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Old 10-05-2019, 07:12 PM   #4176
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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IMO simply quoting his alleged winrate according to him mixed with his VPIP over a sample of 277 hours is not proof of cheating by itself.
IMO when your winrate violates basic rules of reality it can be used as proof of cheating.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:12 PM   #4177
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Green Mile - thank you for posting up.

I am curious - obviously every one in the room knows about these cheating allegations. Are games still running while this is being investigated? Is it business as usual? There is obviously the possibility others are cheating based on how fast and loose it seems they operate there. Is there no concern for that?

I would love to hear a regs thoughts on the whole scene if you dont mind

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I would say the only thing that has changed around town at this point is the topic of discussion the table. For a couple of days Stones was pretty dead but that’s not unusual for them midweek. Business picked up as they had a 100k guarantee tourney of some sort yesterday. JFK was not present. A lot of people really love the stones room and they have genuinely likable dealers and some floors and other employees that many people still want to support despite a lot of unease about even being in the room I think. I would guess other rooms had a slight uptick in traffic this week.

There are still non believers or agnostics in our midst but they seem to lessen by the day. I would say the overall feel is still that this is absolutely surreal.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:13 PM   #4178
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Its so obvious he has headphones under that hat with a bulge coming out at that angle
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:16 PM   #4179
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My main point is that if you watch Postle play framed as "this guy is a Garrett Adelstein style soul reader" vs watch him play as "this guy is cheating and knows hole cards" it's going to greatly color your perspective. Most of us did the latter and there's huge hindsight bias. Add in the fact that sometime he wasn't a superuser, and add in the fact that commentators said things like "it's like his opponents are playing face up" which they probably wouldn't say if they were insiders, and the fact that accusing a player of cheating is a big deal and you could face a lot of blowback, and I just think people are applying hindsight bias to the commentators.
I agree with this. Nobody was really analyzing his play. People either thought he was an amazing player or he was sun running and probably didn't think too much about it because who in the hell would have the balls to cheat on a live stream of all places?

It seems the commentating teams changed quite often, but if there was a particular commentator on many broadcasts perhaps he/she probably should have realized something was up. That being said, the commentator is busy commentating, not analyzing. It's the reason HBO boxing hired Harold Lederman to be the unofficial ringside scorekeeper because the actual boxing commentators can't possibly score a fight properly because they are busy commentating.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:17 PM   #4180
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So she should give money back because she acted with integrity? No, that is not how it works. How it is going to work is that the players who lost money are going to get it refunded by Postle and Stones after the lawsuits are settled. So then you are saying that Postle and the Casino should then go after Angry Polak to get their tips back??? No, that is not how it works either. It's like saying that he should go after the cocktail waitresses he tipped that were serving the game he was cheating on. naw son, now ya trippin!
Tips WTF are you talking about? Who said anything about going after tips?! It is actually tilting how dumb you are. You couldn't take one second to actually see what I was talking about in earlier posts. I don't even know how you could come to this conclusion, smh

this is about the post containing "Whistleblower gets 30% of recovered taxes + fines" saying that Veronica could receive money for whistleblowing.

i think im on a short fuse with idiots today bc Matusow completely emptied my patience for dumbasses
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:17 PM   #4181
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I would say the only thing that has changed around town at this point is the topic of discussion the table. For a couple of days Stones was pretty dead but that’s not unusual for them midweek. Business picked up as they had a 100k guarantee tourney of some sort yesterday. JFK was not present. A lot of people really love the stones room and they have genuinely likable dealers and some floors and other employees that many people still want to support despite a lot of unease about even being in the room I think. I would guess other rooms had a slight uptick in traffic this week.

There are still non believers or agnostics in our midst but they seem to lessen by the day. I would say the overall feel is still that this is absolutely surreal.
Not sure how much time you've spent but curious how much out of ordinary activity you are seeing. Have you seen any police in uniform in there? I would feel like gaming or someone else would have to be investigating already. There would have to be a small group 2-4 people talking to whoevers in charge being taken around the room. Also wondering if you have seen anyone from the media there either doing video or asking people questions. I feel like this story is just about to blow up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/05/chea...med-games.html
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:20 PM   #4182
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I am a software engineer and the greatest security vulnerability is ALWAYS, ALWAYS the human factor and social engineering.

