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Old 10-05-2019, 06:21 PM   #4151
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

just occurred to me

during the 86to hand when the '' graphic error '' occurs

How unlikely are TWO CARDS to be read incorrectly?
How unlikely are the 2 malfunctioning cards being dealt to the same player?

can someone give me the odds of that?
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:26 PM   #4152
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You are speaking of Justin aka JFK. There is no Jason in the suspect list. There are 2 Justins. The other Justin just looks guilty but pretty sure he's in the booth quite often when Postle is in God Mode so the primary Justin suspect is JFK.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:32 PM   #4153
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I still think theres a chance his inside man isn't justin (you meant justin right not jason?) If you watch his interview with Mike he looks like hes totally fangirling. I think Mike may have just somehow got a trojan on justins computer he uses when streaming so he can relay the cards to himself or someone else. This would explain why when just was out of town he couldn't cheat because maybe a different laptop was being used. It would also explain how he was able to cheat with justin on property but not behind the scenes. Theres still a chance justin is a complete moron. Actually he definitely is. He either is in on it and didn't realize that they were making it insanely obvious to anyone with a brain or he isn't in on it and doesn't realize how impossible Mike was to be beating the game how he was.
Yes if you watch almost any documentary on a conman there is almost always some guy that should have known and seen the obvious but gets totally conned. Maybe Justin is that guy. However it is pretty unbelievable that multiple people would raise concerns and he either didn't investigate or did a terrible investigation.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:33 PM   #4154
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Yours? Even if we assume the reader can't distinguish your individual cards you're getting 2 sn per hand that have to be one card or the other. You're also getting 1/3 chance of a certain card being a certain sn every flop on 3 other sns. Writing a app that automatically calculated probability of certain sn to certain cards and allows you to input a few cards each round you choose to input them is not rocket science. It's certainly not adding much to the complexity by adding the ability to select from two decks.

Anyone who can get the RFID serial numbers(especially static ones) of cards could have a huge edge with limited effort.
Lemme know when your app is ready that can intercept RFID and accurately report the cards after a given amount of time.

How will it input the possible pairs to match? Will it screen scrape a 30 minute old stream to match the cards to the SNs that it read in real time, or will you manually input it also in real time?
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:38 PM   #4155
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how about the blonde girl asking JFK about routers? and him saying he worked for microsoft?
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:39 PM   #4156
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Yes if you watch almost any documentary on a conman there is almost always some guy that should have known and seen the obvious but gets totally conned. Maybe Justin is that guy. However it is pretty unbelievable that multiple people would raise concerns and he either didn't investigate or did a terrible investigation.
The extent to which JFK aggressively dismissed allegations makes it far, far more likely he was inside man then Postle secretly put a Trojan on his computer. Doing something like that is way more complicated than JFK, who repeatedly describes Postle as a close friend, just being in on it.

Even in the unlikely case JFK was not aware, I still think he should face serious repercussions. If you run a restaurants and employees and patrons repeatedly surface food safety issues, and you aggressively disregard them, and get a bunch of people sick, I don't see how being a huge moron is a good excuse. You had a job to keep people safe and your aggressive negligence got people hurt.

I have no idea why people are so suspicious of commentators. Obviously once Joey and Doug break down hand after hand, in hindsight all this suspicious behavior is obvious, but if I were a commentator I'd probably just give Postle credit for great soul reads too and if I was suspicious I would privately surface it to JFK after the fact rather than make a huge, damaging allegation on the livestream.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:42 PM   #4157
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Old 10-05-2019, 06:42 PM   #4158
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How unlikely are TWO CARDS to be read incorrectly?
How unlikely are the 2 malfunctioning cards being dealt to the same player?
Unless someone here has actually used the software or knows how it's built we can't say. It's possible it's not actually misreading the cards on the scanner but instead still showing the player's previous holdings. Or it might have picked up another player's cards when they were pitched. It's possible the guy in the booth was alerted by the software that the cards currently on the scanner didn't match the graphic and that's why they were changed.

Do we know what his cards were the previous hand? What about his neighbors?

I'm not convinced the 86 thing is the smoking gun some people think it is.

