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Old 10-05-2019, 05:44 PM   #4126
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Yeah I don't even want to hear him dumb explain his hands. IDC. He himself gave numbers of basically 200bb/100 for 277 hours. That's it. That right there proves he's cheating. Unequivocally.

One of the dumbest things I've ever heard a poker player say honestly. Let alone one that is being accused of cheating lol.
Disagree. 277 hours in a live game setting(which is like 5500 hands) at 200 bb/100 isn't outside the realm of possibility especially for a good player running hot in a really weak game that typically plays much bigger(watch one episode of that streamed 1/3 game and you'll see what I mean).
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:44 PM   #4127
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Someone else (not implicated in cheating - I think his name is Lance)
Yes, Lance is the Exec Producer. Having watched that video of the staff just linked, I didn't realise there were five techs listed too. I wonder how many of them were working at any one time. Funnily enough, (at least) one of them is a WSOP dealer. Maybe they took a break to Vegas too.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:45 PM   #4128
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That stream is really bizarre. I mentioned it about 1500 posts ago, when I pretty much accused Taylor of being the main accomplice. Justin (and several other staff) were away, so Taylor was both commentating and being floorman for that stream. He kept going out to the floor as there were problems. He mentions being overworked and being very tired. Someone else (not implicated in cheating - I think his name is Lance) was in control of the broadcast. Postle doesn't cheat in that session. He doesn't even wear a hat.
Postle mostly cheats when Taylor is in the building, but not in the commentary booth.
And phone often on the rail during hands whaddya know! The phone is literally never on the rail during hands in god-mode sessions.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:45 PM   #4129
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https://youtu.be/09jdsX8vkMI?t=6951

First time he has ever bought a new car.

What did he do with his millions from online poker? By his own admission, rolling in cash pre-2010 from crushing online ... but he never bought a new car ... until just recently.
This is a strawman. Plenty of rich people drive mediocre / used cars. Not everyone has the same materialistic desires.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:49 PM   #4130
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Haven't been railing this thread that closely the last 2 days, but wanted to throw this out there:

I played a session on the Stream on 6/17 of this year. Postle showed up a little late and sat directly on my left, and I remember thinking "ah ****".

But as the night went on, he was noticeably low-energy. I remember he even said that it was because he'd recently stopped drinking, but then later in the night he had a few drinks. He's less gregarious, talkative, etc, it was obvious at the time and you can tell on the stream too.

*He sat in Seat 6, in the middle of the table, instead of Seat 2.
*He wore his hat backwards.
*He did have his keys on the rail.
*He kept both hands above the rail most of the time

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Anyway - there are clear some hand examples of him not super-using in this session - the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajF2_mLyts

(17:00) He doesn't bet top pair with 10-7s on a 7-4-3 flop - which is the best hand in a multi-way pot

(1:30:00) He gets involved in a pot with his old friend DBL-L (or Rich, on other streams), and just calls a big bet on the river with QQ vs 10-8 on a 6-3-2-8-3 board instead of value-raising.

(1:44:30) He pays off DBL-R with a turned 2-pair, when DBL-R had flopped a flush

(2:03:30) He folds the best hand in a multi-way pot when there's a bet and a raise in front of him

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If any sleuths wanna look through this one more, or include it in the God-mode/non-God-mode timeline, please do.

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Old 10-05-2019, 05:57 PM   #4131
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I think he needs to be punished harder than this:
In the full video of this "slap hand"...Just after slapping Mike she walks around to the other side of his chair and grabs a small stack of green $25 chips off Mike's stack. Just the way she casually does it and her seeming lack of communication about taking them w/ Mike seemed strange.

Am I missing something here? Just curious.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:58 PM   #4132
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

For sure he had help from the inside, StonesLive for sure.
Why? To grow the brand. Become something big like LiveAtTheBike
How do you do that ? Have a crazy player in the mix who crushes souls.
They make memes all over the place etc

I believe this is part of the scam, to get the room more publicity.
Because if its only money you can just play decently regularly and superuse in a normalish way, none of the 45o crap etc

They did not do that. Either because they are very stupid, or because they also wanted more publicity for the room. Imo. Well yeah either case they are very stupid because this is very very obvious.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:59 PM   #4133
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Also ive spent a ton of time in casinos. Aren't there cameras everywhere?
My understanding is, no.

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Shouldn't they have clear video and possible audio of every square inch of pokeroom
We may have different definitions of "clear." Is this clear? https://youtu.be/WQAdsE4KQJA?t=12

For what purpose would a casino have to spend a lot of money on video/audio recording in a poker room? I think it's very reasonable to expect that most casinos will just do the bare minimum, which I believe would be video recording from directly above the table to ensure the game is being run properly (sometimes disputes arise) and to ensure nobody is stealing the house's money. Anything above and beyond that would be a waste of money, IMO.