I understand people are having fun getting creative and wanting to dig deep into clever trojan horses, secret RFID readers and decks etc etc but the bottom line is if anyone in the booth wanted to get the info to Postle it would be extremely trivial. So, I strongly feel that while we can't totally rule out crazy hackers doing advanced tech, it's a pretty silly route to go down until they establish who had access to the non-delayed stream, who they were accountable to, and what measures were in place to ensure they couldn't communicate with players. Until there are good answers to these questions, all these advanced tech hacks are just goofy brainstorming sessions while the simplest, easiest explanation for the whole job is staring us right in the face and has not been disproven, at all.
Totally agree.

The fact that the streams seem to be separated by "obviously cheated" and "didn't cheat at all", it's most likely that this was more of an inside-man type of breach, rather than a super-hacker breach.

If Mike didn't need anyone else's help, he would have cheated at some point on every stream. There were some streams where he clearly didn't cheat once.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:20 PM   #4183
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Lemme know when your app is ready that can intercept RFID and accurately report the cards after a given amount of time.

How will it input the possible pairs to match? Will it screen scrape a 30 minute old stream to match the cards to the SNs that it read in real time, or will you manually input it also in real time?
The programming portion wouldn't take longer than a couple hours. The actual implementation might take a little longer.

It doesn't need to scrape anything. It assumes you're playing in the game. You input the cards manually on your phone from 5 fields two of them "Your cards:" & the other three "Flop cards:" Add a 6th field for either deck a or deck b if there's two decks.

Then you get a simple GUI that prints out likely cards from opponents.

Simplistic example: Like say you receive the 5h 3s in one hand and the next hand with that deck one of the opponents you're in a hand with has one of the two SNs. There's now a 50% likelihood one of his cards is the 5h; there's also a 50% one of his cards is the 3s.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:20 PM   #4184
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScOZSiKQANc

Someone commented: ''maybe hands on the hat is a signal that he needs information''

Then the guy from the commentary booth says some unreal things about the hand and mike folds.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:21 PM   #4185
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Haven’t seen any media there personally but I know two local media channels did stories out there in the last couple days. Doug Polk appeared in a Skype call or something with fox40 here in one of them. I have also heard that the DOJ was there yesterday at some point during the morning or afternoon.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:23 PM   #4186
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Mike wins 8k+ in this session (2667bb) in less than 4 hours playing 1/3 What a run
I was curious to see this happen. Doesnt appear he actually wins it all. He adds on some. He goes from 1.3k - >2.8k from add ons around 30-35 minutes in.

The rest looks like he wins, so 2.8k->9.5kish? 6.7k profit? Totally more reasonable.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:23 PM   #4187
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScOZSiKQANc

Someone commented: ''maybe hands on the hat is a signal that he needs information''

Then the guy from the commentary booth says some unreal things about the hand and mike folds.
Lol commentary is definitely on 30 minute delay so thats definitely not a thing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:25 PM   #4188
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IMO when your winrate violates basic rules of reality it can be used as proof of cheating.
What rule is it exactly violating?
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:26 PM   #4189
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Wow! This hand is incredible. Was this a float call on flop and he was planning on stealing on the turn? Its at 3:10:50