Someone needs to get into that computer. There should be access logs showing who viewed the hole cards. That would tell us whether the booth guy was the only one with the info or if there was someone doing it remotely.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:44 PM   #4159
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how about the blonde girl asking JFK about routers? and him saying he worked for microsoft?
Didn't know Microsoft hired people with an iq below 70
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:47 PM   #4160
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I have no idea why people are so suspicious of commentators. Obviously once Joey and Doug break down hand after hand, in hindsight all this suspicious behavior is obvious, but if I were a commentator I'd probably just give Postle credit for great soul reads too and if I was suspicious I would privately surface it to JFK after the fact rather than make a huge, damaging allegation on the livestream.
I feel like if any commentary with even tiny bit of poker knowledge watched 4-5 sessions it would raise some doubt. Look at the hand veronica questioned the qj to qt on j89. That hand wouldnt even be top 30 hand. How often did they rotate who was doing commentary. If it was an inside job they would want to rotate them out a ton.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:47 PM   #4161
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:49 PM   #4162
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:52 PM   #4163
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXGr92uQGU&t=265m20s

This hand is my favorite one. Watch Postle on the turn. He makes top two and the preflop three-bettor bets into him for the 2nd time. Dream spot to get value from AA/KK, but not for Postle! He has his palms up for the sigh call before he even sees the sizing.
I’m a Sac regular. Grunching the last several pages so sorry if repetitive info here.

I would just like to point out that the other player in this pot was certain he was cheating after this session. I feel ****ing awful because while we had been discussing around here for at least a few weeks at that point I believe, I was skeptical because I couldn’t imagine how he could be doing it and didn’t want to believe it obviously, even though we all had seen or heard about insane hands in a vacuum. I also found the stream nearly unwatchable so I seldom if ever watched an entire Postle session. Anyhow, I was likely a contributing factor in him backing off that belief a bit.

This was one the times Justin was alerted that Postle appeared to be cheating and is a big part of why the infamous interview would occur to explain his thought process the following week.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:52 PM   #4164
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Yawn. Only about twice his overall win rate. Not even statistically significant.

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Old 10-05-2019, 06:54 PM   #4165
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I feel like if any commentary with even tiny bit of poker knowledge watched 4-5 sessions it would raise some doubt. Look at the hand veronica questioned the qj to qt on j89. That hand wouldnt even be top 30 hand. How often did they rotate who was doing commentary. If it was an inside job they would want to rotate them out a ton.
My main point is that if you watch Postle play framed as "this guy is a Garrett Adelstein style soul reader" vs watch him play as "this guy is cheating and knows hole cards" it's going to greatly color your perspective. Most of us did the latter and there's huge hindsight bias. Add in the fact that sometime he wasn't a superuser, and add in the fact that commentators said things like "it's like his opponents are playing face up" which they probably wouldn't say if they were insiders, and the fact that accusing a player of cheating is a big deal and you could face a lot of blowback, and I just think people are applying hindsight bias to the commentators.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:55 PM   #4166
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Unless someone here has actually used the software or knows how it's built we can't say. It's possible it's not actually misreading the cards on the scanner but instead still showing the player's previous holdings. Or it might have picked up another player's cards when they were pitched. It's possible the guy in the booth was alerted by the software that the cards currently on the scanner didn't match the graphic and that's why they were changed.
Do we know what his cards were the previous hand? What about his neighbors?
I'm not convinced the 86 thing is the smoking gun some people think it is.
I'm not convinced the 86o into 98ss is a smoking gun, but ITT I posted another hand where someone's cards were shown as AA instead of T9ss for several minutes. In that spot, the AA was a "persistency error", as Mark had had AA on the previous hand, and his new cards weren't picked up until showdown.
With Mike's 86o, he had T7o in the previous hand, but there was a minor glitch that made his neighbour's cards not show up immediately. (It was QJ, and I didn't see the 86 or T9s in anyone else's positions.)
People have said that seat 2 was particularly prone to RFID errors. There are several random glitches if you look at multiple streams. I can't work out why 86o would turn into T9ss though, without some kind of manual override.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:56 PM   #4167
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Lemme know when your app is ready that can intercept RFID and accurately report the cards after a given amount of time.

How will it input the possible pairs to match? Will it screen scrape a 30 minute old stream to match the cards to the SNs that it read in real time, or will you manually input it also in real time?
Can a software engineer chime in here and explain how the desktop application that consumes RFID data from the table and updates graphics for the video might be currently programmed and where you might expect some vulnerabilities?
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:01 PM   #4168
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200bb/100 for 5500 hands.

Nah, he didn't win big pots with nuts vs 2nd nuts. He was in pots he had no business being in, playing as if he was against a specific hand and not a range, over and over and over for 277 hours straight. And while folding 2nd nuts to nuts over and over and over.

Honestly anyone that thinks these results are possible has never used a poker tracking program before. You can't be that loose and correct every time, it's not how reality or statistics work.
What you're saying here is completely different from your last post. I've already said in many posts I believe he is cheating in some way.