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This friend could be for someone for Mike to purposely lose some pots to (someone people did hero mike super light) because maybe he may have thought hey i gotta lose some hands.
He doesn't lose pots. It would be worth the time to investigate if any other big winners in the game have been on God mode though. Also, if his brother has played in the game previous to this coming to light it would definitely be worth investigating his play.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:00 PM   #4134
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Disagree. 277 hours in a live game setting(which is like 5500 hands) at 200 bb/100 isn't outside the realm of possibility especially for a good player running hot in a really weak game that typically plays much bigger(watch one episode of that streamed 1/3 game and you'll see what I mean).
200bb/100 for 5500 hands.

Nah, he didn't win big pots with nuts vs 2nd nuts. He was in pots he had no business being in, playing as if he was against a specific hand and not a range, over and over and over for 277 hours straight. And while folding 2nd nuts to nuts over and over and over.

Honestly anyone that thinks these results are possible has never used a poker tracking program before. You can't be that loose and correct every time, it's not how reality or statistics work.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:01 PM   #4135
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Yeah something is there.....
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:03 PM   #4136
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Has Anyone Seen This???

Very under the radar stream.(PLO Stream)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_LQKh0Yfg

3:23:30

Justin gives up his seat at the table to allow "Jesus Postle" mike to play(I dont think i have ever seen them both play together at the same time) He also explains how he is giving Mike his own show?!?!?!!?! Justin also likes to boast how anyone who plays in the game with mike is a "Dumb ass".


3:29:00

Mike gets dealt his first hand of the night(Bomb pot)
They continue to play for one hour until the night ends with mike now in the lineup. (Plenty of jesus memes in this stream btw)

Shortly after mike enters the lineup we notice his keys are in fact on the table. Timestamp 3:36:20
I dont know for sure if he is in fact cheating during this stream but the way he is acting is very suspicious somebody should look into this.
I watched all of the hour. Definitely not cheating in this stream. He has the perfect spot to bluff otr in a hand that starts at 4:07:00. At 4:11:00 begins a hand where he 3-bets and c-bets KKQ9ddcc on A86ss into 975xss and another hand.

Another hand that just shows he's not god moding and how bad he is at PLO:
he flats Q542ccxx in BB. Bets 834cc and gets a caller. Pot's $48 ott. Turn's a 5x and he gets in $526 more against a range that should be destroying his hand (he's vs. a straight). Nobody with his winrate plays like this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:05 PM   #4137
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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My understanding is, no.



We may have different definitions of "clear." Is this clear? https://youtu.be/WQAdsE4KQJA?t=12

For what purpose would a casino have to spend a lot of money on video/audio recording in a poker room? I think it's very reasonable to expect that most casinos will just do the bare minimum, which I believe would be video recording from directly above the table to ensure the game is being run properly (sometimes disputes arise) and to ensure nobody is stealing the house's money. Anything above and beyond that would be a waste of money, IMO.



He doesn't lose pots. It would be worth the time to investigate if any other big winners in the game have been on God mode though. Also, if his brother has played in the game previous to this coming to light it would definitely be worth investigating his play.
Ive watched all of joeys streams. There are some pots he loses where they make a crazy hero call against him. All im saying is we still know nothing about this entire thing other than hes cheating. Theres a chance one of these pots he was heroed in was someone else in on it and done for optics. I get that the optics argument is lol when he plays every hand perfect, but clearly they cared enough to change the graphics on a few insane hands.

I just feel like anyone this cocky to pull this off at this win rate without ever dumping some back may eventually decide to bring a friend or 2 in to play.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:06 PM   #4138
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Am I missing something here? Just curious.
If I remember correctly, it was a jokey stream. She'd just paid off his flush with 9 high, and the commentators said something like "It's a good job she's not playing with real money."
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:06 PM   #4139
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Yeah something is there.....
Bone conduction audio
Jason is speaking to him the information
He's sitting behind a wall all day where people can't see him talking into a mic , from what i'm hearing so its pretty obvious how this scam go's
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:07 PM   #4140
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Disagree. 277 hours in a live game setting(which is like 5500 hands) at 200 bb/100 isn't outside the realm of possibility especially for a good player running hot in a really weak game that typically plays much bigger(watch one episode of that streamed 1/3 game and you'll see what I mean).
I'll let you math guys discuss how mathematically possible this is but I would just mention that what I've seen is primarily not a good player running hot but rather a totally unconventional player making amazing plays despite running cold. Whether he runs hot or cold, every single major decision he makes happens to be the exact play one would want to make if he knew all of his opponents hole cards and it doesn't matter if he is up against 1 opponent or 4.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:07 PM   #4141
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Yeah something is there.....
He could be using something like this:

https://www.maxvirtual.com/#!/Cynaps...134/category=0

Now note this is bluetooth. If he had a partner, whomever is right behind the wall next to him could have a phone there or just planted somewhere, and he is connecting to that phone. Then he wouldn't have 200 calls to his phone every game. He has to hit one of those buttons to answer/hangup calls which could be why he's touching his hat.