https://youtu.be/Y7qdxt2cTeM?t=11453
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:27 PM   #4190
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IMO when your winrate violates basic rules of reality it can be used as proof of cheating.
And that's fine when you are trying to personally determine for yourself if MP was cheating or not. Proof required to meet the burden of a successful criminal conviction is a whole other ball-game. MP's winrate can (and if this ever goes to trial should be) used as evidence, but it's merely one piece of evidence, one data point. There still needs to be additional data-points, in particular "the how." More hours of video showing high winrates is merely the same data point and expert statisticians/mathematicians explaining the near impossible odds is also repeating the same data point: it focuses on the results of cheating, not how the cheater actually cheated. You can't convict someone of murder just because you found a dead body: "of course it's murder, look at the dead body" is not proof enough to convict someone.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:32 PM   #4191
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Lol commentary is definitely on 30 minute delay so thats definitely not a thing.
How do we know this ? How do we know its they are not doing it live and just delay stream it to the public?
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:32 PM   #4192
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Guys he was able to keep cheating because he mixed in some streams of him not super using. He thought if he could mix in some streams/sessions of no superusing he would continue to fly under the radar. Thats why he took over a month off of superusing, (well also because he could start to feel some pressure from veronica, etc, and the initial investigation). His fault was in the streams he was superusing he never backed down. He never made mistakes, he was a god. His ego and delusion told him im not even gonna try to hide it because i can just hide it by not cheating next stream. And that is what he would do, that is one reason why he justified to keep doing it.

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Old 10-05-2019, 07:34 PM   #4193
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Wow! This hand is incredible. Was this a float call on flop and he was planning on stealing on the turn? Its at 3:10:50

https://youtu.be/Y7qdxt2cTeM?t=11453
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Wow! This hand is incredible. Was this a float call on flop and he was planning on stealing on the turn? Its at 3:10:50

https://youtu.be/Y7qdxt2cTeM?t=11453

Nearly as incredible as the first time you posted it. This incredible hand has single-handedly tripled your post count here.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:35 PM   #4194
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Guys he was able to keep cheating because he mixed in some streams of him not super using. He thought if he could mix in some streams of no superusing he would continue to fly under the radar. Thats why he took over a month off of superusing, (well also because he could start to feel some pressure from veronica and the initial investigation). His fault was in the streams he was superusing he never backed down. He never made mistakes, he was a god. His ego or delusion told him im not even gonna try to hide it because i can just hide it by not cheating next stream. And that is what he would do, that is one reason why he justified to keep doing it.
Why then are there not super mega epic fail hands of him running 45o into AA or something like that ?
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:39 PM   #4195
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Why then are there not super mega epic fail hands of him running 45o into AA or something like that ?
What do you mean? That was a stream he superused in. When he doesnt super use he plays his normal style which is completely different than god mode streams. His whole body language is different, and that is why we dont see 45 into 2 ace kings. I think u miss understood what i said.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:40 PM   #4196
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Someone commented: ''maybe hands on the hat is a signal that he needs information''

Then the guy from the commentary booth says some unreal things about the hand and mike folds.
That's possible except that it would be the production booth that he would be signalliing to not the commentary booth.

They do the same thing on the prison reality show 60 Days In when they are scared someone might do something like stab them and they want to be pulled out of the pod. They'll either touch their head or put their hands behind their head or something like that (my avatar would be a good signal that "Hey guys, I'm about to get stabbed" or "Hey guys, does he really have my flush beat?")
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:42 PM   #4197
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What do you mean? That was a stream he superused in. When he doesnt super use he plays his normal style which is completely different than god mode streams. His whole body language is different, and that is why we dont see 45 into 2 ace kings. I think u miss understood what i said.
I see, yes I did.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:42 PM   #4198
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Have you seen any police in uniform in there? I would feel like gaming or someone else would have to be investigating already. There would have to be a small group 2-4 people talking to whoevers in charge being taken around the room.
I think it would be far more likely gaming investigators would be in a shirt and tie rather than some kind of uniform. And they don't need anyone to take them around the room, they can without any notice or warrant, visit any area of a licensed property and summarily seize any records or equipment they want.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:46 PM   #4199
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

random thought: Postle should go on 'Penn & Teller: Fool Us'
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:49 PM   #4200
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What rule is it exactly violating?
Actually, more like laws. The basic laws of mathematics which seems to be the language that the entire universe operates on. The specific laws that are being violated by this win rate can best be understood by attending a 600 level University mathematics course in Probability and Statistics. You'll probably want to take a few basic and intermediate mathematical courses first to get the full benefit.
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