IMO simply quoting his alleged winrate according to him mixed with his VPIP over a sample of 277 hours is not proof of cheating by itself.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:01 PM   #4169
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My main point is that if you watch Postle play framed as "this guy is a Garrett Adelstein style soul reader" vs watch him play as "this guy is cheating and knows hole cards" it's going to greatly color your perspective. Most of us did the latter and there's huge hindsight bias. Add in the fact that sometime he wasn't a superuser, and add in the fact that commentators said things like "it's like his opponents are playing face up" which they probably wouldn't say if they were insiders, and the fact that accusing a player of cheating is a big deal and you could face a lot of blowback, and I just think people are applying hindsight bias to the commentators.
I guess if i was doing commentary i would just assume its not possible to be cheating in the first place. What i am wondering is a few of the commentary say things like "its like he can see their cards." If this was an inside job i don't think the commentary is in on it. However wouldn't Justin be the one in charge of whos doing the commentary on each stream? He could certainly push players out of the rotation if they are starting to question things and also make sure noones on too many streams in a row where they would get skeptical. Lets say you did 5 streams over 1 month. You may see some stuff but just assume he loses off stream. I would doubt anyone would watch the ones they aren't commentary on. Hell literally noone watched this stream in the first place.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:02 PM   #4170
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I’m a Sac regular. Grunching the last several pages so sorry if repetitive info here.

I would just like to point out that the other player in this pot was certain he was cheating after this session. I feel ****ing awful because while we had been discussing around here for at least a few weeks at that point I believe, I was skeptical because I couldn’t imagine how he could be doing it and didn’t want to believe it obviously, even though we all had seen or heard about insane hands in a vacuum. I also found the stream nearly unwatchable so I seldom if ever watched an entire Postle session. Anyhow, I was likely a contributing factor in him backing off that belief a bit.

This was one the times Justin was alerted that Postle appeared to be cheating and is a big part of why the infamous interview would occur to explain his thought process the following week.
Green Mile - thank you for posting up.

I am curious - obviously every one in the room knows about these cheating allegations. Are games still running while this is being investigated? Is it business as usual? There is obviously the possibility others are cheating based on how fast and loose it seems they operate there. Is there no concern for that?

I would love to hear a regs thoughts on the whole scene if you dont mind

thank you
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:03 PM   #4171
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My main point is that if you watch Postle play framed as "this guy is a Garrett Adelstein style soul reader" vs watch him play as "this guy is cheating and knows hole cards" it's going to greatly color your perspective. Most of us did the latter and there's huge hindsight bias. Add in the fact that sometime he wasn't a superuser, and add in the fact that commentators said things like "it's like his opponents are playing face up" which they probably wouldn't say if they were insiders, and the fact that accusing a player of cheating is a big deal and you could face a lot of blowback, and I just think people are applying hindsight bias to the commentators.
Hindsight bias LOL. The commentators are unadulterated fool imbeciles and your comment is worse.

The whole production is a caricature of poker and Garrett has never been shown to play this poorly in endless spots. That juxtaposition is ludacris.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:04 PM   #4172
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Can a software engineer chime in here and explain how the desktop application that consumes RFID data from the table and updates graphics for the video might be currently programmed and where you might expect some vulnerabilities?
I am a software engineer and the greatest security vulnerability is ALWAYS, ALWAYS the human factor and social engineering.

I understand people are having fun getting creative and wanting to dig deep into clever trojan horses, secret RFID readers and decks etc etc but the bottom line is if anyone in the booth wanted to get the info to Postle it would be extremely trivial. So, I strongly feel that while we can't totally rule out crazy hackers doing advanced tech, it's a pretty silly route to go down until they establish who had access to the non-delayed stream, who they were accountable to, and what measures were in place to ensure they couldn't communicate with players. Until there are good answers to these questions, all these advanced tech hacks are just goofy brainstorming sessions while the simplest, easiest explanation for the whole job is staring us right in the face and has not been disproven, at all.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:05 PM   #4173
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:10 PM   #4174
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Can a software engineer chime in here and explain how the desktop application that consumes RFID data from the table and updates graphics for the video might be currently programmed and where you might expect some vulnerabilities?
I don't think its the software - they guarentee 100% accuracy and if it was really bad it wouldn't be used so much. So its either hardware - ie the table, or the cards themselves if I had to guess.

From the PokerGFX manual:

RFID Technology
• Operates with an RFID enabled table or a conventional hole cam table
• Guaranteed 100% accurate read rate of all cards on the table < 0.7 secs
(Omaha), < 0.4 secs (Hold’Em)
• Connection via USB, WIFI or both (auto failover to WIFI if the USB cable is
unplugged)
• Strong encryption protects link between Reader Module and PokerGFX
• Hole cards can be stacked in any orientation
• No additional thickness added to table
• Standard or double size hole card reading area for each player
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:10 PM   #4175
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who who whowww hold on there its just that THE GRAPHICS ARE WRONG xD
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