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Old 10-05-2019, 06:10 PM   #4142
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I'll let you math guys discuss how mathematically possible this is but I would just mention that what I've seen is primarily not a good player running hot but rather a totally unconventional player making amazing plays despite running cold. Whether he runs hot or cold, every single major decision he makes happens to be the exact play one would want to make if he knew all of his opponents hole cards and it doesn't matter if he is up against 1 opponent or 4.
Exactly. Even his explanation of his game, "it's all feel and diabolical" and WTF was he saying? What real poker player talks like that? Sounded like **** out of rounders, just seriously wtf was that?
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:13 PM   #4143
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mike twitter has a good pic of his keys
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:13 PM   #4144
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Haven't been railing this thread that closely the last 2 days, but wanted to throw this out there:

I played a session on the Stream on 6/17 of this year. Postle showed up a little late and sat directly on my left, and I remember thinking "ah ****".

But as the night went on, he was noticeably low-energy. I remember he even said that it was because he'd recently stopped drinking, but then later in the night he had a few drinks. He's less gregarious, talkative, etc, it was obvious at the time and you can tell on the stream too.

*He sat in Seat 6, in the middle of the table, instead of Seat 2.
*He wore his hat backwards.
*He did have his keys on the rail.
*He kept both hands above the rail most of the time

---------------------------

Anyway - there are clear some hand examples of him not super-using in this session - the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajF2_mLyts

(17:00) He doesn't bet top pair with 10-7s on a 7-4-3 flop - which is the best hand in a multi-way pot

(1:30:00) He gets involved in a pot with his old friend DBL-L (or Rich, on other streams), and just calls a big bet on the river with QQ vs 10-8 on a 6-3-2-8-3 board instead of value-raising.

(1:44:30) He pays off DBL-R with a turned 2-pair, when DBL-R had flopped a flush

(2:03:30) He folds the best hand in a multi-way pot when there's a bet and a raise in front of him

-----------------------

If any sleuths wanna look through this one more, or include it in the God-mode/non-God-mode timeline, please do.

also, cellphone above the table!

it's night and day when he is godmoding and when he isn't
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:14 PM   #4145
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Bone conduction audio
Jason is speaking to him the information
He's sitting behind a wall all day where people can't see him talking into a mic , from what i'm hearing so its pretty obvious how this scam go's
Definitely not always Jason (if at all): there's more than one instance where Jason is commentating while Mike is superusing. The same can't be said about Taylor however.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:17 PM   #4146
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Has Anyone Seen This???



Very under the radar stream.(PLO Stream)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_LQKh0Yfg



3:23:30



Justin gives up his seat at the table to allow "Jesus Postle" mike to play(I dont think i have ever seen them both play together at the same time) He also explains how he is giving Mike his own show?!?!?!!?! Justin also likes to boast how anyone who plays in the game with mike is a "Dumb ass".
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I was a reg at stones for a while and remember that Justin always gave up his seat when someone was waiting, regardless of who it was
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:18 PM   #4147
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justin is a shill
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:19 PM   #4148
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Maybe he isnt cheating in this stream but the keys are on the table and the hat obviously has the device inside the pic i posted of his hat is from this stream
I was responding to these from your post:

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I dont know for sure if he is in fact cheating during this stream
I was verifying he didn't.

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the way he is acting is very suspicious somebody should look into this.
This wasn't the case, either. He had his phone put away for a good chunk of it. For a couple of minutes he was proudly displaying that he was talking to someone on Messenger for seat 2 and the camera.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:20 PM   #4149
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Definitely not always Jason (if at all): there's more than one instance where Jason is commentating while Mike is superusing.
I still think theres a chance his inside man isn't justin (you meant justin right not jason?) If you watch his interview with Mike he looks like hes totally fangirling. I think Mike may have just somehow got a trojan on justins computer he uses when streaming so he can relay the cards to himself or someone else. This would explain why when just was out of town he couldn't cheat because maybe a different laptop was being used. It would also explain how he was able to cheat with justin on property but not behind the scenes. Theres still a chance justin is a complete moron. Actually he definitely is. He either is in on it and didn't realize that they were making it insanely obvious to anyone with a brain or he isn't in on it and doesn't realize how impossible Mike was to be beating the game how he was.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:21 PM   #4150
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Bone conduction audio
Jason is speaking to him the information
He's sitting behind a wall all day where people can't see him talking into a mic , from what i'm hearing so its pretty obvious how this scam go's
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Definitely not always Jason (if at all): there's more than one instance where Jason is commentating while Mike is superusing. The same can't be said about Taylor however.
You are speaking of Justin aka JFK. There is no Jason in the suspect list. There are 2 Justins. The other Justin just looks guilty but pretty sure he's in the booth quite often when Postle is in God Mode so the primary Justin suspect is JFK.
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