) was probably conducted by people like Justin, and obviously would not be judged credible by any outsiders with an IQ above room temperature.

The current investigation features a leader with significant credentials (former leader of fraud investigations for one of the US Attorneys offices, among other things). He will put together a "team" of other seemingly qualified people, and probably intentionally look at all the wrong things (the general security of the setup from hacking, rather than a serious look at Mike's play and the streams themselves).

When the setup is declared hacker-proof, this will be shared with the public, and we will see a list of all of the highly qualified techies and others involved with investigating, which should satisfy the general public and/or media. It could also be useful later in court, when they defend the civil lawsuit which Mac Verstandig plans to lead against Stones.

Completely absent from the investigation will likely be anything regarding the highly improbably successful strategies Mike employed, the obvious variance in style and demeanor versus cheating/non-cheating sessions, the presence/absence of people like Justin and Taylor, the bulgy hat, the looking down at the crotch, and the other suspicious factors discussed here.

It's likely that the investigation's goal will be to clear Postle and Stones of any wrongdoing, rather than really get to the bottom of this.

And why?

Because Stones will suffer big time from any self-revelation of malfeasance. They will be open to all kinds of negligence lawsuits (or worse), and their reputation will be irreparably harmed. This will be true whether they blame it all on Mike, or whether they blame it on Mike and one or two rogue employees.

By a very wide margin, they escape from this the cleanest if this is found to be an unsubstantiated accusation.

If they were really interested in finding something, they would hire someone truly independent, rather than an attorney previously associated with them.

If you'd like a comparison, recall the Penn State molestation situation. Though Joe Paterno and other top figures at the school realized that Jerry Sandusky had been molesting young boys on the premises, they did all they could to squash the allegations and cover it up. Why? Because they felt the Penn State football program would suffer immensely if this ever got out, so they chose the school's reputation over justice for the young victims.

Pretty much the same thing here.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:06 PM   #4212
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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How do we know this ? How do we know its they are not doing it live and just delay stream it to the public?
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Because occasionally the players will go into the booth near the end of the stream and commentate on the hands they played. They appear both in the booth and on the table at the same time.
This, and also because the commentators will respond to stream chat in real time, which wouldn't be possible if it was delayed after commentary.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:07 PM   #4213
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Yes. I got an A. At the time I was making a good income counting cards in blackjack so stuff like standard deviations and the like I had already learned myself the hard way going studying mathematical blackjack literature. My professor told me I seemed to have a "natural talent" when it came to probabilities. lol

So if a person wins the powerball jackpot lottery (5 numbers from 1 to 69 plus 1 number from 1 to 26) seven times in a row, does one really require further proof that some kind of cheating has occurred?

If the answer is Yes then I want you on my jury if I ever commit some kind of terrible crime.
Where are your samples of live win rates from?
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:08 PM   #4214
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Kilowatt is correct. Justin and production staff on stream will lose their jobs and that'll basically be all the repercussions that will come from this.

Even Mike Postle could just stop wearing a hat and play anywhere outside of Northern california without being recognised.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:08 PM   #4215
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Lets assume stones investigates and clears him. Wouldn't the only thing to do is completely boycott the room until they make this right? I know everyones tried boycott venetian because of adellson but everyone reg in that room has to feel for victims and realize it could have been them. There cant be a single player who plays in that room who hasn't heard about this yet.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:09 PM   #4216
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whats up with Harlan being in alot of these hands. do you think he is a shill and in on the take just to bloat the pots, gets his money back at the end of the night? how can Harlan day in and day out watch this guy dominate. we see ppl fold out any hands mike is part of because of suspicion or scared...
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:10 PM   #4217
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We need an insider to post itt like we had with the UB empolyee during the UB scandal
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:11 PM   #4218
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Everyone ready for Mikes big exclusive part 2 tonight??! Part 1 was so riveting and Mike’s research and preparation were top notch. I felt really satisfied with Postle’s explanations, especially when he talks about what a lifetime crusher he is and assured us he’s 100,000% innocent. Mike reminds me of a young Barbara Walters and Postle is clearly innocent, and being framed by haters.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:13 PM   #4219
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Everyone ready for Mikes big exclusive part 2 tonight??! Part 1 was so riveting and Mike’s research and preparation were top notch. I felt really satisfied with Postle’s explanations, especially when he talks about what a lifetime crusher he is and assured us he’s 100,000% innocent. Mike reminds me of a young Barbara Walters and Postle is clearly innocent, and being framed by haters.
haters and the left wing media
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:13 PM   #4220
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Pretty sure the good ones (commentators/color/announcers etc.) can do both. They're not mutually exclusive ffs. If they aren't (doing any) analysis, then wtf are they "commenting" on when they're talking about a game of strategy?
They certainly aren't picking apart a guy's play to determine whether he's cheating or not. I'm pretty sure they have lots of responsibilities like making the stream interesting and exciting to the viewer, describing the action, discussing the outs and discussing possible lines a player can take, discussing chip counts and how players are doing, plus they are doing this while interacting with chat.

When a UFC commentator is asked how they score a round they often qualify their answer saying they are not actively scoring a round. The human mind can only process so much information at one time and there is a lot more work that goes into commentating than just rambling nonsensically.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:14 PM   #4221
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random thought: Postle should go on 'Penn & Teller: Fool Us'
Haha. I mean, why not? Magicians, usually "mentalists", have used bone conductive tech for their tricks, which Penn has even referenced in very unsubtle code.

(p.s. tiny magic rant: mentalism is the absolute lowest form of "magic" in the world once you know the techniques. If you're using mentalism as a supplement to actual magic skill to enhance the act then fine, but I can't believe they allow pure mentalist acts that don't incorporate an iota of talent/sleight of hand/etc.)
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:15 PM   #4222
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Gentlemen can we quell the bickering and dick measuring about math superiority and please stay focused on the obvious cheating and who, if anyone was working with Mike
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:15 PM   #4223
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Alright i just sent a bunch of time going through the first day or 2 of posts because it was clear mike knew about the thread and anyone whos dumb enough to do interviews with anyone let alone mike the mouth had to be in here. Id bet pretty good money "Maxeth" is Mike. First few posts are just defending him hard then when it was clear that everyone on here knows he cheating he is pushing a narrative for one reason or another.
lol that guy was very sus, definitely seemed to have an agenda. either it was mike or a close friend of his for sure. a "network security engineer" who says Stones setup was invulnerable. i responded that no system is invulnerable and mentioned social hacking but he never responded lol. what network security engineer would ever say something is invulnerable or impossible to breach? pretty much every system is vulnerable except mb the blockchain.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:18 PM   #4224
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Surprised there has yet to be a Mike and Mike photoshop.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:18 PM   #4225
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Id be super interested to know the timeline of how all this came together, like whos idea was It, who invited who into the scheme and where the idea came from. Did someone [if anyone] on the inside suggest it first, was there any mock trials to see if it worked, could our [alleged] cheating friend come up with this himself or did he need a tech guy to help him along. You don't rob a bank without watching the bank first, so I wonder what preparation went into this. Probably impossible to answer but if someone could find an early attempt or even a failed attempt then you might have a smoking gun.
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